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can anyone recommend a beginner's guide to Buddhism book? I want to explore Buddhism, but I don't want to waste my time with some innocuous sounding school that actually turns out to be Evil Buddhism.

DV, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

new eightfold path answers.

DV, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Have you tried Racking Your Neighbors on the Wheel of Life-And-Death; A Beginner's Guide to Evil Buddhism?

Aimless, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

sogyal rinpoche -- the tibetan book of living and dying

rinpoche is reknowned for presenting the essentials of buddhism in a palatable way that makes sense to westerners. this is the book i started with, and i still refer to it all the time as a reference. he also founded the rigpa organization in the u.s.a. (www.rigpa.org).

drake, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

there's a book my dad liked that's called buddhism plain and simple. i haven't read it myself to recommend but i haven't heard him conjuring demons so it's probably not Evil Buddhism.

Maria, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

you might try some d.t. suzuki, he's supposed to be an authority. I only have a slim book by 'christmas humphries' or something like that, which is interesting, but I'm not knowledgable enough to recommend it over other books (plus it's a tough go, like reading continental philosophy). the FAQ for the usenet buddhism group has lots of recommendations of the sort you're looking for though.

Josh, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I've not read it myself, but a friend of mine constantly urges me to read

"What the Buddha Taught" by Walpola Sri Rahula


"This clear and informative guide draws on the words of the Buddha to convey the true nature of Buddhist wisdom. This classic book is regarded as one of the finest introductory books to Buddhism"

says the blurb

I'll get round to reading it soon, really I will.

C J, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

christmas humphreys was a judge in the uk who wrote the then best-known guide to buddhism in the 40s, and some other books on zen and stuff later on => they're reliable in the sense that in the 60s, penguin was still prepared to call them THE GUIDE TO BUDDHISM, eg no one had stepped forward to say "this is garbage and by the way, don;t you think a namechange is in order"

i get the impression they went out of fashion in the 70s, perhaps not new age-y enough => my copy of his book abt zen has a hilarious cartoon of the bodidharma on the cover (grumpy old indian monk who went to china and invented a. zen and b. martial arts)

mark s, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, the book of his I've got (some character on the cover, no monks or mothin) is very non-new-agey. actually, aside from the continental philosophy, it's more like reading greek philosophy in some ways, esp. presocratics

Josh, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

haha reason I have an out-of-date guide to zen by fogey brit judge = it was a dollar = release your hold on the material world

Josh, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"Buddhism for Sheep" - buddhism explained in newspaper-style cartoons as per its relation to sheep.

Graham, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

pali canon

The Hegemon, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I would recommend anything by Lama Yeshe, a Tibetan Lama who has recently reincarnated in Spain.

chris sallis, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I read the Rahula and found it a clean and effective intro, so I'll second that one.

nabisco%%, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

four years pass...
Can't believe no one mentioned Alan Watts. Roshi Philip Kapleau's "The Three Pillars of Zen" is also pretty essential for a student of the Zen school.

I'm considering making a return to Buddhism, though not for the 'spiritual' reasons I approached it the first time several years ago. I've become disturbed by my tendency to privilege speed and multiplicity over depth and quality. I need MORE records, faster & more timely blog updates, more conversations via ILX, AIM & Facebook. This all goes on at the expense of having fewer/better records, deeper blog entries & more interesting conversations in fewer places.

So I'm cracking open the old Watts & Kapleau books again, I dusted off my copy of "Zen in the Art of Archery" and bought Herrigel's "The Method of Zen" last night as well.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 12 May 2007 23:38 (nineteen years ago)

BIG ZEN aka the koandriver etc

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 12 May 2007 23:48 (nineteen years ago)

BIG ZEUS aka the zeu pater

Curt1s Stephens, Saturday, 12 May 2007 23:52 (nineteen years ago)

i am a buddhist, i have been my whole life, i just spent 6 weeks in nepal with my teacher. read either the essential chogyam trungpa or what makes you not a buddhist by dzongsar jamyang khyentse. dharma madmen the both of them w/good understandings of western mind and language.

jhøshea, Saturday, 12 May 2007 23:58 (nineteen years ago)

or if you're feeling sensitive read something by pema chodron, the ultimate sweetheart.

jhøshea, Sunday, 13 May 2007 00:00 (nineteen years ago)

i find Buddhism really confusing! as in, the more I study it (historical buddhism, i mean, forms of buddhism as practiced in eg the twelfth century in china) the less it seems like the image of Buddhism I always had in my head, which is a kind of fuzzy positive thing about not taking life and living well and not valuing temporal posessions and being generally good to the world. But then I go off and read sutras and it's more like 'your options are: burning hell! even more burning hell! hell without intermission! and a lifetime in this hell shall be as two hundred lifetimes in x heaven, a day of which is comparable to two thousand lifetimes in the southern world of mankind' and... it doesn't seem like the same religion, at all. It's so... fear-motivated, and there's all this focus on self-interest, always your own merit you're accruing: entirely possible that this is just the vehicle used to make people behave in a good way, but it turns me off quite a bit. Also Buddhist - maybe I mean Mahayana here - images of heaven are not so appealing, maybe I don't want to spend a long long lifetime in clouds of incense surrounded by jewels and gold everywhere I look, it sounds a bit painful on the senses frankly. Clearly I am far from enlightement and distracted from the core teachings by frivolous externals. :(

Jodo Buddhism is well awesome though, I'm totally up for a bit of Amidism.

c sharp major, Sunday, 13 May 2007 00:06 (nineteen years ago)

also Evil Buddhism is kind of ace! esoteric Buddhist teachings = total shamanism, really great, you read about them and think 'i'm sorry, how did you ever manage to disguise this stuff as buddhist in the first place? it is mad worldly.'

c sharp major, Sunday, 13 May 2007 00:07 (nineteen years ago)

in general try to stay away from so called guides to buddhism written by westerners trying to demystify the situation, they generally know not of what they speak and are throwing the baby out with the bath water etc. likewise with tradition translated texts which usually don't read very well for the beginner across the language/culture divide.

lama yeshe and sogyal rinpoche are decent recommendations - if you're interested in zen suzuki roshi's zen mind beginner's mind is quite potent.

jhøshea, Sunday, 13 May 2007 00:10 (nineteen years ago)

also Evil Buddhism is kind of ace! esoteric Buddhist teachings = total shamanism, really great, you read about them and think 'i'm sorry, how did you ever manage to disguise this stuff as buddhist in the first place? it is mad worldly.'

without getting too into it, it's the view that makes anything buddhist, while the means can be identical to hindu or shamanistic practices. as dzongsar jamyang khyentse rinpoche says in the book recommended up thread: if you recognize your mind as compassion/emptiness, you can worship paris hilton and enemas and it is buddhism.

jhøshea, Sunday, 13 May 2007 00:15 (nineteen years ago)

and c sharp major - as for the fire and brimstone aspect, with out totally writing it off, which would be quite arrogant of me; it's an unfortunate result of monastic culture. to this day if you go to many traditional monasteries and ask for a general teaching, that's what you'll get. if you make it clear you have some time to devote, they'll teach you how to work with your mind. it's sort saying if you can't commit yourself to serious practice then be good chap and don't do bad stuff - which is always nice advice.

of course now in the west there are many communities and teachers much more willing to give curious lay students the real juice.

jhøshea, Sunday, 13 May 2007 00:25 (nineteen years ago)

xp 0 What are you referring to with "Evil Buddhism"? I R confused.

I have some interest in Zen Buddhism, but I never know where to start.

milo z, Sunday, 13 May 2007 00:51 (nineteen years ago)

Milo, though I certainly can't speak with the authority of a practicing Buddhist like jhoshea, I might recommend Alan Watts' "The Way of Zen" as an introductory text for the curious. It combines a student's intimacy with concepts and history with a scholar's objective distance.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 13 May 2007 01:09 (nineteen years ago)

Trungpa was an interesting character.

moley, Sunday, 13 May 2007 03:16 (nineteen years ago)

So I'm cracking open the old Watts & Kapleau books again

Alan Watts would be roaring with laughter to hear that. Kapleau thought Watts was an undiscipled fraud, whilst Watts privately dismissed Kapleau as a dull and uninspired proponent of "sitting on your ass zen" (as if zen is a contest in who could sit longest).

Bob Six, Sunday, 13 May 2007 09:15 (nineteen years ago)

oops...undisciplined.

The ex-Independent editor Rosie Boycott is said to have to some very juicy anecdotes about Chogyam Trungpa, from her involvement with him in the early 70s.

Bob Six, Sunday, 13 May 2007 09:18 (nineteen years ago)

yeah pretty anyone who encountered him has very juicy anecdotes.

jhøshea, Sunday, 13 May 2007 13:16 (nineteen years ago)

"the way of zen" got me started about 10 years ago. I wish I could say it was the prompt to a great spiritual awakening, but not at the moment.

That said, meditation and Buddhism have changed my life, for the better. I do think there's something to be said for simpler books, particularly if you're more exploring it at the moment. Really, at its core, Buddhism is pretty simple. I've heard it said that all the more esoteric and complex stuff (including all that blurb about 808903 realms of hell, and all the dancey dancey demons - which doesn't represent what I believe at all) was added later, when people in religious positions in India with a bit of power saw it was taking off, tried to get in on the act, and then tried to make it as esoteric and unreachable as possible to maintain some of the power they had.

"what the Buddha taught" by Walpola Rahula is pretty good (you should read it, C J). It cuts a lot of the crap. I liked the explanation of suffering/impermanence in the book, which can sound very nihilistic and pessimistic to a Westerner coming to the concepts. Although I do remember reading it and being slightly annoyed by some of it, so there must have been something in there I didn't like.

Evil Buddhism? Never did...sounds COOL.

hobart paving, Monday, 14 May 2007 10:12 (nineteen years ago)

That looks like I'm dismissing the way of zen. I'm not, its a great book. Alan Watts generally (avoid the last book - the Tao of Philosophy - its a collection of writings and generally pretty tough going) is a good, and informative, read.

hobart paving, Monday, 14 May 2007 10:13 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know about evil Buddhism, but the Tibetan tradition of Chöd encounters some of the dark stuff with a willing spirit:

http://www.dharmafellowship.org/library/essays/chod.htm

moley, Monday, 14 May 2007 10:22 (nineteen years ago)

...incidentally, this tradition was founded by a woman - much rispek to our female butt kicking travellers on the path, because Chöd is hardcore.

moley, Monday, 14 May 2007 10:24 (nineteen years ago)

hobart paving: spokesperson for the core of buddhism.

ok first of all, for its first 200 hundred years buddhism was taught completely verbally, nothing was written down. then some things were written down, probably not everything. so it's impossible to say what was added on later or whatever. all of that, of course, is irrelevant, there have been many buddhas, not just one. there are many living today. that's the whole point - we are all simply recognizing our own buddha nature, our own potential buddhahood.

teachers will offer teachings that are appropriate and helpful to the students that they are teaching at a particular time and place. the zen koan tradition was certainly added on later, but does that make it fraudulent?

as for the common longing many westerners have to find simplicity in the dharma, that's fine, you could say the dharma is simple; you could say it's complex. if your motivation is to cultivate compassion and wisdom in order to alleviate the suffering of sentient beings - i doubt you'd care whether it was simple or complex. and certainly this distinction will be totally lost when rock meet bone and you are left without defense or distraction to confront your own confusion.

there are many zen students who after years of practice have developed a nice warm feeling towards walking slow and eating tofu. likewise there are many from the tibetan tradition who are crazy religious fanatics. as i mentioned upthread, it's not the means - clean simple lines and upright posture or deity visualization - that make something buddhist, it's the view and motivation. which, of course, zen and tantric buddhism share.

hobart, your faux-historical reading of the origins of tantric dharma is so ignorant and mean-spirited as to be completely unconscionable, particularly coming from someone who considers himself to be some sort of buddhist practitioner, particularly in a setting where there are people who are curious about the dharma.

jhøshea, Monday, 14 May 2007 14:21 (nineteen years ago)

goodness me!

you don't think your response is a little mean-spirited? I do feel rather like I've been attacked and then lectured on Buddhism. I'm not really interested in a more-Buddhist-than-thou conversation, but I'd consider that someone who claims the knowledge and compassion that you appear to be claiming might have answered my post with a little more compassion, or at least offered a more gentle challenge rather than an outright condemnation.

Looking back at my post, it is rather cynical, and I regret that. I didn't mean to suggest that any one aspect of the religion is somehow less "real" than another, which is perhaps what I did.

I'm aware of how Buddhism was taught, and that there is no universally accepted core. Trying to take a step back from this, and answer your post objectively, rather than in the angry manner it seems designed to provoke, my attempt to suggest my own perspective as some sort of core is actually rather offensive. However, I wasn't suggesting my truth as the only truth, "I've heard it said" doesn't imply that I know the answers to life, the universe and everything.

I DO think simplicity is important here. Although obviously any attempt to impose such a label is less than perfect, and there can be tremendous complexity within that simplicity. It IS my opinion that some aspects of Buddhism have been made needlessly complicated, or even inaccessible. This would not be unique to Buddhism, but would be true of many religions, and I believe that, in some aspects, this has been done for power-related reasons.

Okay, your post offers some room for reflection, and I'm going to try and be thankful for that, rather than react in the manner you might be expecting, and possibly wanting. I don't have time or energy to get into an argument with you over this, on this subject of all things. I regret that what I said gave offence, and was insensitive. I acknowledge your objections. Thank you for the lesson.

Yours
"some sort of Buddhist practitioner"

Actually, I quite like that.

hobart paving, Monday, 14 May 2007 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

By the way, in the extremely unlikely event that I've PUT ANYONE OFF BEING A BUDDHIST NO WAIT, COME BACK, ITS NICE REALLY!!!

But I don't suppose I have - do you?

hobart paving, Monday, 14 May 2007 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

well i'll leave it up to you to decide whether my response was intended to provoke anger or motivated by compassion or whatever. your implication that straight forward communication must naturally be based in aggression seemed a little questionable - not that i would hold myself up to be any sort of paragon of compassion or anything. i'm sure anything i say will be tinged with all sorts of confusion and your post most definitely did piss me off.

still, i wasn't trying to pick a fight, just attempting an honest uncouched response - really it was, from my point of view, a simple refutation of your ridiculous assertion that tantric buddhism was the creation of power mad brahmins - which your I've heard it said disclaimer did little to soften. likewise, just because you doubt that your comments could possibly have any effect on anyone doesn't mean you should regard your speech as unimportant or inconsequential.

as for the oft employed complaint that tantric buddhism is too complex or symbolic or esoteric - these things are only true until you try to understand what it's talking about. once you have a basic understanding, the straightforward clarity of dzogchen language might be the simplest thing there is.

jhøshea, Monday, 14 May 2007 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

I'm unsure of how to answer you without sparking off further argument, and I genuinely don't have any interest in that. I did apologise for the manner of my post.

I do feel the need to answer a couple of your points. I made no assertion that straight forward communication must naturally be tinged in aggression, and find this rather a willful mis-reading of my post.

My feeling that you intended to provoke aggression was evoked more by the fact that, rather than engaging me on the matter in hand, you chose to personalise it, and to use terms such as "unconscionable", with all the implications that entails. Your response was "honest" in the same kind of way that punching me in the face might have been. Whilst that might be very honest, I'm not sure you could claim it was pacifist.

I have struggled with Buddhism, and with some Buddhists, over the years. That doesn't excuse the dismissal of certain aspects of it in my post which was, to some degree, slightly flip and off-the-cuff rather than as thought through as it should have been, in particular the dismissal of anything esoteric or complex. My personal experience has been that its easy to get lost in the esoteric, and lose sight of the bare bones, which is why, I suppose, I gave the response I did.

I don't believe tantric Buddhism was the creation of power-mad brahmins, to use your terminology. I DO feel, as I said earlier, that there should be a simplicity at the core of practice, which can easily be sidelined (again, from personal experience) by elements of the religion with more mystical overtones. I'm not sure whether you're actually arguing that Buddhism has never been used in the exercise of power, so I won't follow that argument any further.

I think its time I stepped back from this dialogue. I do genuinely regret giving offence, although I'm still a little angry at your response. I don't believe for a second, as you suggest I might, that my comments have no effect on people. I do believe that an off-the-cuff remark is unlikely to drive people away from Buddhism, particularly on a forum such as ILX where accepting a wide diversity of viewpoints is pretty much a given. What might be more likely to put people off is the sort of exchange we've just had, which doesn't reflect particularly well on us either as people or as representatives of a religion.

For what its worth, I am "some kind of pracitioner". If we were to get competitive about this (which would be some kind of irony in itself), I'm quite sure you'd be able to offer more knowledge of scripture and possibly more experience of practice - I've only been doing this for the past 5 years and have always "felt" it rather than read it - although that doesn't necessarily devalue my experience as I've always felt the things that mattered most to me, without necessarily grasping them intellectually, so I certainly don't claim to be any sort of expert. There are points you made upthread I'd like to engage with, but now really isn't the time.

Right, I'll read the rest of the thread with interest. Obviously, I acknowledge your right of response, but I feel that this conversation between us should be drawn to a conclusion, preferably an amicable one. So, with a bit more sincerity than last time, thank you for your response, and the thought provoked. Peace.

hobart paving, Monday, 14 May 2007 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

hmmm....hobart and jhoshea

“When two Zen Masters meet on the road, they need no introduction; thieves and rogues recognize one another immediately.”

Dharma Combat

Bob Six, Monday, 14 May 2007 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

love it.

Being a rogue would be fun. That's some motivation towards mastery.

hobart paving, Monday, 14 May 2007 22:00 (nineteen years ago)

alright, cheers hobart, my apologies for any unkind or inaccurate words. may the dharma continue to flourish here in the virtual plain text realm of ilx.

jhøshea, Monday, 14 May 2007 22:13 (nineteen years ago)

btw i've heard that kalu rinpoche story many times. not that it's not hilarious, it just always seemed, not so real. eh?

jhøshea, Monday, 14 May 2007 22:14 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.nndb.com/people/569/000087308/william-james-3-sized.jpg

SAME OCEAN DIFFERENT SHORES

PRACTICE SOME MAYAHANA COMPASSION

K THNX

remy bean, Monday, 14 May 2007 22:15 (nineteen years ago)

Anyway, moving on... I see Brad Warner, author of Hardcore Zen, has a new book out this month.

Does anyone have any views on him (or his music come to that)? I quite liked the Hardcore Zen book.

Bob Six, Monday, 14 May 2007 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

I like Watts' writing but I wouldn't really consider him an authority - d.t. suzuki perhaps a better starting point

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 14 May 2007 22:22 (nineteen years ago)

I read "Zen Mind Beginners Mind" some years ago and was a little put off by (what I saw at the time as) a degree of esoterism. I suppose I should come back to it, though, with the same degree of open-mindedness with which I'm approaching the rest of this material.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 14 May 2007 22:56 (nineteen years ago)

A student said to the chief monk, "Help me to pacify my mind!"
The chief monk said, "Bring your mind over here and I will pacify it."
The student said, "But I don't know where my mind is!"
The monk replied, "Then I have already pacified it."
The student said, "Explain to me in detail what you have just done."
The chief monk was silent.
The student said, "Well?"
The monk hung his head, saying, "I tried to confuse you so that you would go away."

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 14 May 2007 23:00 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't know there was such a thing as Evil Buddhism!

That story is GREAT, Shakey M.C.

Abbott, Monday, 14 May 2007 23:08 (nineteen years ago)

Hahaha xpost

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 14 May 2007 23:09 (nineteen years ago)

not dismissive at all, no! honestly i find "back to the mat" really refreshing. i have so many sits that are .. unremarkable really. it makes the ones that have strong sensation stick out i guess.

It's during puja and chanting that I have the most profound reactions. I'm quite often moved to tears, and I don't really know what's going on with it.

i'm assuming this is a little different than meditation and involves some action or thought but i want to say that it sounds like some of the emotions i'll feel too and that it must not be that different from meditation as a practice and that .. it sounds like you are experiencing a strong sensation if you're moved to tears after all :)

she freaks, she speaks (map), Sunday, 14 September 2025 16:23 (eight months ago)

Yeah, puja is a Buddhist ceremony. The first time I ever went to my local Buddhist centre, there was a period of meditation and then a puja. A few members said 'are you sure you want to stay for this?' I was confused but the question 100% meant I did want to stay just to see haha.

I'm so anti any kind of religious iconography and ceremony that I wasn't prepared for my reponse to it. I'm still not, really. It's the one thing I'm not 'out' about to my friends, for fear of sounding like a nutcase. Hangs up, much?

But yeah. It can be anything up to an hour long, involves lots of chanting and call and response and culminates in kneeling before the shrine and presenting an offering (usually a lit candle or some incense) and you're totally right in that it's another way of inducing certain states accessible in meditation. For whatever reason, I seem to be able to bypass the ego far more easily during puja, and can access the deep workings more profoundly.

I try not to question it too much, basically. I decided pretty early on to trust that it was doing some serious work to/for me.

I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Sunday, 14 September 2025 16:49 (eight months ago)

I’ve never been comfortable chanting, whether at protests, religious services, or concerts. I can’t get past the feeling I’m just reciting a script, one I never signed off on, which can feel inauthentic and futile. I’m also uncomfortable raising my voice in public, prob because I’m shy about drawing attention to myself. To be sure, I realize chanting isn’t about actually manifesting ideas so much as collectively aligning with a value to live by while losing your individual voice in the collective. Still, it’s an obstacle, and it’s hard to know whether that falls under “doing this feels inauthentic in a way that undermines my spiritual growth”, vs “overcoming my internal resistance is where growth happens.” I guess the thing to do is just try it?

Meanwhile, I like meditation because nothing has to happen. Or rather, whatever happens is what happens. It took a long time to realize meditation isn’t about achieving a “natural high” or some mild approximation of psychedelic experience. I think part of me still aims for profound feelings and cool visuals, but am ok with 20 minutes of nothing special and no expectations.

ed.b, Monday, 15 September 2025 01:55 (eight months ago)

I recognise all of that, Ed, and totally agree with you about chanting and ritual. I'm genuinely happy that I stumbled into that first session; otherwise, I don't think I would have done it voluntarily for precisely the reasons you outline. My response was so interesting to me, that I decided to work *with* the feelings instead of against them.

nb, I don't want to present this as a Damascene moment; this has taken a couple of years to work out.

I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Monday, 15 September 2025 07:37 (eight months ago)

Chinaski what you're saying resonates for me. I've only dipped a toe into devotional practices but they seem like a really direct route for bypassing an egocentric approach and surrendering. One of those things I keep telling myself "oh I should do more of that", along with metta.

rainbow calx (lukas), Monday, 15 September 2025 19:06 (eight months ago)

xpost: To be sure, what you’re describing is… not my exact goal but a kind of experience I’m aiming for (I was just thinking about how, once going to dance parties and music events stopped being fun, it left me without that kind of experience of losing yourself in a crowd through a collective, embodied, sensory experience). But it’s confusing, trying to be become something different while being true to myself, all while letting go of the whole idea of what my self is or is supposed to be.
A more mundane example is that I might be reading something (eg the book by tara brach I’m working through) and think “I like the idea, but this sounds too corny for me.” I know my cynicism is something I want to let go of, if only to let myself feel more, but also know that if something strikes me as a sentimental platitude, it might do more to alienate me. Not really going anywhere with this other than to say, this may be an interesting process ahead.

ed.b, Monday, 15 September 2025 20:29 (eight months ago)

just echoing that what you described chinaski sounds really cool. i think it's lovely that you leaned into it.

i think one of the reasons i'm hesitant to seek out more ummm "content" for lack of a better word, around my practice, is that i have this sensation sometimes when i'm opening up to someone else's scripture, in a sense, that like i'm worried that i'll be let down, that too much of their human-ness will be in it - does that make sense? but on the other hand i've really been wowed by a couple of people in a couple of moments in the 'centering prayer' realm. and like i've been moved by certain people and certain things, certain words, in other places - pema chodron, hafiz. they're like parallel pings from across a sound? reassurances maybe. adding a little bit of reference and shape. but i think i'm fine with discovering one only occasionally. one of the things out of centering prayer that has stuck with me i got from thomas keating i think (a lovely, jolly man) - that prayer/meditation is about developing a personal and highly intimate relationship with god. so "going to the mat" for me is going to be with a friend. who loves me with an unending depth, one that encompasses all of me and all of creation. one that never, ever asks anything of me, one that if i listen to, i also listen to my true self.

she freaks, she speaks (map), Monday, 15 September 2025 23:59 (eight months ago)

one of the developments out of meditation for me has been realizing that "love" is not just a feeling of good will, though i think that's an effect of it, but that it arises out of being in the present. it's sort of like the ultimate clarity. it's seeing but also understanding the mystery of seeing. it's understanding that everything is permitted and always related back to god, even if the route is not always clear.

she freaks, she speaks (map), Tuesday, 16 September 2025 00:12 (eight months ago)

where i struggle most when it comes to keeping a connection to silence is during the work week lol. i have so much difficulty with not feeling trapped and suffocated by a job where i'm barely making enough to scrape by and so much of the work itself is so arbitrary and meaningless. i think i've made huge strides in my ability to "keep in touch with silence" so to speak, to walk upright, to be present in myself and my surroundings, to remember what i'm learning in meditation - and i think that in turn has made it so that i'm responding to people differently, with more of a measured approach in the case of people i don't trust, or with more of a free feeling, more of an authentic spontaneous happiness, with people i am close to.

today i had a quarterly performance review with my manager, which is always a painful meeting. the feeling is maybe evoked by thinking of a cat being forced to take a bath. my manager is a nightmare to work under. she can't plan anything. she's very self-involved and reactive and afraid. she seems to do everything for made-up reasons. i can see she deals with pain through denial, a very ingrained head-in-the-sand approach, and that particular combination has been like nails on a chalkboard for me. i'm less easily sent into an internal rage because of it, but there's no denying that it ripples out and affects the morale of everyone who works with her and everyone in the organization. the heaviness of weekly exposure feels like a lead blanket on my soul. i've wanted so badly to change my job. i've flailed at two possible career changes in the past 5 years. i've tried multiple times to move laterally. but nothing ever pans out. i remain in what has felt like an impossible situation. is the point for me to stay and change internally until the impossible becomes possible? maybe until i can find more acceptance? clearly, more acceptance equals less unhappiness, and in that i've been successful. but i still have a feeling that this is not the best place for me. so without a clear course of action i tend to my garden and wait.

what meditation has pointed me towards, the craving that it has brought to me, is to spend more time outside. not outside like driving around the city, outside like on a trail in the desert. where nature takes over the threshold of the environment from the influence of humans. although meditation has definitely allowed me to find a lot more room for the behaviors of others - i can't remember the last time i've had road rage, for example - i still find that being in a sea of humans going to work and hustling and relishing the material and witnessing the consequences of that - more and more people trapped in a liminal hell on the street - is not nourishing to me. what is? being on land. being in a larger ecosystem. finding a relationship with it.

she freaks, she speaks (map), Tuesday, 16 September 2025 01:33 (eight months ago)

I’m soto zen mostly. for me, it says what it means to do quite easily, which is nice. I find this type of practice good for trying to wipe everything else away as i try to concentrate on the 8 fold path in regular life. And the 4 noble truths. I’ve read rather a lot about many other ways of viewing buddhism, and chan and zen. i did a lot of reading from many historical writings from zen writings, and i decided i was overfilling my head with guidance and finer points. I really needed to sit more, and focus on that. still, i wanted to know more about the core scripture. I looked at tipitaka stuff, but the best form for me i found was to look at pali scripture through theravada monk writer bhikku bodhi. His book _In the Buddha’s Words_, with another book _The Noble Eightfold Path_ as a clarifier, these really set me straight as an approach to what right view and right understanding were intending to get me to do. my takeaway was/is that there’s not really not so much a core or essence out of that path— it is all simultaneous and interrelated. still that dip into that theravada presentation of scripture was refreshing and useful. i find theravada’s apparent focus on arahants/arhats not to be the aspect of practice i choose. i find the mahayana bodhisattva vision to be a more true interpretation and outcome for the path. the bodhisattva mission seems less striving, and more in keeping with my understanding of how to achieve freedom here and ultimately.
after first reading the mentioned _The Noble Eightfold Path_ i then found _In the Buddha’s Words_ as a no-credit Audible book. it is a funny listen because it so repetitive, but things from oral tradition had to be. my go-to readings for zen guidance are mostly the usual dogen stuff.
but for real progress i think i just need to sit a lot more. and i need a teacher. lately i have been suffering from too much distraction— even in sitting.

beige accent rug (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 16 September 2025 04:38 (eight months ago)

i was thinking it seems like Buddhism is cognitive psychology way before the west developed it, in practice, as a daily therapy. I am not Buddhist but have been using the Plum Village app a lot - its a good experience

Minty Gum (Latham Green), Wednesday, 17 September 2025 17:38 (eight months ago)

Some great recent posts.

Map, I totally recognise that fear (if that's the right word) of approaching scripture and doctrine. I always have in the back of my mind that the Buddha's whole approach was 'don't take my word for it - try this shit out for yourself' (or words to that effect, and without the em dash).

As for the work thing, god, I hear you and have nothing really useful to say. I did hear about the concept of the 'tantric guru' recently, which was essentially, your practice is wherever you need it most. Your boss certainly seems to demand the best of your practice, so you could see it as a chance to try some new approaches out. There's that thing where in meditation you should try (always with the fucking *try* these Buddhists) to welcome difficult states and emotions with curiosity and compassion. Obviously easy for me to say!

I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Friday, 19 September 2025 21:56 (eight months ago)

I'm really trying to meditate first thing in the morning. I'm generally pretty bad in the mornings - sullen, grumpy, often very weighed down. It can take me a couple of hours to shake that mood off. It struck me recently (which is very obvious, really) that *that's* the version of myself I need to sit with and understand. There's a Larkin poem where he talks about trying to 'blank out whatever's doing the damage': if this is where I feel the damage most keenly, then I guess I should sit with it, try to understand it. Not to blank it out, ofc, but to know it better. Survive it.

I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Friday, 19 September 2025 21:59 (eight months ago)

one month passes...

kinda went looking at other threads about spirituality / meditation, but i think this one fits me best right now.

i'm still just chugging along with my practice and it just keeps offering more and more. i find myself able to really go deeper into all kinds of moments. and, crucially, albeit slowly, i'm starting to be, more often, outside of the small shell i've habitually retreated into whenever i'm feeling overwhelmed. i feel relaxed more often. i'm able to relax with more decisiveness.

i'm also starting to notice that a lot of barriers i have up when it comes to being around other people are dissolving. there is still a lot there but i notice little pieces floating away. there was a moment i had yesterday in the car when the thought occurred to me "we are all god's children." i used to hate that phrase. it was used as a sunday school cudgel in my experience. super corny. but it just struck me like lightning the other day. realizing that i believe it's true. in the way that the infinite variety and aliveness of people, really the fact that they are, is always an extension of god. everyone is an extension of god. and was and will be. their suffering and their joy. now, i'm noticing just how much i don't act like this is true sometimes, and i can even shake off the habit of judging people by coming back to the present. the feeling of freedom in believing it hit like... a bubble popping, maybe.

she freaks, she speaks (map), Saturday, 8 November 2025 00:18 (six months ago)

Love you dearly map, but it's weird to see mention of god in the Buddhism thread!

I've been struggling a bit. I've been attending some regular reading group sessions for the last couple of years and only recently realised I was on a pathway towards becoming a mitra. It's a relatively minor commitment as things go, but I'm resistant to it. It would mean consciously committing to the five precepts, which is one thing, and some community commitments, like helping out a bit more at the centre. I dunno, I feel weird about it.

I think it's partly not wanting to be part of any club that wants me, some good old-fashioned 'commitment issues' and something more nebulous, like not wanting to shut down other areas of intellectual interest in my life. I think I will ultimately go for it, as I know how good the dharma is for me, but it's weird to notice resistance in my meditation. These are often physical in nature, particularly in longer meditations - like I want to get up and leave. I'll also experience weird spacey intervals afterwards, and heavy tiredness. I'll work it out.

I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Monday, 10 November 2025 21:38 (six months ago)

I think for Americans like me, who were not raised in an aggressively Christian household, a phrase such as "we are all god's children" can utilize "god" as a kind of shorthand for that which both encompasses and surpasses the knowable and is immanent in all things. fwiw, any insight into the true nature of reality is far more valuable than the words attached to it. In matters like these words are stumblebums.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 11 November 2025 00:40 (six months ago)

i don't think that's universal, I was also not raised in an aggressively Christian household but "god" and all that still had weird creepy jesus baggage for me.

brimstead, Tuesday, 11 November 2025 02:39 (six months ago)

My meditation teacher has me switching to the Five Remembrances for the last part of my morning practice

I am subject to old age ... I am not beyond old age

I am subject to illness ... I am not beyond illness

I am subject to death ... I am not beyond death

I will be separated from everything and everyone dear to me

My deeds are my closest companions, the ground that I stand on

Feels like it should have some juice, right? You're gonna die, you're going to lose your parents and your wife and everyone you care about ... I just can't make it spark though. Empty phrases for me most of the time.

disco stabbing horror (lukas), Friday, 21 November 2025 05:57 (six months ago)

perhaps just think of all the people who would give anything for any one of those phrases to ring "empty"

budo jeru, Friday, 21 November 2025 06:19 (six months ago)

;)

budo jeru, Friday, 21 November 2025 06:21 (six months ago)

I like these teachings. They correspond to what happens to most of us when we live that long, and a preparation of the mind towards these events is a good thing.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 21 November 2025 10:33 (six months ago)

I’m nearing the end of my Buddhism and Psychology class, which has been invaluable. Like any good class, I’m leaving having learned a little, but having become much more aware of how much I don’t know. About a month ago I devoted my periodic mushroom trips to asking “what does my version of enlightenment look like” and things got a bit real - I feel like I much better understand what it means to live from a place of equanimity and compassion, and how awareness supports that. And I’ve started making some changes, like curbing certain compulsive habits (caveat: these have just been replaced by other compulsive habits). But I also feel lost, and in a slump with meditation. It’s going to be a process, and I think finding the right kind of guidance will be key.

ed.b, Friday, 21 November 2025 14:25 (six months ago)

lukas those remembrances seem valuable, they're true, and xyz otm too.

a phrase such as "we are all god's children" can utilize "god" as a kind of shorthand for that which both encompasses and surpasses the knowable and is immanent in all things.

aimless i appreciate this - yeah that's what i mean. words shuffle in and out. i use the word as shorthand. i of all people should hate christian words. i'm a gay man who survived a fundamentalist christian cult. my mother was sexually abused by her father and hated herself and everyone else for it. the poison of patriarchy is very real to me. as far as people using "god" in a false way, like as some kind of idol used to justify all kinds of stupid shit, usually as part of a religious organization, i can usually suss that out. basically i'm reclaiming the language that was given meaning to me as a young person. i don't feel super motivated to learn a new language just to describe the diy, personal relationship i maintain and develop with mysterious presence, and the experience of opening my eyes to it.

jennyTina (map), Friday, 21 November 2025 15:12 (six months ago)

plus it's a cool word! i like the sound of it. and it's dog spelled backwards.

jennyTina (map), Friday, 21 November 2025 15:16 (six months ago)

all otm

Slouching Towards Benylin (Noodle Vague), Friday, 21 November 2025 15:18 (six months ago)

btw, on this thread it's of paramount importance to me to give to others, so i will probably not used that word so much - don't want to throw sand in anyone's eyes just because i use the word privately. usually there's some aspect of god i'm thinking of and it's more useful to be specific anyway.

jennyTina (map), Friday, 21 November 2025 15:21 (six months ago)

It's all good. I was a dick for mentioning it the way I did, tbh!

Fwiw though, I don't think it's pedantic to say it does feel weird to hear it in a Buddhist thread, where the very essence of the system is explicitly anti-theistic and in which the central figure is just a bloke who said 'this is open to everyone', no need for deities* etc. This is prolly my hang-up, though.

*Someone will know way more about this than me, but as I understand it, the frankly bonkers array of deities in certain parts of Mahayana Buddhism is very much a reflection of the expansion into Tibet in the 7th century and the absorption of the local Bon religion.

I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Friday, 21 November 2025 16:12 (six months ago)

And Ed, I hear you. I think meditation is a difficult commitment, and there are extended periods when it can feel rote and directionless. Hang in there; try to avoid placing too much pressure on it to achieve anything immediate. It's a lifelong pursuit, so try and trust in the process

I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Friday, 21 November 2025 16:19 (six months ago)

i'm no pro. my exposure to theravada stuff and my limited learning of the pre-buddhism roots for buddhism-- it's both quite religious and quite supernatural to which i have some aversion. and in fact a buddhist core message for the liberation from delusion to arahat (more present in theravada that mahayana in my exposure) is pretty specific about it. i mean, dharma is law, not an intentional being. but there's karma and blessed realms and returners and non-returners along the way. as as i note before, my limited exposure to pali canon provided me a LOT of great grounding for my soto zen location. what are you doing when you sit? why? for me now it's like: hunt3r-- look you can learn all of this stuff and principles. satisfied? nice. but that's delusion too. now forget them. count your fucking breaths. forget your ideas. see things as they are.

beige accent rug (Hunt3r), Friday, 21 November 2025 18:12 (six months ago)

Empty phrases for me most of the time

this is understandable. it is difficult for these realities to find their way into one's consciousness until they are thrust in our faces, through our own chronic ill health, or watching those we love most age, sicken and die. but it has value at all times to hold these truths before us, even when they lack a definitive shape. they will certainly become more real to you in the fullness of time.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 21 November 2025 18:28 (six months ago)

I was watching Shaolin vs Lama yesterday and I thought it must be strange to live in a society where Buddhism is the state religion. Must be quite a contrast to a Christian State

Minty Gum (Latham Green), Friday, 21 November 2025 20:27 (six months ago)

Xp Aimless that’s wonderfully put. I wanted to say something similar and you said it so much better than I know how to.

About “god”, I agree with Aimless! I also agree with brimstead if that’s possible. Guess it must be. I think I agree with Chinaski, too.

basically i'm reclaiming the language that was given meaning to me as a young person. i don't feel super motivated to learn a new language just to describe the diy, personal relationship i maintain and develop with mysterious presence, and the experience of opening my eyes to it.

The limitation of this is you can’t really inhabit the mindset of another culture if you approach other belief systems through a network of correspondences to the one you already know. One reason learning about other cultures is wonderful and valuable is gaining perspectives we never considered before, as opposed to things we’ve been hearing all our lives and just never understood. Keeping in mind and acknowledging, of course, that you’re someone who afaict constantly pushes yourself to grow in ways that I don’t: I see the language as an opportunity to grow my awareness. New words offer a whole new (to me) framework for understanding reality and experience. And I think it’s fair to object to the word “god”, even as a kind of shorthand, to the extent that it projects a conceptual view onto another belief system that isn’t there.

I recognize the “holistic” nature of map’s approach as an important context here. AIUI, his approach encompasses modalities such as exercise, intimacy, degrowth actions and time outdoors as well as religious faith and meditation in a way that all these things bleed into each other, and encompass a greater whole. Maybe half of those are ingredients in my own gumbo lol. Personally, I would like there to be an “eclectic spirituality” thread of some kind, mostly because I would be more likely to respond to posts like map’s if I felt free to do so with zero regard to Buddhism. OTOH, there’s a quorum here that I’m not sure such a thread would achieve.

Labubu phalloplasty (Deflatormouse), Saturday, 22 November 2025 03:03 (six months ago)

I would like there to be an “eclectic spirituality” thread of some kind, mostly because I would be more likely to respond to posts like map’s if I felt free to do so with zero regard to Buddhism. OTOH, there’s a quorum here that I’m not sure such a thread would achieve.

This thread might serve as a representative of attempting to start a similar thread: C/D: "I'm not religious but I am spiritual."

You can judge how well it worked at the time. A new start might achieve a different result, but who knows unless you try?

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 22 November 2025 03:13 (six months ago)

Right, that thread might be what I was thinking of when i said that about the quorum :)

I’m up for starting a new one when i have time to put down something more than a placeholder in the OP!

Labubu phalloplasty (Deflatormouse), Saturday, 22 November 2025 03:38 (six months ago)

it's kind of funny, i kind of feel like i'm at a point where i'd describe myself as religious but not spiritual

budo jeru, Saturday, 22 November 2025 03:48 (six months ago)

i appreciate hearing people's thoughts. i like you guys. i'll admit to feeling a little frustrated. i guess maybe i want to ask for something. as aimless points out, the last time there was a "spiritual" thread it was a real success lol. part of the issue is that people are here because they're into words and thinking and being real smart and they tend to be suspicious of things that slip away from those things. anyway i don't really want to start a new eclectic spirituality thread population of one.

anyway, what i want to ask is .. maybe if i could post to this thread about my spiritual life without having people feel the need to translate what i'm saying into buddhist scripture. sure it's called Buddhism but are we really that attached to the title? maybe we are. i'll be honest i always thought thread police were a huge drag. i'm going to be quite frank without hopefully being harsh but i don't fucking care about buddhism. i don't fucking care about christianity. i don't do religion in my life to go on a fucking culture tour or study some social organ that obscures the fact that it's just another man-made institution like any other. the last thing in the world i want is to recreate a fucking college class in my day to day life. and look up fucking words. sure i'm curious about other cultures, maybe some day i'll have the money to actually visit one, in-person, because i don't learn things any other way any more.

i do religion to feel god. oh no! god. the actual reality of being. nameless, unnameable. i sit for 20 minutes morning and night and feel god. that's what i do. that's my modality. or whatever. i'm frustrated. i can't seem to share this stuff anywhere. it's completely transformed me. i have a spark that softens everything. my sadness finally feels like it plays a part... like i know the part that it plays. i see the picture by having a reference point placed outside of myself. in the ever-shifting unnameable fractal presence.

so.. is it possible for me to share what's happening to me in this thread without yall buddhist scholars getting pedantic? and like maybe if something i say resonates with some personal experience you have... you could share that instead? in the interest of connection, not separation. isn't that the whole point of these religions anyway? oh wait, it actually isn't the point of them at all, they are meant to obscure everything and they feed off of individual spiritual energy like vampires. religions are full of know-it-alls. that shit is completely beside the point.

like, wouldn't it be so much more magical to hear about the elemental nature of someone's personal practice without having to validate against professional religious organizations and dip into jargon that only obscures? i mean that's what i just assumed. who wouldn't think that?

anyway if that's not the case and people want to keep the buddism thread for buddhism tm it's honestly no biggie, maybe i'll save it for my journal and the few people in my life who might be able to offer me something in return.

jennyTina (map), Saturday, 22 November 2025 04:37 (six months ago)

buddhism is a way of looking at all things and those very things. share them. i think people will hear you.

beige accent rug (Hunt3r), Saturday, 22 November 2025 05:11 (six months ago)

xp every time i post to this thread i feel like i have to tip-toe around the language i want to use, or over-explain it, like there is some authority i have to not upset. honestly i think i'm done. it matters too much for me to do that. i don't think this forum is a good place to share the intimacy of my spiritual life. and while i'm a little frustrated by the response in this last revive, i don't fault anyone here for it. it's just not the place. i'll be clear: i like all of you and there's nothing anyone has to apologize for, so please don't do that, you and i both are above the need for unnecessary apologies. i'll continue being my message board poster self here and you all do the same, see you in other threads and peace.

jennyTina (map), Saturday, 22 November 2025 05:13 (six months ago)

peace. make that place, or share it here and make it here— both are good imo.

i too disliked obscurantist stuff that it can seem soaked in.

beige accent rug (Hunt3r), Saturday, 22 November 2025 05:35 (six months ago)

I struggle with the obscure elements too but, equally, I'm reading and discussing it a lot at the moment and it's nice to have somewhere to thrash it out. It's interesting how much it's part of my inner (and now outer, clearly) discourse and how I can be a bit overbearing with it on the internet!

Like Hunt3r said, there's room for all of it. Peace.

I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Saturday, 22 November 2025 09:18 (six months ago)

Map i appreciate the clarification that you were already using this thread as a de facto “eclectic spirituality” thread, and that resolves any concern i had about use of “god”

In light of this, i can understand how you felt like the response to your revive was some heavy handed gatekeeping.
But from where i stand it was ambiguous and necessary to clarify. Maybe i should have just asked but I’m not that smart :)

Labubu phalloplasty (Deflatormouse), Saturday, 22 November 2025 12:57 (six months ago)

chinaski, deflatormouse and hunter - you guys were really kind in your responses.

for the record, i basically want to take back everything i said in my posts from four days ago!

like, i don't actually think that religions and religious traditions aren't valuable. i think they can be very valuable guides and catalysts.

it took some correspondence with someone close to me to realize that.

anyway, i do still want to share meditation stuff in this thread. i also want to be more curious about actual buddhism!

map, Wednesday, 26 November 2025 16:21 (five months ago)

Had seen reports of the violence, and yesterday got to make my way through this piece on the extremist side.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2025/nov/25/the-dangerous-rise-of-buddhist-extremism-attaining-nirvana-can-wait

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 26 November 2025 17:49 (five months ago)

It's simple enough. Institutions and their power can be entrenched, threatened, fearful, and reactive. Enlightenment cannot be any of those things. Without enlightenment there is no Buddha and no buddhism, only human suffering.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 26 November 2025 18:19 (five months ago)

I'm reminded of the Japanese militarization of Buddhism described in Brian Victoria's Zen at War, mentioned way upthread

Brad C., Wednesday, 26 November 2025 18:21 (five months ago)

map no worries on my part. i felt only a little frustrated on your behalf i think.

beige accent rug (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 26 November 2025 21:37 (five months ago)

I've been rereading Zen Mind, Beginner's Mind lately, and there's a surprising-to-me amount of mentions of God in it. You should totally talk about whatever in this thread, map.

servoret, Thursday, 27 November 2025 05:07 (five months ago)

one month passes...

Three weeks in east/southeast asia, occasionally checking out temples, has made me realize how little my flirtations with buddhist ideas overlap with the IRL buddhist tradition. But I also feel more pulled to the ideas I do read about, and recognize that my hurdles/discontent in pursuing them is part of the process of figuring out a path that’s not a recipe. Most notably, time away has made me wonder if “I fell out of my meditation habit when things got rough” might really be “things got rough when I fell out of my meditation habit.” There’s not much I’m looking forward to doing when I get home from this vacation tomorrow, but I am looking forward to meditating regularly. It’s not going to save me from the winter or going into the office, but I think it’s what I need most.

ed.b, Tuesday, 13 January 2026 10:09 (four months ago)

I've recently been trying this "moving mediation" my friend was telling me about.
I guess it's mostly about being "present" (don't really like that term) while being active.
I'm finding it works best while cleaning, doing dishes, or other mundane chores like that.
I try to focus on the process of the task and keep any thoughts out.
I focus on the control of my movement, the visual, and the tactile.
I just started, and it's not as easy as it sounds, but it seems like an easy way to work meditation into a routine.

As a side benefit, I can see it's helping with my procrastination already.
Simple tasks don't seem as daunting to get started. They also don't get boring because I'm not thinking.

nicky lo-fi, Tuesday, 13 January 2026 14:54 (four months ago)

oh these are beautiful updates.

It’s not going to save me from the winter or going into the office, but I think it’s what I need most.

yeah, i really feel this one.

I've recently been trying this "moving mediation" my friend was telling me about.

my partner does moving meditation on walks. that's his main form of meditation. it seems to have really helped him be able to ground himself in other moments too.

i was a little dogmatic to myself about my regular daily practice for a while. i did one recently where it was the middle of the afternoon and i was so tired that i could barely stay awake. i think it was still worth it even though i wanted to check out completely and kept thinking "how much longer?" and "i can't wait to take a nap" haha.

honestly though i love my practice even though every once in a while it feels like "another thing i gotta do on a list of 7". that set-aside, dedicated time to check in. it feels like dipping my spirit in a hot tub. a spiritual recharge. it's a good, pleasurable feeling! emptying out, going to quiet, going to zero and to void and then feeling the northern lights of it. i was telling friends recently that every once in a while it can be almost too much. things can get intense. that's usually not how it goes for me though. the past few times it's been drifting away in thought for 70% of the time and then noticing and coming back to presence the other 30%. gentle presence. which is what i need right now i guess!

map, Tuesday, 13 January 2026 17:24 (four months ago)


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