Carrie Bradshaw's boyfriends poll (and/or rate them)

i love you.

this is obv mr big hands down winner

jack.

just cos i related to him the most.

best dude- aidan

best for carrie - berger

damn i think i just blew my cover

Misread this as Carrie Brownstein...always thought she was pretty hot.
http://gallery.i-see-sound.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=2662&g2_serialNumber=3

haha

i think my answer is close to yours darraghmac

xp

ugh berger was such a DOUCHE

p sure all the straight dudes are going berger on this?

he was all emotionally incompetent and "clever"

EXACKLY

love it when mr big calls berger "hot dog"

preferred John Corbett to Chris Noth

didnt stick around for Baryshnikov, and who was Jack Berger?

I'm reporting you to the Dis Ting crew, darragh.

I voted Aleksandr but now I've changed my mind to Berger. Anyone but that jerk Aidan, though.

ron livingstone (dude from office space)

xpost

baryshnikov can suck my dick, what a pompous fuckwad

write in vote for john slattery

berger:

http://www.ica.org.uk/thumbnail.php?max=408&id=5101

oh no, wait

http://sharetv.org/images/sex_and_the_city/cast/large/jack_berger.jpg

this poll reminded me of how i ruined a date i had when i got into a convo about SATC
i was telling her that i was annoyed how all the guys were basically sidelined and made into arm candy/insignificant characters (eg - big) in the film (this was when it had just come out).
she didnt say anything but you could just tell she was thinking 'sexist git' from her face.
i think that fast tracked me to the facebook-friendzone.

but anyway, my point still stands. that film really did a number on these guys. big especially was made into a virtual puppet.

not a good look for a guy called mr big.

big never had any kind of character iirc

just kind of a smug, rich, dick

but i don't think he was meant to be/should have been anything more than that

i think he had a lot of character, actually -- his whole thing was character. he was always kind of a big muppet -- all charm, goofiness and love.

big was better than aidan. he was too much of a DIY advert.

big got his own back in the episode I was mandatory-companion-viewer to last night, actually.

I'm w/Morbz on this

big never had any kind of character iirc

just kind of a smug, rich, dick

^^^this

p sure all the straight dudes are going berger on this?

― English: The Money Woman (history mayne), Friday, May 28, 2010 10:11 AM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

p sure no straight dude would vote in this poll

I am aaaaaaaawweeeeessssssoooooommmmmmeeeee

well there aren't any women here yet

p sure no straight dude would vote in this poll

it's a fair cop guv

me: what would you say to the question "did mr big have character"

my friend: i would say
abso-fucking-lutely

big was a dude. he was too good for that drama-loving hussy imo

burger least lame

everyone agrees that best bf/husband of SATC is Steve, right?

big was the kind of man that can take a girl out and make her the happiest girl in the world. aidan's the kind of man that ... wears turqoise

omg i love steeeeeeeeve

wkiw steve

donald duck voice

voted big cuz he's the only one of these guys *i'd* go out with. (he's still a jerk though, sigh.)

also, for the whole "double life as a law & order detective" thing.

ugh aidan was all "i'm havin a baby" man

dweeb

donald duck voice

― jed_, Friday, May 28, 2010 4:35 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

really though

is it kind of snobby to think this?

miranda clearly the only tolerable satc woman tho

Steve is a mole rat

would beat him to death with a baseball bat, if possible

Big would be next

such hostility

everyone loves Smith tho

who?

or "Aidan" rather

apart from Moody Blues citation, never recall him every mentioning any old music or any old movies of any kind (unless you mean he generically said "I like old movies!" during some episode). I will give you "takes his mother to church", dunno what's appealing about that exactly (mama's boy?)

― in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, May 28, 2010 5:24 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

uh, then your'e just not paying attention. he's made multiple references to frank sinatra and henry mancini, and he's generally known for appreciating classics, as commented on more than once by carrie. the movies thing is more a revelation in the SATC movies than the show, i'll give you that much.

and i don't know what's NOT appealing about a guy who knows how to take care of his family.

I seriously hate this show and haven't watched it in years but I have a serious thing for John Corbett so Aiden.

The same with me (except that I like SaTC), though I'd definitely prefer John Corbett of Northern Exposure or My Big Fat Greek Wedding over Aidan.

Yeah. Northern Exposure John Corbett was the best, I think. I only really ever watched SatC when Aidan was on it tbh.

uh, then your'e just not paying attention. he's made multiple references to frank sinatra and henry mancini

really adventurous tastes there - but yeah I don't recall him ever getting that specific

like find me a guy that age who DOESN'T like Frank Sinatra.

nobody said it was adventurous...

but yes, he did get that specific

and i don't know what's NOT appealing about a guy who knows how to take care of his family.

I know this may not matter to you but FYI most women are not so into men with intensely close relationships with their mothers

i was telling her that i was annoyed how all the guys were basically sidelined and made into arm candy/insignificant characters (eg - big) in the film (this was when it had just come out).

Total truth bomb and the #1 reason why the movie basically sucked.

Mr. Big wins this poll by a mile.

um i think women appreciate a guy who takes care of his mother. nobody said anything about "intensely close"

i don't even remember this episode and mr. big grosses me out (sorry surm <3) but it is nice when people care for their aging parents.

think he was kind of a fantasy figure made flesh + the idea of her marrying him was really sillie

he's made multiple references to frank sinatra and henry mancini, and he's generally known for appreciating classics

so he's michael buble. fuck that guy.

lol @ my morning right now

everything about Big just screams I AM CONVENTIONAL STRAIGHT RICH WHITE MAN in like 50-foot-high neon letters, with all the smugness and selfishness and boredom-inducing vomitrociousness that that implies. why a flighty, supposedly "sophisticated" boho girl like Carrie would be interested in him - beyond pure gold-diggerism - never made any sense to me.

mr big

not really that boho

none of them have any interest in anything except themselves

i think mr. big would have worked better as a fantasy if chris noth hadn't gotten all rough in the face due to hard living or whatever

No, it's totally a Thing. I watched it over and over with my super rich white republican dude brother and his arty boho girlfriends.

Like those arty girlfriends are usually escaping from the same background and looking for the approval for their arty boho-ness from the boyfriends that are secretly just like their dads. And the rich white dudes who threw off all of their dreams for an arty boho escape in order to keep up appearances and make lots of money appreciate the edge that the boho chicks give them.

not really that boho

yeah agree it's more like she thinks of herself this way for some reason, but doesn't actually live it (apart from occasional weed smoking)

none of them have any interest in anything except themselves

sad but true

xxp carrie looking good by season 4 it's true

lol okay yeah Kate I can see that

a) he's witty and smart -- Carrie loves those types of guys (this is why she wouldn't marry Aidan, he's an earthy guy who likes to stay home a lot, i.e. too "simple" for Carrie)

b) Mr. Big was a "project" and Carrie always saw herself as a "project" (a complex character who wasn't always easy to love)

xposts to Shakey

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

lol so this show isn't very popular around here eh

more like I'm amazed at how popular this show is around here

fucking loved jack berger. bit when he talks about the wrong choice of flower as a gift being a deal-breaker and "if i wasn't wearing the right pants i wouldn't be here" he was so OTM. Then they had to make him unable to deal with carrie's success & so callow that he dumped her by post-it. yuck. sex and the misandry.

big especially was made into a virtual puppet.

Ha, I was just talking about this with someone the other day. I wouldn't use the word "sidelined," though, because it's basically the exact same situation as the trophy girl to win in generic stuff about men. Like the trophy is only allowed to have two types of qualities: things that signify they're desirable, and things that make them a challenge. And Big is completely limited to those things -- he's wealthy and powerful and tall and good-looking (therefore allegedly worth it), and then he does a bunch of generic guyish stuff that makes him a challenge (therefore plot). His "challenge" stuff isn't even very interesting -- it's not like there are interesting reasons he's unavailable, he's usually just literally unavailable. (Moves away, gets married, etc.)

On some level you could say the same about Carrie, actually. Like the main characters in such things aren't allowed to have specific personalities and characteristics, because they're supposed to be surrogates for you-the-viewer and the concept of you-the-viewer wanting something. (If they had specifics, you might not relate/desire anymore.) And then everyone around them is nothing BUT quirky specifics. I'm fairly sure most people don't experience the world this way at all, but there's all this TV and film constantly suggesting to us that it's a reasonable way to experience life.

xpost - haha that was kind of an issue with Berger -- like he had enough actual character traits that they could have found a half-plausible dramatic reason for them not to work! And instead he just got weird and bitter/jealous about her success. Despite the fact that he was a respected writer of literary fiction and she writes a sex column, and it is EXTREMELY DIFFICULT to imagine a lit-fic writer being all personally bitter that a sex columnist is more successful than him -- like he's the one novel-writer who never noticed this dynamic? And compares his success/worth to collections of sex columns?? And then dates sex columnists anyway??? It made zero sense.

ha, exactly.

on a side note my use of the word misandry was in jest, i know it's silly.

more like I'm amazed at how popular this show is around here

real talk. i watched more episodes of this than i should've but no idea who this berger dude is.

he's the guy from Office Space. I think he was in a grand total of 3 episodes

he is ron livingston, prince among men. i have a total man-crush on him.

I can't remember any Berger either. And if he was only in 3 episodes, shouldn't this poll have also included the jazz player guy with the pork pie hat?

SATC = forgettable sludge.

Thanks for that precious opinion.

and it is EXTREMELY DIFFICULT to imagine a lit-fic writer being all personally bitter that a sex columnist is more successful than him

I don't know about that. He got dropped by his publisher at a time when her book was really successful. And she had the neck to give him notes on his next book. I could see her coming to embody an entire way of life and value system that would be loathsome to a guy like Berger. It's just a pity he didn't get a spinoff series where we could see him realise the lucky escape he'd had.

Ha, I was just talking about this with someone the other day. I wouldn't use the word "sidelined," though, because it's basically the exact same situation as the trophy girl to win in generic stuff about men. Like the trophy is only allowed to have two types of qualities: things that signify they're desirable, and things that make them a challenge. And Big is completely limited to those things -- he's wealthy and powerful and tall and good-looking (therefore allegedly worth it), and then he does a bunch of generic guyish stuff that makes him a challenge (therefore plot). His "challenge" stuff isn't even very interesting -- it's not like there are interesting reasons he's unavailable, he's usually just literally unavailable. (Moves away, gets married, etc.)

On some level you could say the same about Carrie, actually. Like the main characters in such things aren't allowed to have specific personalities and characteristics, because they're supposed to be surrogates for you-the-viewer and the concept of you-the-viewer wanting something. (If they had specifics, you might not relate/desire anymore.) And then everyone around them is nothing BUT quirky specifics. I'm fairly sure most people don't experience the world this way at all, but there's all this TV and film constantly suggesting to us that it's a reasonable way to experience life.

― oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Friday, June 4, 2010 12:30 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark

i understand the concept of Big as a virtual puppet, but his unavailability is accounted for in more ways than his moving across the country, or marrying the wrong woman. there is a constant back and forth between he and Carrie on the matter of emotional availability and the fear of commitment. clearly, this is a cliche, but it is certainly more truthful and relatable than just writing him off the screen for the sake of the "challenge" plot-line. and as i stated before, his pluses are more dynamic than just wealth, power and looks. he has real character, and a zest for the romantic, and he is the right fit for her.

with regard to carrie, her motivations are also more intricate than what you give her credit for, especially insofar as her struggles with big are concerned. her issues with men are probed, albeit very remotely, when it comes to father abandonment issues, and her constant search for the right man in light of this. and apart from the prerequisite character generality on TV at large, i think the characters on SATC can get quite specific. through the veneer of questionable puns and costumery, there is a ton of emotional back-and-forth that gives you a real sense of what the characters want and where they're coming from.

also, berger was in more than 3 episodes. and he was a douche in all of them, full of writers' cleverness and a self-indulgent irony that wouldn't quit.

http://www.ayo4theo.com/stuff/pics/haters-gonna-hate.gif

Carrie was in more than 3 episodes too, and she's a douche in every one of them also.

For the last 3-4 seasons it seemed that even the writers didn't like her all that much, tbh. Maybe she needed a certain amount of 'lead character' generality, as you say, but any charm or pleasantness left in it resided with the other three characters and Steve.

steve sucked imo.

oh i'm a schlubby and ignorant average-joe. what a catch.

there's really no way to start a morning like a sex and the city argument. best part of waking up. thx guys :)

also Big's marriage is a lot more telling than just, he got married and therefor isn't available. he married "that girl," as Carrie puts it - the shiny hair, style section girl. the less complicated girl. and then there's Carrie. says a lot about both of them and who they want to be, in relationships and in life.

he went for the girl who wasn't a messy neurotic ass, the bastard

Steve- kickass wkiw dude, and he owns a bar ffs

they're supposed to be surrogates for you-the-viewer and the concept of you-the-viewer wanting something. (If they had specifics, you might not relate/desire anymore.)

Ah, this was touched on in the latest movie (in retrospect, the most OTM moment).

A Fan gushes to her, but cools off immediately when she finds out Carrie isn't "starting a family anytime soon".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXdiNuZMyE0&feature=related