ETA - C or D?

john wayne gacy is my fav serial killer - but i do like dennis nielson as he looked like a serial killer but no one ever noticed

well duh - they are a terrorist org. if they were in favour of all this they may not have felt it necessary to use bombs

If you're that into deathporn I suggest blowing your face off and writing the experience up on I Love Everything!

Or maybe you could turn into one of those guys who cheap books called "The 20th Centuries Biggest SERIAL KILLERS" and flicks one off at the Gacy crime scene photos. Better still, get a webcam and lets watch you splat your evil necrophilic seed onto the lens.

Or you could watch a few of those late night documentaries about "cuddly" Dennis and his arena of blood and bodyparts with one eye whilst also watching a crappy fake snuff mpeg on your PC out of the other eye whilst sniffing poppers and listening to Piggies really loud.

Or you could turn into one of those weasily guys who knows the exact specs and names for every piece of military equiptment currently slaughtering civillians in the name of nationalism and (insert deity here).

Tell you what, why not re-create the James Bird murder using a Tonka truck and a Mr.T doll? You could play "Dragging me Down" by the Inspiral Carpets in the background and everything.

Or even create a two towers of playing cards and throw and a paper aeroplane into them whilst thinking "Damn, that was amazing planning! My those guys were commited" whilst browsing thorough azzam.com, the pro-jihad site who's webserver is based in New York.

In short, fuckpig, deathporn is deathporn is deathporn. Grow up and realise things like this are very real and not a nice ironic media box for you to play "100 greatest of all time" with.

a) i realise that the slaughter of innocents is a terrible thing

b) i realisae terrorism is a truely diabolical way of attempting to settle a problem be it land, religion etc

but i am but one of the many rubber necks who find the study of murder and terrorism fancinating from both a sociological and phychological perspective - ie what drives people to kill for various reasons - a question that in itself is fascinating

i presume you have only ever seen nice films (ie the ideas of loneliness and trauma as projected through henry potrait of a serial killer and psycho. Or have never read the shoemaker) or never observed a crash at the roadside because this would make you somehow a pariah away from society

get with the program - yes its unfortunate and terrible - but there will never be anything that society can create that is quite as fascinating as the murder of a civilian by a civilian for what ever reason or cause

so the United States government is a terrorist organisation because it uses force against its enemies?

terrorism by its very nature doesnt allow a communication process, more just weilding might for a few seconds and then observing the consequences for time after

the usa as power weilding meglomaniacs - they only use communication before they venture in to a bombing round the world trip as a kind of press related fore-thought

are there parrelles - YES - are they blinkered in what they do - YES

are the us terrorists - NO, but only in name (by nature they are one and the same)

Life isn't a movie. The world does not consist of good guys, bad guys and a ride into the sunset at the end. Serial killers, terrorist orginisations are not characters in a TV Movie.

If you find murderers fascinating, why not go into Criminal Psychology as a career rather than treating them as a funny little culture nugget you can go "wow!" at. You are reducing misery to Pokemon and corpses to Field Goals.

I'm astonished at your lack of respect for human life. I know it's easy in the de-sensitised days to carelessly browse pass endless reports of death and murder world wide, but for god's sake man, theres blase and then there's looking at biogs of mass murdering tossers for intellectual kicks. If you want the full kick, go out and kill someone. Email me privately and I'll give you my address and you can come round and murder me if you like. Don't worry, the killed isn't half as fascinating as the killer, is he/she? Any distress you cause my family and friends will be nothing compared to the glorious cheap packaged 1.99 book about you, Gacy, Shipman and all the others. YOU COULD BE A STAR!!!!!

this is nonsense. for all their faults, ETA have long been eager to engage in a communication process with the Spanish state, but the Spanish state has refused to talk to either them or their political sympathisers, even when they were on ceasefire. I disagree with both ETA's aims and methods, but to portray them as maniacs obsessed with violence for its own sake is grossly misleading.

Disagreement with a party's methods doesn't imply disagreement with their aims - that would be only the most blinkered comprehension. I can only assume that Lynskey is playing a troll of the highest order with that kind of black-or-white diatribe, and I'm dismayed anyone took the time to respond to it.

For the record, the PLO have always been my favourite terrorists, because imho they've got a fucking good point. (I'm going right off on a tangent here, but bear with me!) The conduct of the state of Israel over the past 40 years has been downright disgraceful. Forget your discussion of US = terrorists or megalomaniacs, consider Israel.

Back on topic, I work with a Basque bloke, and he wears an ETA Tshirt under his work clothes every day. He's alright, if a bit hard-line, so I'd say C, but in need of a bit of weed to chill 'em right out.

So for that alone, classic (though their subsequent actions were slightly unjustified, given the degree of autonomy the Basques received in the 80s, and the fact that Basques could now vote for independence). But, given 50 years of especially virulent Francoist repression (worse than the rest of Spain), it's no wonder the formerly clerical, hierachical Basques ended up radical leftist- nationalists.

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Reason for seeking out this thread:

http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2004/10/03/espana/1096783423.html

yes, every last one of them. They are like robots.

Thank you for picking me up on that, DV.

Is your brother-in-law your wife's brother or your sister's husband? Where is he? I am going next week, to the Basque Country, for a week.

They are in a small town in the east of the Basque Country, near Donostia-San Sebastian.

The Basque Country is really nice... what I've seen of it. Pretty little towns, attractive scenery, friendly people, and an impressive big city in Bilbao.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/europe/4010625.stm

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So I read today that they killed a railway worker, because high speed train links between the Basque Country and places outside the Basque Country are against the intersts of the Basque people.

One of the predictable traits of a nationalist movement is the desire to define a purist national culture that excludes the culture of the dominating government. Therefore, if Spain is the provider of high speed trains, high speed trains are anti-Basque. It's axiomatic.

xpost. It was a businessman involved in the building of the high speed railway link because of building the link and because of refusing to pay the "revolutionary tax". Also because he was a soft target with no bodyguard and because Zapatero was planning to visit the Basque Country to meet with business leaders the day after the murder.

ETA gets worse and worse as things go along, basically because its leadership keeps on getting caught so the new leaders are younger, more extreme, less mature and generally more despicable as time goes along.

really badly written sentences there.

yeah, there's nothing "romantic" or even particularly "political" about ETA, they're just a criminal organization and it's a shame they're what many people think of when they think of Basques (obvious I know but this shit breaks my heart)

Yeah, that's true, I'm half-Chilean and basically most people from Britain just think Augusto Pinochet when they hear the word Chile, which is ever so slightly annoying, I imagine there's probably the same thing for Basques. I've always been fascinated by the idea of the Basque language, it being a language isolate or whatever they call it and it being the oldest living language in Europe and older than ancient Greek and Latin! Very interesting.

AMUSINGLY - Pinochet was of Basque descent, so maybe the Basque Autonomous Government could run campaigns with posters of him as a way of distracting people from ETA.

I think one thing with ETA was that when they launched a peace process with that twerp Aznar, he just told them to fuck off, but when Zapatero tried one with them, they told him to fuck off.

That said, I reckon one reason ETA keeps getting crazier must be the tendency of the Spanish state to ban their political wing, thereby forcing ultra nationalist Basques away from proper politics.