Uk General Election 2010: The Results Thread

Here we go...

Andrew Neill is apparently on top of The London Eye.

Or here we put head in hands!

Andrew Neil is the worst

BBC or ITV?

enjoying this high intensity music. hope it's on all night.

Watching 2010 Vine at the same time as 2008 Nadir Of All Television Cowboy Vine. Fuck you; I only watch double election coverage.

itv?

hung parliament

HUNG PARLIAMENT O SHI

Exit Poll: Hung Parliament

LD 59, damn son

Lib Dems lose seats???

Disaster for the libs?

hung parliament + LDs have a bad night

i know this is an exit poll, but can i just lol at 538 predicting 120 LD seats or whatever it was

This is what happens when you make an election about whether or not the public wants a Conservative government rather than whether they want to be led by Lab or LD.

255+59 = working coalition btw

I don't believe that - I think the Tories will get there, based on that

Exit polls sounds likes bollocks really dunnit? Don't think their model was up to it (he said hopefully).

29 is what, 5 plaid cymru and 7 snp, 3 sdlp + the conservative regional parties

whose model? the exit poll model?

sunderland south = banter

307 + 8 Ulster Unionists = 315. 255 + 59 = 314. Fuck.

314 + 7 SNP + 5 plaid cymru + 3 SDLP

or whatever it is

basically this is about as hung as parliaments get, if this is what happens

^^^ uh huh

This could be very interesing...

Michael Gove looks like something from a 1950s schoolboy comic. Or that picture of Don Knotts Enid draws in Ghost World.

these two already dropping coalition bargaining point hints

it's 7 SNP + 3 plaid cymru + 3 SDLP by the way, or it was. 8 DUP.

Comes down to the Nats and the crazies then

did anyone predict that the Lib Dems would lose seats?! puts them in a pretty poor bargaining position if true. Ooh here's Vince Cable

314 + 7 SNP + 5 plaid cymru + 3 SDLP
― caek, Thursday, May 6, 2010 9:04 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

the human centipede

exit polls have historically been pretty good, but a significant third party complicates things i guess. cable is saying they don't count postal votes too, and postal voting dorks like me skew lib dem.

lolool xp

Cable seems shook

Fuck off mackem indie box carriers

did greens get brighton in the exit poll?

Also buts Clegg in a bad position especially if it is the lefty wing of the LDs that dominates the new mix

Greens unlikely to figure in the exit poll

which others, vine you cunt?

exit poll targets ~110 marginal seats

including brigton pavilion and norwich

they are in the poll

but the bbc aren't reporting how the others breakdown, which is kind of retarded given how important the others may be

wouldn't be good psephology to make a prediction one seat in Brighton on a small sample in one ward in brighton?

Here's lovely radiant Sophie Raworth.

I'd be stunned if the Greens didn't take Brighton Pavilion, considering how the narrative has been going for them.

exit polls work like this: http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/2689

"Legislation will mean such agreements can only be broken by an enhanced majority of the House of Commons."

I think this means they are trying to insert clauses that mean that these changes can only be undone by, e.g. 2/3 majorities, which sounds like a terrible idea to me. Nothing to do with votes of confidence tho.

"these changes" = AV and fixed terms

are ppl still thinking this will dissolve within a year?

yeah i imagine it's like a congressional supermajority ish

fucking loathesome rly

xp yes. everyone involved seems to be in a pretty good mood tonight, but it won't last.

i mean i can kind of see why you could make a case that changes like this, which are meant to take the "politics" out of the way the voting system works, should be particularly difficult to undo. but it seems like a really bad idea to try this on given even their own supporters hate them at the moment tho.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/may/11/election-conservatives-cameron-campaign-lessons-failures

are ppl still thinking this will dissolve within a year?

― nakhchivan, Wednesday, May 12, 2010 12:59 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

they must be. i am. i simply can't see the membership of either party swallowing this. there will already be tory backbenchers tearing out their hair over it.

lots of tories already pissed off to fuck about the number of appts LibDems are getting.

A Three Line Whip is a strict instruction to attend and vote in a particular way, breach of which could have serious consequences; binding for both attendance and voting. Non-attendance permission can be given by the whip, but a serious reason is needed. Breach of a three-line whip can lead to expulsion from the parliamentary political group in extreme circumstances, and may lead to expulsion from the party. Consequently, three-line whips are generally only issued on key issues, such as votes of confidence and supply. The nature of three line whips and the potential punishments for revolt varies dramatically among parties and legislatures. (The phrase a 'three lined whip' has been adopted into the workplace with employers often putting a 'three lined whip' on meetings.

how could the libdems extricate themselves....even if they somehow dissolved the coalition they wd get fucked in any election, or they'd could allow a tory minority govt i suppose? their 'credibility' wd be destroyed either way

tory civil war wd be likelier cause of downfall maybe

In British politics, the Chief Whip of the governing party in the House of Commons is usually appointed as Parliamentary Secretary to the Treasury so that the incumbent, who represents the whips in general, has a seat and a voice in the Cabinet. By virtue of holding the office of Parliamentary Secretary to the Treasury, the Government Chief Whip has an official residence at 12 Downing Street.

^^^ isn't this the job vince cable is supposed to have got? he doesn't seem like the type.

a fixed term arrangement would just about make sense under FPTP. but in a coalition govt -- a situation made almost inevitable by the kinds of reforms the LDs want -- it can't work.

they have it in germany

Germany, New South Wales, and the Australian Capital Territory (ACT) have semi-fixed terms in that dissolution at any time in mid-term is allowed only to resolve a serious deadlock. In Germany, in 1982-83 and again in 1998, the incumbent Chancellor manipulated this provision by arranging for MPs from his own side to support a no-confidence motion, so he could obtain an early election. The German Constitutional Court allowed this manoeuvre but warned that it might block a future dissolution of the Bundestag that went against the spirit of the German constitution.

lol

cable apparently responsible for banking and... something

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2010/03/160-reform-election-fixed

Fixed terms work well in presidential systems such as France and the US, where the president's position is not dependent on the support of the legislature.

But in Britain, where the executive and the legislature are merged, the prime minister (as in the case of Jim Callaghan and John Major) struggles to govern without a parliamentary majority.

Callaghan was forced to hold an election after his government lost a vote of no confidence in 1979. There would be nothing to prevent such votes taking place under a fixed-term system, meaning that elections could be held more frequently than every four or five years.

Indeed, in Germany, chancellors such as Helmut Kohl have used "constructive votes of no confidence" to trigger an election at the most convenient moment for the government.

Thus, the only way to ensure genuine fixed-term parliaments is to fully separate the executive from the legislature. As a republican, I'm all in favour of this, but I fear it's still just a little too bold for this government.

the whole thing looks deranged but the cameron junta may come to tolerate the libdems as a sort of well-mannered parasite

by what processes could the tory rank-and-file bring about its end?

cable business and banking

oh shit they're already crushing dissent

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/may/11/david-cameron-poster-police

they have it in germany

this isn't a great recommendation to me, and no-one has come up with an argument *for* it, that says why our present flexible system isn't workable.

the staggers guy is just one of jason cowley's mates; no-one writing for that magazine has a clue about anything.

Thus, the only way to ensure genuine fixed-term parliaments is to fully separate the executive from the legislature.

uh, kinda need to go back and explain why a fixed-term parliament is s0 worth having that the entire constitution needs to be overhauled.

"they have it in germany" was a response to "it can't work", not me saying its a good idea.

wonder if ken clarke is still in or around the cabinet, if cable is business and banking

...

don't feel good about this whole thing, sinking in now

the idea of a five-year tory reich...

seeing the coalition tear itself to bits will be some consolation

ken clarke was being talked about for chancellor, but i guess not

Rejoined Labour and feeling rather good about it.

don't mention the class war

seeing the coalition tear itself to bits will be some consolation

i keep catching myself trying to feel some comfort in smugly thinking, HA, i can't wait until [the party i voted for] finds out they [aren't getting shit] and the country falls apart. see how [i'll] like it the.n

Osbourne at Treasury most depressing thing of all right now.

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I feel the same except the first brackets = THE LIB DEMS and the third brackets = MIDDLE CLASS CONCERN TROLLS

There will not be another election until May 2015 unless a vote of no confidence in the Government is passed by an 'enhanced majority' of Parliament. It is not yet clear what the enhanced majority would be but it could be two-thirds or three quarters of MPs.

So a government now couldn't be brought down unless its own MPs voted against itself? That's never going to happen. V. sinister and worrying.

yep. how the hell is this liberal? the five-year term is strictly for desperados hoping for one last upturn before it all falls apart: major in '97, brown in '10. making it permanent sucks.

That sounds completely fucked but if the LDs rebel (and I'm not holding my breath) then the gov wouldn't have a majority and wouldn't be able to pass anything anyway, so what would be the point of dragging that on? I suppose this is all under the guise of "stable" government?

They're talking 55%. 360 votes required to eject a Government. That's not going to get past the Lords, surely?

Unless the cons are thinking of killing of opposition MPs until they have a working majority...nah, that would never fly with the LDs surely?

yep. how the hell is this liberal?

I think you're getting confused. This is a Conservative government. I heard them say it on Sky this morning.

A safe minority of 290 or above!

http://mydavidcameron.com/images/clegg1a.jpg

Needs a mashup with "because I am a cunt"

time for change?

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dur

DEM not gonna CON dis NATION: ROLLING UK POLITICS IN THE SHORT-LIVED CLEGGERON ERA

Looking forward to Lib Dems getting 0 votes in Thirsk and Malton so I can laugh. Though given that Tories outpoll everyone else put together there, s'pose nothing very funny is going to happen.

General concensus on GBrown's final speech seems to be "Blimey, his boys are cute.. If he'd brought them out earlier, he'd have won the election no problem..."

OTOH politicians using their kids as pandering tools = BAD and fullest marks to the Browns for not doing this.

Oh for sure.

General concensus on GBrown's final speech seems to be "Blimey, his boys are cute.. If he'd brought them out earlier, he'd have won the election no problem..."

And been absolutely hammered by the Tory press for cynically using his children for political purposes. He literally couldn't win.

DEM not gonna CON dis NATION: ROLLING UK POLITICS IN THE SHORT-LIVED CLEGGERON ERA

Still, hell of an exit, dude.

Think we should use the other thread from now on, this one's huge.

PS, Tories out.