Er, so Adele must go or something?

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Or so people thought, seeing as she's now out and all.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

New 'is BB like the World Cup in that talk dies down when it's down to the last contestants?' answers.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I wish people would vote out that hideous piglizard monstrosity rippling inside BB's House...

Lek Dukagjin, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Just because Jabba the Hutt stays over at Bernard Butler's house, and you get all mad!

Ned Raggett, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I thought all the booing and that was really over the top.

jel --, Saturday, 6 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i am quite surprised

mark s, Saturday, 6 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

haha a "scam": viz viewers are ppl with minds and sly foresight not the pitiful tools of the betting trade and/or puppets of the tabs

this is like parliament in the 18th century, when there was great ideological hostility to the idea of "faction" - ie ppl deliberately banding together and voting in blocs for what they wanted (fopr wehatever sleazt reason) - as opposed to some abstract (and idiotic) ideal of the free independent vote multiplied by [however many mps there were]

mark s, Saturday, 6 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"...Jade has been served up as Ms Detestable. Brash, graceless and ignorant, she's all the things that middle England hates and fears from inner-city working-class Britain."

- Stuart Jeffries in the Guardian yesterday

Andrew L, Saturday, 6 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i'm intrigued also by the theory "they are voting for entertainment = they DON'T like jade" => the commentators have a tellingly naive idea of the, um, shadowy masses they choose to comment on

mark s, Saturday, 6 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Under the top.

Surely that's silly. Like entertainment = dislikes JADE. WTF? Just fully comprehended what that means. Who said that? Not corollaries!

david h(owie), Saturday, 6 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I liked Adele all along and was sorry to see her go. I noticed that pretty much everybody I knew either sort of liked her or was neutral and then suddenly went very hardcore ADELE MUST GO in the last couple of weeks. Why? "She's a manipulative bitch" "Yes but she's ALWAYS BEEN a manipulative bitch". I'm not even sure she was that evil.

According to one of the tabs the other day interviewing a 'source' the producers had decided to show her in a bad light and Jade in a good light because they want Jade in for as long as possible, she being the thing people are talking about.

Tom, Saturday, 6 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Jade is blatantly going to win. THE HORROR!

DG, Saturday, 6 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Dom Passantino, Saturday, 6 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I feel so vindicated now. Tom is right though, about her always having been manipulative.

Ronan, Saturday, 6 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I was firstXor to denounce here. Do I rule?

david h(owie), Saturday, 6 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ha! I think that was me you ragamuffin.

Ronan, Saturday, 6 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Adele was just kinda normal, her bitchiness never seemed that major to me. Though, I think Ronan was right about her never pulling her trousers up, I've seen enough top bit of thong to last a lifetime.

jel --, Saturday, 6 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

SHE CAST NO SHADOW!! ©trewarthacollins

mark s, Saturday, 6 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

just read the guardian article. I have thankfully missed most of the big brother rub as i am in canada (unfortunately I will not miss it all (well, it will be rammed down my throat when i get back) as I'm back on friday).

Julio Desouza, Saturday, 6 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Is Big Brother rub?

"Another thing which has been puzzling me, and I’m going to try not to be disparaging about it now (though past attempts have failed), is the continuing popularity of that ‘Big Brother’ show. When the first series arrived on our shores I decided not to watch it on principle (the principle being that it sounded like crap TV), and I didn’t bother watching any of it, avoided discussions about it and genuinely knew absolutely nothing about it. Same for the second series last year. But then as the hype for the new series rolled around, my interest was piqued – why did so many people not just like, but adore this show? Why were so many people (for want of a better word) addicted to it? So one evening I decided to watch – I wanted to try and focus solely on the show and prepared for it so I wouldn’t be unnecessarily distracted whilst it was on, collecting a few bags of salt and vinegar square crisps, a big glass of water and various cushions and stuff for comfort and settled down to watch. What followed was honestly one of the most dull experiences of my existence, and I’m including a nine month stint in a pitch-black womb in this estimation. Honestly, what on earth do people get out of watching? It’s voyeurism (though the extent to which information is withheld from viewers – they cut bits of dialogue deemed too risqué to broadcast etc does dampen said sense of voyeurism), which tells you that everyone is as boring as you – it’s like hacking someone’s email account only to find the same bits of spam and unwanted chain letters that’ve been lounging in your own account for months. The lives of the participants, the most minor nuances of their characters, their mundane troubles and everyday concerns are laid out in front of us, packaged as if they were entertainment, but in what sense is this entertainment? What does this tell us about humanity? The main complaint of the contestants is, according to my brother who watches the show a fair bit, boredom. Why would I want to watch people being bored? I can eavesdrop on more interesting conversations on the bus, just wandering through town, and then at least I only get fragments and I can fabricate a much more interesting background for the snippets of information I hear, but with Big Brother I get the whole thing, the beginning middle and end of the whole boring story without any room for imagination. And the contestants themselves seem deliberately chosen for their non threatening characteristics, all picked from the same, ugh, demographic to be attractive but vain, outgoing but inarticulate, flirtatious but uncommitted etc etc. The only reason my brother could give for his continual enjoyment of the show (for he has watched all the series’ I believe), is that it is ‘engrossing’. Gladly though, I myself was not engrossed and I don’t intend to watch again – the square crisps were nice though. Anyone who does watch and could enlighten me on the shows merits, about how it’s a fascinating social experiment or a conceptual art ‘happening or just why they find it entertaining would be more than welcome to email me with their views. Did I say I was going to try not to be disparaging?"

- Kieran Devaney

david h(owie) at The Cathedral of Prog, Saturday, 6 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Glad to hear that Adele has finally gone. I was out and missed the episode, but I'm not surprised to hear that she was booed, she was thoroughly unlikeable from the get-go.
How she thought she could win by being a malicious, moaning bitch is beyond me. Still, it means yet another week of Jade. Damn.

DavidM, Saturday, 6 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

PJ is a wet WUSS. PJ MUST GO!

Graham, Saturday, 6 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"If people want to boo that's fine. They are only being honest. I can hear them now and that's fine."

Apparently, she can mean that with a straight face....

And here I thought it was only a TV show. Silly me. It must have been a slow week on "Brookside", to get this kind of attention.

Nichole Graham, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

What is this thread about, then?

zebedee, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I only went off Adele in her exit interview, where she said she didn't like the way Jonny wanted to be friends with everyone; that preferring everyone to like you was 'a weakness'. Also, she was being a bit mean to her girlfriend with all this Alex-wuvving. No one on big brother seems to take their partners outside very seriously. Has the world changed or have I changed?

N., Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Well I think she meant that being desperate for everyone to like you is a weakness. Which it is surely? It means you are either insecure or too arrogant to deal with the idea that you aren't perfect. Anyway I felt a bit bad for her as she looked really dazed at all the booing but then to excuse her bitching & backstabbing as honesty was a bit much.

PJ didn't even know Adele had a girlfriend! Maybe the people in the house claiming to have partners outside don't really and are inventing them to fend off unwelcome advances from other housemates. Only it backfired on Adele when she developed a crush on Alex. On the other hand Tim's pathetic outburst about his girlfriend was truly nauseating and I hope she dumps him asap.

Emma, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Tim blubbing = buck up man and stop whinging, you knew the rules when you took the job.

PJ blubbing = REDEMPTION! And he now MUST STAY ahead of tedious Kate! Also according to OK magazine PJ is a genius!

Tom, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

PJ blubbing = REDEMPTION

BALLS! PJ MUST GO!

RickyT, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, PJ is dulldulldull. And a bit squat.

Jonnie, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Was there much booing at the eviction then?

Alan T, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

No, BALLS! to you! Horrible horrible mingy boring no personality Kate MUST GO! Genius PJ must stay! How many more times can Kate stare at herself? Also PJs lovely family actually convinced me they miss him (and that he genuinely loves them and misses them) whereas Kates family sounded like they were leaving a bored answerphone message: subplot: NEVER COME BACK YOU SILLY MARE.

Sarah, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

So much hate! I don't know where it comes from. (Don't ask me.) etc

Alan T, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

According to the Sun today, Tim told a racist joke and Kate told him to shut the fuck up - my heroine! PJ MUST GO!!!

Andrew L, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

PJ is alright! Kate is alright! Is this the most boring eviction choice ever? I don't care which one of them goes really.

Isn't it a bit suspect the way Big Brother just cancelled the nominations and gave them a bottle of wine to distract them a bit? I mean who exactly are they trying to keep in the house, Jade possibly? I'm not normally one for conspiracy theories but if this isn't the Annunaki then Box Car Willie isn't an interdimensional sasquatch.

Ronan, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

BB conspiracy theories = invasion of the 12 millimeter lizards

mark s, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Most annoying Tim thing of the weekend = him hiding booze under the mattress THEN being given the chance to own up by BB telling him to make sure ALL the booze was returned and going back to the housemates & acting all wounded innocence THEN claiming to BB that he hid it for them not him! Tim mate THERE ARE CAMERAS you are being watched. Blimey.

I did not trust the way the first reaction PJ had after crying was to say 'oh no the girls will be laughing at me'. I think he knows FULL WELL that women are supposed to love men being in touch with their emotions & crying and therefore not only is he a wuss but a manipulative wuss at that. Kate must stay. She makes me laugh (in a good way) also the GBP is always very sexualist in voting out BB people and I don't think it's a good idea to have Jade being the only girl.

Emma, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

(obviously the section of the GBP who votes on BB evictions is mostly female so perhaps sexualist is not the right word. Perhaps I mean bitchy. Anyway KATE MUST STAY and KATE MUST WIN and I retract all previous bitchy council estate comments)

Emma, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I agree. What if there was some kind of Day of the Triffids type disaster that only the Big Brother house survived. The world would have to be repopulated with little Jades! Much as I am (kind of) fond of her, this would not be a good thing for the human race.

N., Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Why do people bother voting properly (ie. not via x MUST GO threads on ILE) anyway? What a waste of money. Unless you're doing it from work, in which case you are a thief/helping to bring down international capitalism.

I am like Jonny in the being liked thing and I can't work out if it's because I am arrogant or insecure.

N., Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I am not sure if the prospect of a world populated by mini Kates as well as mini Jades is that much better but still.

Why would anyone want everyone to like them? What about people you really dislike, why on earth would you want them to like you and always be bugging you? The level of support for Jonny on Friday dismayed me. If he wins it will be a travesty of something or other.

Emma, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Now that you mention it, Kate has actually said a few funny things. I remember once when she was on poor side she did a Big Bro impersonation where she said something like "the rich house rush to drink their wine and eat their strawberries, meanwhile the poor house are left to delve into their porridge".

I'm not sure why this was funny but I thought so. I want Johnny to win, though for some reason Alex saying "that's a real man" when PJ was crying made me like him a bit more.

Yeah PJ saying "I'm a wuss" was a bit pathetic, I mean he's what age? I guess this is inconsistent with my support for his laddism in the past, but I can pick and choose as I please.

Ronan, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

johnny had become poetic

when pj blubbled i liked that alex said "that's the sign of a real man" and it was completely impossible to tell if he meant it or was sarcastic, or of what consequence it was either way anyway

i ph34r tim fucked up his Bold Revolt Against the Arrogant BB God by fatally mixing up wine-hiding and girlfwend-missing into one tearful-pouty diary-room performance

mark s, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I cannot understand all this Jonny must win stuff, I mean he is SO DULL, there is just nothing there. And he mings. I want Kate & her cellulite & her funny impressions to win.

Emma, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

kate has become quite funny i think

pj's blubbling was very laddish have-it-both-ways blubbling i feel

mark s, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i for one welcome our new mini-jade overlords

mark s, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Gosh Tim is a twat.

I'm glad someone agrees with me about the travesty of Jonny support. He's horrible and I can't stand a word he says.

I used to think Kate was boring and goofy looking, but she did something great to redeem herself though now I forget what.

Graham, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Would there also be Davina clones in your new utopia N>?

Graham, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Kate should win for excelling at the spinning-around-the-broom-handle- while-tipsy game.

Jonnie, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Johnny isn't that dull. He's a likeable fool. Also he is a very nice person, er not that that would usually swing the votes on Big Bro.

I thought Tim's performance was quite interesting, do you reckon Big Bro replied but didn't show it? It cut scenes and suddenly he was all "I understand big brothers viewpoint on this", did they hit him with the ray gun or something? I thought he had a point, Big Bro were thick to have people someone else knew in the film, someone really dropped the ball there.

Ronan, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes but WHY is Jonny likeable? What makes him likeable? I don't bloody like him so he can't be that bloody likeable. And NICE sucks.

Tim never has a point the fat-arsed ginger snotty twat.

Emma, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

well on saturday the others were saying tim was in there for more than an hour so unless it was all bilderberg details of how to shaft ordinary people the next g8 summit i imagine the argt went a bit more to-and-fro

mark s, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Having said that though yep Tim is a bit of a toolman indeed. I found Adele more annoying and I still find Jade annoying. Though there HAS been very little of her shown, leading to the claims of lizards and bilderbergers.

I think if I was English I might hate Tim more, it's harder to find prejudices about the people when you don't have a frame of reference so to speak. I remember lots of English people liking Anna back in the day, whereas anyone from Ireland, specifically Dublin had her down as a certain type of person which she may or may not have been, and hated her.

Ronan, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It's the FOOL bit that I don't like. If you're going to speak constantly, say something fucking intelligent.

Graham, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't hate Tim cos I'm English, I hate him because he is an insufferable cunt.

Emma, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Didn't Tim say something odd like "I need to know, it will confirm something I've been trying to work out", except in a much more cold calculating keeping-tabs-on-who-loves-him way?

Graham, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I guess I like him for being harmless and mildly amusing. He just sits about and doesn't bother to talk much. I mean you say you like Kate, Johnny is her male equivalent minus the 2 jokes she made in 44 days. At this point the only ones I actively dislike are Tim and Jade.

Ronan, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Bah prejudices might be the wrong word. It's just when he was being put into the house they made such a gargantuan effort to make everyone characterise him "LOOK HE'S POSH OK? OK? YOU DON'T LIKE HIM RIGHT? HE'S POSH" when in reality he's not that bloody posh. If he was he wouldn't be applying for Big Brother. I get the impression there was a distinct effort to make him into some kind of hate figure public school stereotype.

Yeah he is an idiot alright but I did feel sorry for him at first.

Ronan, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

(also I think the thing you say Graham may have been something to do with his fear of being dumped? Did he say something bout his girlfriend not liking the BB idea in the first place)

Ronan, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I could understand that Ronan, of course he's afraid of being dumped. He just said it in a really twattish egotistical way.

Graham, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Surely someone as irritating as Tim must live in constant fear of being dumped? And it isn't the posh thing, I mean I know plenty of posh people (well a few), it is the appalling twat thing. Like when he decided that the reason that there are only 2 girls left and 4 boys is that the men have stronger personalities. Yeah right, Jonny and PJ (and him), really good examples of strong personalities.

Emma, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Twas good TV watching him wheeze hysterically.

Ronan, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I believe you personally are not hating him cos he's "posh" but I bet a significant amount of people do. It was advertised enough at the start what with the production of his shopping bills and stuff. I mean what the fuck? They never did anything like that with Sophie did they?

Ronan, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

they could have gone through her collection of healing crystals and motivational posters. that would have been great

Alan Trewartha, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

PJ will get his come uppance for the Jade BJ.

jel --, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Has Johnny shrunk?

jel --, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Jonny is an odd one. I kind of like him but would prefer Alex or PJ to win - I don't have my housemates loathing of Kate but really, people who find her funny/interesting are obviously easily pleased. Mind you I think PJ and Kate are pretty similar so it's just my sexualism making me prefer him.

The thing with Jonny is that he has been breezy and matey all his life and obviously got on pretty well with that and now suddenly he gets in the BB house and gets nominated more times than anyone else. So he's interesting as a test-case for what happens when a popular good-bloke person suddenly faces rejection. And what seems to happen is that he goes all quiet, tries to get people to like him, wears a perpetually haunted look and actually I end up thinking he's rather sweet.

Tom, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Kate - I like her a lot now she has gone mad and stopped trying to be superflirtwoman, ie since she had that nasty bout of PMT.

Tim - I keep trying to stop myself thinking that he was FAKE crying re. the video/his girlfriend - he has more than a touch of the casual Nasty Nick about him.

Johnny - remains wholly average and thus exactly the kind of person you expect to win Big Brother.

Archel, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I want to hear Tim's racist joke.

N., Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It was grebt, in the sense obv. that it showed him to be tha TWANGER he is. They were all telling those, "What's this?" *inverts hands & wiggles* "I dunno, but they're goes another one" style jokes. Then someone, maybe PJ (80% certain) said he knew some good racist jokes. Then Tim said "How many pakis does it take..." - then we couldn't hear the rest of it cos he muffled a bit not that it was cut out. Kate didn't tell him to shut up. She just said that "we had better watch ourselves, I think that's enough" type thing. NOT a reprimandation!

david h(0wie), Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

TIM MUST GO. So must PJ and Kate, though.

Dan Perry, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Don't tell me I was mislead by the Sun...

Andrew L, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i don;t think kate is funny in the sense that she always makes me laugh, i mean that a couple of times she has gone into an impersonation or a kind of mini-performance — the "stand back" new york fireman one, for example — which has genuinely been funny while it lasted: i wish she'd do more of that

mark s, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

who i am kidding i am totally easy to please: i went to see a school play tonight, to be supportive of T.who did the scenepainting (she just got a part-time job teaching art there).... two-and-a-half hours of ten-year-old boys mumbling their incomprehensible way thru treasure island — with jim-lad accents *sigh* — and i larfed non-stop

blimey the kid who played jim hawkins was tremendous though: he leapt abt the stage and declaimed for england and he looked exactly like a pintsized zoe tate off emmerdale, pre-craziness makeup => haha and the kid who played Ben Gunn looked exactly like T's dotty little dog nacho

mark s, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm beginning to think Tim's not so bad (mainly because of how weak the Anti-Tim argument is ie: "he is posh and ginger hahahahahahahaha GINGER hahahahahaha") He seems to hate all the tomfoolery and so I feel quite sorry for him being stuck in a house with a bunch of monkeys (the "he knew what to expect" argument is just as lame as the GINGER argument - that's just giving in to stupidity)

jamesmichaelward, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

yes but the wine was k-lame

also his HIDING PLACE was lame!! the old lady over the road when i wz growing up had a horrible little fat dog called flora which stole biscuits and hid them, by leaning them up against the skirting board while we watched her: WE ARE WATCHING YOU AND THAT IS NOT HIDDEN FLORA!!

tim = flora

mark s, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, the hiding thing was pretty dumb and it is very annoying the way he constantly shapes his hair (into THAT shape! If you're going to spend every waking moment fixing your hair, fix it into something better). I'm not saying he's not a twat, it's just there are more reasons for disliking him other than his alleged poshness and the fact he dyes his hair.

I'm also beginning to think PJ's not so bad

Maybe Flora was just lining her biscuits before she ate it. Toy with them then destroy them!

When I was little, I was in my garden and a hedgehog tried to hide behind a clear plastic bottle while I was watching it. Though, that said, when I was even littler, I used to think all I had to do to hide was cover my eyes (I can't see you = you can't see me)

jamesmichaelward, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah but James the knew-what-was-coming argument actually applies ONLY to Tim because he had been able to see the first 3 weeks of BB before his call-up! Also this "bunch of monkeys" argument really does just sound like whining coming from him - in the actual conversations he contributes v.little, basically just agreeing with Alex or PJ, and he's no more intelligent than either (no he's more intelligent than Alex but a lot less outgoing).

His frothing last night about Jonny's juvenility - "He is a 29 year old man and I bet he doesn't have towel fights in real life" etc. - was feeble-minded: in real life Jonny has TV books magazines and perhaps the interweb to keep him from the dread recourse of towel fights. Then it was followed up by his bitching about Jade for being desperate to win - well yes Tim and has it not occurred to you that you care less about winning than her because you have your own business and a BMW and she has a scabby flat in Bermondsey with a one- armed mentalist mother?? It's the lack of empathy that does for him.

And the posh thing is kind of a reason to dislike him because he is such a typical public school boy - speaking as a public schoolboy myself dont y'know.

Tom, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

hedgehogs have v.pore eyesight i believe, so they are let off

mark s, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm 26 and I broke the sofa by doing a flying elbow into it. So, I guess Tim would hate me, oh well. Not that wrecking the sofa is a cool thing to do, and I always have to sit in the sunken down broken side as penance for my crime.

Tim = Mr. Maturity, he probably never had any toys when he was a kid.

jel --, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Try spinning round lots until you are dizzy. Its as good as a gin and tonic for quick thrills. Not mature = cheap fun.

Pete, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Tim's utter refusal to countenance having fun was one thing but the way he decided that everyone else having fun was putting it on & the whole 'pantomime' tirade has made me hate him even more. This is clearly not a posh thing or a ginger thing, posh ginger people can have a laugh & not take themselves so seriously. Anyway it is not the fact that he is ginger that bugs me it is the fact that he tries to conceal it.

I liked it when he turned away in scorn from the pillow fight and instead did his hair in the mirror. That's much more mature and useful, eh Tim?

TIM MUST GO.

Emma, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Anyway it is not the fact that he is ginger that bugs me it is the fact that he tries to conceal it.

Maybe he just likes black hair! I dye my hair black, it doesn't mean I'm trying to conceal my very dark brown hair or that I'm ashamed of it, I just prefer having black hair. I think it looks nice. Lots of people dye their hair. Also, even if he did try to conceal it, can you blame him? Nearly every other comment against him includes the word 'ginger'

I liked it when he turned away in scorn from the pillow fight and instead did his hair in the mirror. That's much more mature and useful, eh Tim?

Heh, when I watched that, I thought it was quite good the way he turned away in scorn but then GAH! he ruined it by looking in the mirror.

His frothing last night about Jonny's juvenility - "He is a 29 year old man and I bet he doesn't have towel fights in real life" etc. - was feeble-minded: in real life Jonny has TV books magazines and perhaps the interweb to keep him from the dread recourse of towel fights

And, no doubt, in real life Tim has TV books magazines and perhaps the interweb to keep him from people who towel fight.

jamesmichaelward, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Just been reading about the storming row PJ and Jade had where PJ accused her of being two faced, and playing up to the cameras and blubbing like a child. Which - after blubbing like a child - she apparently admitted.

Yes, yes Tim Must Go - but he can't go this week. I have rather warmed to PJ, as I have to Kate. This is a very tricky one I'd say. I'm playing my cards close to my chest (and then spinning round loads to make meself dizzy).

Pete, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

so what is the actual root of tim's simmering rage?: i think this -> he went in arrogantly assuming he had the whatever, brane- wise and breeding-wise, to see off this clutch of no-marks (i wuv that word, for obvious reasons), and is now discovering that actually it is HARD in unexpected ways, and rewards unlikely characteristics (and is NOT abt being a great actor, which i'm sure is a prime delusion among BB-wannabes)

so now is aware he has given himself away half a dozen times and is furious with HIMSELF for being as useless or more than the others that he despises so: so he DISDANES their silly coping strategies, as at least that way he is still a cut above (= revealing himself, once again, as a cut below - but then he is by some way the dimmest person in the house, EQ-wise) (that too is a public schoolboy cliche i spose)

mark s, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

ps i agree wiv jamesmichaelward abt the ginger stuff, and the "hiding" stuff => "why [girl x] ! are you so ashamed of the colour of your lips!! how lame and deceitful!! etc etc"

mark s, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It is one thing to dye your hair but quite another to remove all body hair so you will not be uncovered. He is a twat and MUST GO.

Emma, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Maybe he just prefers to be, um, smooth

jamesmichaelward, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i agree that removing yr lips to disguise their natural colour wd be foolish

mark s, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

nobody knows i'm ginger -- IT'S AUBURN.

Alan Trewartha, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

no it's auboo-urns

mark s, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd just like to agree on this subject, Tim is a complete idiot!!!

Charlie, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)


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