Paper Heart: Charlyne Yi does not believe in love . . .

me an my gurl watched this over the weekend we both enjoyed it and i thought 'what a great concept for a movie: someone who doesn't believe in love.'

but it is kinda weird in that it's like psuedo-documentary and also 'written' but all in all is a good flick. y'all seen it? what didja think?

Tape Store loved it. Everyone else, not so much.

Yi and Cera are as horrible as ever, movie was utter shit.

there was a lot of discussion on last year's end of year movie thread i think? i'm too lazy to find it, but pretty much everyone thought it was insufferable twee bullshit, except for tape store

lots of ilxors hate it without having watched it

not linking to that goddamn thread :/

http://www.believermag.com/issues/201003/?read=interview_yi

i couldn't imagine watching two minutes of this without throwing something

My friends and I first experienced Charlyne Yi when

stopped reading

It felt good to watch five minutes of this and know I would loathe the other 18425 minutes.

I watched the first 10 minutes with some friends and they were like "let's watch something else"

what's up w/ this?

BLVR: You’re writing an HBO series—

CY: Um, I’m not allowed to talk about that contractually. Also, that movie I’m writing for Universal and Judd Apatow—just not allowed to talk about it. I thought I was allowed and I slipped up somewhere and talked about it and then I got in trouble.

http://www.big-t-shirts.com/ProdImages/big/792.jpg

fair enough

hey why don't you write a middling tweet about it?

because i only talk about topical shit, not retarded crap people talked about 9 months ago thanks for trying

damn, rly? a'ite ilx y'all a bunch of hard-hearted mofos today i guess

lol @ "middling tweet" as if there's another kind

o hey tapestore can you permalink what you wrote so long ago?

http://www.meninaprons.net/images/bc_allison.jpg

"When you grow up your heart dies."

i didn't write anything intelligent about the film on ilx.

but my emotional rambling is on the 500 days thread

This was better than Nick and Nora's Infinite Playlist.

Just about as lame as 500 Days of Summer.

Tape Store, do you get butthurt about criticism of Paper Heart because... you're incapable of love?

i didn'tno one writes anything intelligent about the film on ilx.

very good

Paper Heart talk here:

This is the thread where we discuss matters pertaining to the detrius that accompanies the "End of the Year in Cinema" -- 2009
500 Days of Summer (twee romantic whatever, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Zooey Deschanel)

tbf i don't think Tape Store is the only one getting butthurt in this thread

Choice excerpt:

oh no, the av club slammed paper heart!

― Tape Store, Friday, August 7, 2009 12:03 PM (8 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i am freaking out! oh no non ono no no non ono

― Tape Store, Friday, August 7, 2009 12:04 PM (8 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

non-ono

Not to hijack this thread, but "Paper Heart" actually lives up to "next-level romantic comedy" hype.

― did i ever tell you you're my gyro? (Tape Store), Friday, July 17, 2009 2:51 PM (8 months ago) Bookmark

that person calls my opinions middling, fwiw

#6

Plz understand, people, that PAPER HEART is mostly a documentary!!! Like, other people talking to the camera! The Michael Cera/Charlyne Yi thread takes up 30 percent of the movie and it's woven in very neatly. When people say they were "charmed," they're not referring to the notion that Michael and Charlyne are cute together (which, they actually are, even though the trailer might not make that very clear), they're referring to the really adorable couples that Charlyne interviews...

If you actually gave it a chance, you might like it, but I'm not exactly shocked that you're not...maybe would have helped if the marketing was more accurate.

― Dr. Morbius or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Ban (Tape Store), Thursday, July 30, 2009 1:50 PM (8 months ago) Bookmark

haha i thought that was actually morbs for a second

I really like the lawyer/judge couple. Unfortunately the rest of the movie is mostly Cera/Yi (way more than 30%--wtf are you guys smoking?)

haha i thought that was actually morbs for a second

― J0rdan S., Monday, April 12, 2010 6:21 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest

LOL ME TOO!!

xpst alex i am pasting shit from that 500 days thread . . . like this:

Less than half of Paper Heart is a doc - the interviews with the (non-Cera/Yi) couples. Everything involving Cera, Yi, the guy playing Jasenovec (obviously), or their Hollywood buddies is fiction(al). Quite a few of the incidents in the "doc" portions feel very staged. Not a knock against it really, but saying it's "mostly" a doc is just patently untrue.

― Simon H., Thursday, July 30, 2009 1:59 PM (8 months ago) Bookmark

i totally felt similar to this^
reread the netflix synopsis and was like wait ok this is the part that's 'written'
but it did have a feeling of pandering or something that i wasn't sure if i was comfy with
however i completely identify with a character who is not sure about love as i feel the exact same misgivings

and from the believer interview:
"BLVR: What was the dream?

CY: It was weird. It was me playing the character in the dream, but in the comic book it’s not me at all. It was like she was on a mission because there was this heat wave going on, and everyone was getting sick and dying and going crazy and killing each other because of this crazy fever. And people kept doing bad stuff so hell was getting bigger, and each time hell got bigger the world would get hotter, because it would take up more room underneath the earth. (Pause) Somehow that made psychological sense in my dream.

BLVR: No, that definitely makes sense.

CY: So one girl decides she’s had enough—someone has to put an end to this—people are going crazy! So she drives to Las Vegas and she meets this guy who’s an Elvis impersonator, and he wants to kill the devil too, because the devil’s taken his wife away. He wants to bring his wife back to life and take her out of hell. So they sort of team up on this great adventure to stop the crazy war that’s going on, and go down and find the devil."

nothing is written fyi, improvised yes

i really wanted to revisit that 500 days of summer thread, thx everyone

ok sorry tapestore here is a permalink to the discussion from that thread and i will stop pasting it to this thread

paper fart

― cool app (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, August 7, 2009 3:03 PM (8 months ago) Bookmark

This movie was mostly intolerable.

well so people are mostly hating on the movie, but the character charlyne plays i guess is more of what i want to discuss:

this concept of not knowing what is love and perhaps not feeling you are capable of love or rather the uncertainty with which we rational beings mostly temper our "feelings" with perhaps preventing any truly rational person from having access to this feeling of being in love . . .

http://www.popularpets.net/snakes/pictures/asp/asp.jpg
http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/cas/fnart/rodin/burghers2.jpg

^i don't understand this at all

the ship!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― BIG HOOS's wacky crack variety hour (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, August 7, 2009 4:44 PM (8 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

haha man fun thread

im a cera apologist but even still im not going to watch this bullshit lookin movie

this was completely forgettable. I didn't even remember until now that I actually saw this.

^i don't understand this at all

― just limp peanut galleryisms (jdchurchill), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 00:47 (11 minutes ago) Bookmark

^i don't understand if this post is 'ironic'

ok, i've cooled down jd, and i'm happy that you want to discuss the film.

i don't watch a whole lot of romantic comedies, but it seems like there have been multiple ones lately--including (500) Days of Summer (and Date Night? Up in the Air?)--that demonstrate skepticism w/r/t the question "What is love?"

hat to tip jim anyway

alright can we stop the movie-hate and talk about 'love' and 'being in love' then people? sheesh!

here's another excerpt from the believer interview:

BLVR: Love is the subject of Paper Heart—which is kind of funny because you’ve said you’re not interested in the same sorts of things that most women are, and yet to make a movie about, you know, “Will I ever fall in love?” That seems more like a stereotypically female concern.

CY: I think it’s an everybody concern, really.

BLVR: Yeah, you’re right. (Pause) Have you heard of the word limerence?

CY: No, my vocabulary’s very small. What does that mean?

BLVR: It’s the state of feeling like you’re in love. It’s not actually love, but it’s the falling-in-love feeling, and there’s physiological effects, like your heart speeds up and you blush and you stutter and you have obsessive, intrusive thoughts about the love object, and most of it takes place in fantasy. That’s distinguished from real love, which is actually caring about another person and wanting to help them and do good by them and so on.

CY: I was talking to my friend about this. I think sometimes it’s hard to know what you feel, or to know what’s real and what’s not, because love or hate or any feeling is a belief. You can say you hate someone, but you don’t truly know them. You have examples of reasons to hate them, but if you analyze those reasons it’s like, Oh, I’m hating that person based on one thing they did, but I don’t actually know them well enough to hate them. Or sometimes you’re in a relationship and you’re like, This is love! Then, afterwards, if you feel bitter about them, you’re going to rewrite history. You’re going to think, Ah, it wasn’t love anyway. Cause you’re bitter right now. Then, after time passes, maybe you’ll realize, Oh no, that was love, I was just being bitter. It’s like, you call it what you want to call it.

BLVR: It’s interesting that you say love is a belief. I think it’s also an action. Like to love somebody—you can make acts of love or do things for another person, but if you’re somebody who doesn’t make any gestures of love, is that really love? Just to feel it but not act it?

CY: Yeah. I think actions really do define how you feel, as opposed to just saying, “I care about you” or “I want to be with you.” Where’s the truth? Where’s the meaning in your words if your actions contradict them? I think as human beings we contradict our feelings constantly, we make mistakes, but I think ultimately it comes down to actions to define how we feel about each other.

^i don't understand this at all

― just limp peanut galleryisms (jdchurchill), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 00:47 (11 minutes ago) Bookmark

^i don't understand if this post is 'ironic'

― nakhchivan, Monday, April 12, 2010 6:59 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

ok i'll bite:
how could me not understanding the snake and rodin sculpture picture combo with no explanation as being ironic?

oh, right
check the img filenames then

that interview is garbage, if i wanted to read a bullshit student convo about limerence id fire up ILTMI

i think i said this on the other thread, but for me, the most interesting part of paper heart is the way it plays with reality. my fav visual metaphor (yes there are visual metaphors in paper heart) is charlyne's wig trick, which is a pretty provocative notion, i think

btw, if you want to have a serious conversation about love on ilx, paper heart is probably not the correct starting point

but if you want to talk about it in the context of the film, i'll point out that the thing stopping love in paper heart is the camera

Date Night doesn't so much tackle the question "What is love?" as it tackles audience goodwill toward Fey/Carell.

btw, if you want to have a serious conversation about love on ilx, paper heart ilx is probably not the correct starting point

Sorry, it's getting to be a reflex now.

Isn't Charlyne's wig trick that she puts on a goofy wig?

no, the wig looks exactly like her real hair

THE BELIEVER: Did you get up recently?

CHARLYNE YI: Yes. I was writing late last night and woke up to my phone just now.

BLVR: Do you remember what you dreamed?

CY: I was riding a horse… and it was going real slow. You know sometimes you realize it’s a dream and then things stop working?

BLVR: Somebody once told me that if you have a dream within a dream it’s like a really deep dream, like a dream from even deeper in your soul or psyche.

fuck off

a'ite nakhchivan:
the burghers of calais
"It was this moment, and this poignant mix of defeat, heroic self-sacrifice, and willingness to face imminent death that Rodin captured in his sculpture, scaled somewhat larger than life."
this is kinda like being in love . . .
but what about the snake?

and dudes what's with all the vitriolic dismissiveness? all these one line negative reviews: i just don't trust. where is yr reasoning and rational?
i mean i get it some people just didn't dig it and have nothing really to write abt. but why be mean to someone who did dig it and would like to discuss some of the more poignant aspects?

like the great scene where nick and charlyne are shooting beebee guns at bottles and she's asking him if they could like stop filming every single time that her and cera are together . . .

or that first bomb of a scene with the dude shooting pool and fleshing out a difference between real love and true love?

and dudes what's with all the vitriolic dismissiveness? all these one line negative reviews: i just don't trust. where is yr reasoning and rational?

hahaha okay really? You realize which posters you're talking to here, right (aka "the ones who are reflexively dismissive 80% of the time, especially with topics they've already discussed")

jdchurchill, a clue

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Asperger-Vienna-clinic.jpeg

nb i don't think using the term as an internet pejorative is entirely proper but w/e it was amusing

.....

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/2989/aspergerviennaclinic.jpg

^and this is aspergers (being socially awkward) and that sounds like burghers which is the title of the rodin?

i'm sorry nakhchivan but i just don't get it, why don't you explain it more plainly, plz?

no, the wig looks exactly like her real hair

― cupcake 24/7 (Tape Store), Monday, April 12, 2010 7:32 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

BLVR: In Paper Heart you play a character named Charlyne Yi. This melding of art and life—does it ever get confusing?

CY: No. It’s only confusing for strangers. It’s not confusing for me. I think our friends know who we are and our family—except for this one time I scared the shit out of my mom. You’d think by this time she’d know who I was! I thought she’d know when I was acting and when I was being real, but I guess not.

X. THE INTERNET

BLVR: In Paper Heart, you play a character who doesn’t really know whether love exists for her or not, and then you kind of come to see that perhaps it could, and it feels like you could be talking about culture, like how nice would it be if there was some kind of transition where people get to the point of acknowledging their own and each other’s humanity—a growth in the culture similar to what your character underwent in the movie.

CY: It’s like, there are people on the Internet who write me hate mail, saying they want to fucking kill me and stuff. And it’s really scary. (Laughs) I’m like, “Hey! Why? I didn’t do anything to you. Why would you write me something and want me to feel like crap?” I don’t really let it get to me because it’s like, Oh, they’re crazy. I would never write somebody and inflict that sort of discomfort in their lives. So these people will write me this hate mail with curse words, and I’ll write them back, and they’ll reply, “I hope you die in a fire!” It’s like, OK, maybe I’ll block you. Anyway, I tried. I tried to reach you on a human level. Apparently… you are too far along on the dark side to be reached.

BLVR: I can’t understand where it comes from—that sheer rage, you know? Just at anything—at a music video—this complete rage and hostility at a music video. It doesn’t make any sense.

CY: The internet’s weird. It’s kind of harvesting this negativity. I think negativity has always been out there, but I think because people are hiding behind this thing, they feel able to express these hateful feelings they’ve maybe been keeping inside. I don’t know.

haha jdchurchill am i supposed to believe you couldn't check asp.jpg
i am kinda aspie i spose

oic the snake is an asp and then the burghers
i think i get it but i don't see what it has to do with love
or maybe it's like peeps like us who have the aspergers aren't capable of love?

CY: It’s like, there are people on the Internet who write me hate mail, saying they want to fucking kill me and stuff. And it’s really scary. (Laughs) I’m like, “Hey! Why? I didn’t do anything to you. Why would you write me something and want me to feel like crap?”

Can we persuade Shakey to write her soemthing?

I think Charlyne Yi is "interesting."

truth bomb

that demonstrate skepticism w/r/t the question "What is love?"

sorry to be all grammar police, but wtf could this possibly mean?

...i mean, this is either the dopiest thing i have read on ilx or it's like heidegger-level mindfuckery.

erm, i think that makes sense, but basically 'i saw multiple romantic comedies in 2009 and 2010 that explored the idea of love not existing.'

I think he means they ask what love is and whether they can feel it, and whether there can be a socially agreed on definition of it. I don't think he means they're skeptical about the question itself.

There's nothing wrong with the question itself. I'm presuming you don't really think that.

Speaking of presumptuosness, this was very:

BLVR: It’s the state of feeling like you’re in love. It’s not actually love, but it’s the falling-in-love feeling, and there’s physiological effects, like your heart speeds up and you blush and you stutter and you have obsessive, intrusive thoughts about the love object, and most of it takes place in fantasy. That’s distinguished from real love, which is actually caring about another person and wanting to help them and do good by them and so on.

A pat definition as if people don't write books about what "real love" is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na4aCn9rtAQ

cynicism oops

Man that's a wasted youtube post. Nobody's really gonna watch that!

haven't seen this but does the concept rip off the talking heads sequences in When Harry Met Sally?

haha i totally went "oh how does that song go again, i think i liked it" and clicked on the youtube

oh, like, I'm wrong everyday

charlyne was v nice in person, btw /"braggin'"

Man that's a wasted youtube post. Nobody's really gonna watch that!

― bamcquern, Tuesday, April 13, 2010 6:44 PM (56 minutes ago) Bookmark

exactly!

Is it your way of saying "tl;dr," or that talking about what love is is pointless, or something else?

tuomas et al muse about love not too long ago

also did you see her on craig ferguson last night?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y6C2TwbP5M

more writing about love from ilx not too long ago