minority report: an equation [shouldn't spoil it for anyone who hasn't seen it, but don't read if you really, really want no clue]

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minority report=bladerunner[A.I.+mission:impossible+[[brazil+a clockwork orange+twelve monkeys+thx-1138]/4]+runaway+lost highway+the rocketeer]-alphaville

RJG, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

let me simplify

minority report = crap

bc, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I thought it was pretty good.

Sean, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The Rocketeer? And it should be + alphaville (sci-fi noir)

ryan, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I thought it was much simpler - the exact same plot as Tom's "Mission Impossible" filtered through bladerunner-ish sci-fi fx and moral quandaries. I still enjoyed it though.

Tim, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The only good thing about the movie was beautiful, wonderful, alien Samantha Morton.

Melissa W, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Tom looked like he was voguing in front of the premonition screen. Colin Farrell really wasn't very menacing. I liked it, except for the Speilbergian family shit.

Arthur, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

A true sci-fi tale would have ended the moment Tom's collared.

bnw, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

it's -alphaville. for some reason. don't ask me, don't know nothin' about mathematics.

with the inclusion of lost highway let's say it DID end when he was collared and the rest was idealised brain activity.

it was still crap in bits.

RJG, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

maybe that is just idealised brain activity. well, not idealised. haha.

but, yeah. the rocketeer. obvious.

RJG, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

There's films where you can see where the money ran out half way through. With MR you see where the imagination ran out. It started promisingly, and it looked really good (I loved that washed out colour thing), but there's a point where it stops being a Dick- inspired, paring-back-the-layers of reality headfuckfest, and started being a pedestrian thriller, a la Mission Impossible as mentioned above. And the twists, such as they are, are very predictable.

misterjones, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Minority report = race against time, murder mystery, speilberg sentimental, product placement, quite good, nice to see a not overly futuristic future. Overall, it doesn't have any glaring faults, and is fairly watchable. I give it a B-.

jel --, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

spoiler...

Couldn't he have paid someone else to do it?

Alan Trewartha, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

why was that leo guy so eager to get shot? I'm very surprised that the super hi-tech computers didn't have AppleMac logos! Though Nokia did get their name all over the phones.

jel --, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

product placement mania in that film. which i don't recommend. there are better ways to spend 2.5 hours of your life. visually quite appealing with some shocking bits, but a story that sags and falls apart as soon as you've stopped concentrating on not getting nacho cheese down yr shirt

Alan Trewartha, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

what was in it? nokia? I remember seeing guinness and lexus.

RJG, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Nokia, Lexus, American Express, Pepsi, Gap, Guiness...

jel --, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I remember gap, yes. USA today=a brand name?

RJG, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

yep! that's another one then.

jel --, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

of course by mania, i just mean slightly more noticeable than usual. not the so-ironic-it's-not level reached in Josie and the Pussycats.

Alan Trewartha, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I was actually disappointed the whole movie wasn't more like the opening sequence. Forget the silly whodunit, and just give us two hours of watching the pre-crime guys arrest people. That would have been cooler by me, but then, I am a geek.

bnw, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I thought it was shit and there were so many ridiculous flaws. I mean wouldn't they have cancelled his retina scan the minute he became a man on the run? Someone really fucking dropped the ball there didn't they? Also all the product placement was stupid.

Ronan, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i thought the gap bit was quite funny. but i always find blunt product placing funny. i still think the bad guy would have hired someone else to do "the job"

Alan Trewartha, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

But also the whole precrime thing, if they really "have a choice" like good old Tom why can't the cops go around and say "you're going to kill your wife tomorrow ok, don't do it". And just to be doubly sure stick them in a cell for 48 hours.

Ronan, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

very good review of this movie here which suggests that the huge logical holes like the one you spot, Ronan, are there partially because the movie has no coherent vision of the social control that must exist to provide the basis for this super-surveillance society in the first place

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i will admit there is one absolutely hysterically funny moment, when cruise walks into the GAP and the computer says "Hello, Mr. Yamamoto, are you enjoying those tank tops you bought?" you have to see it but it's just perfect

bc, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

what's so funny about it? that yamamoto went from buying a number of GAP tanktops to SELLING his eyeballs?

aw, maybe he died or someone stole 'em, I guess. but. still!

RJG, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

no!

bc, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I've been thinking about this...

1) They didn't cancel the retina scan, because they believed he would come back and that would enable them to nab Tom straight away. If they cancelled the scan then Tom would be able to walk around undetected.

2) Bad guy couldn't hire someone else as he would then have the problem of what to do with the guy he hired, can't kill him coz the precogs would detect it, and he couldn't really trust some goon to keep quiet. So, that's why he created the smokescrean and did the deed himself (which the precogs saw, but the tech thought was an echo).

jel --, Friday, 12 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

(alang did you like josie and the rubcats?)

katie, Friday, 12 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

However, I am now having a problem with the murder set up thing. Who did the old guy hire to attack the woman, in the film they say he is a John Doe (I think we are supposed to assume that the guy was some addict or someone desperate for money?). Surely, this would have alerted the authorities to fact that the precog system is not fool proof as it cannot detect conspiracy to murder or coercion of a severly dysfunctional population...They slap on that neural inhibitor so quickly, it's hard for the would be murderer to plead their innocence. So, yeah, it's all about power and a surveillence society, all the product placement and glamour set against the severe deprivation (the dark alleys, the squalid housing, the people desperate for money ie Leo & the John Doe, the street eye doctor). This film gets better the more I think about it.

jel --, Friday, 12 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

max von sydow shoulda just got the anne lively lady and put her in a box but SUSTAINED her life by feeding her nutrients and the like, perhaps through a length of piping. no-one would have detected that! maybe his wife, I dono.

RJG, Friday, 12 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, or just had her framed for some crime or another and put in one of those tubes (never to be seen again).

jel --, Friday, 12 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i. dr vick hated it, not least cz someone had said she looks just like the pre-org girlie (which she sorta kida slightly does except not fey or slack jawed and her hair isn't that short at the moment)

ii. haha senor spielbergo uses exactly the same trick as max von sydow, eg tries to get us going by harping on the death of the kid: we decided [MAJOR PSPOILER ALAERT] that mvj's suicide is spielberg's unconscious conscience speaking directly to the audience ("my family values heart-tugging is a crime and i atone thus: BANG!!)

iii. the gap-typer stuff was good, because it was SO CREEPY (unlike bladerunner, which is meant to be a dystopia which actually everyone watching wants to live in, this was a utopia which is clearly pretty horrible)

iv. swiss cheese, plot holes-wise

v. the spiders = sinister for a few moments then SS forgot himself and SUDDENLY THEY WERE CUTE

vi. the sick stick is brilliant

vii. haha the sick stick!! (cf no.vi)

viii. i liked when he was fighting with his old buds and they were trying not to actually hurt each other, every slapstick -> i'd like to see that bit again

ix. "the dead are among us: they help us" => perhaps we shd include this idea in ALL films, to detoxify a plot-device (someone shd have said it in schindler's list maybe)

x. haha i am more precog than agatha: i *knew* mvs was evil and did it the moment he first appeared (even when i didn't know what "it" was), and i *knew* the "bad" feds cop was actually good the moment he appeared

xi. i like the idea that sleazy porn is loops of old movies where people get killed

mark s, Saturday, 13 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i like product placement in movies because it says something to me abt my life

mark s, Saturday, 13 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

but. I still think: hang the spielberg, hang the spielberg, hang the spielberg. hang the spielberg, hang the spielberg.

RJG, Sunday, 14 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

one month passes...
they shouldn't "cancel his retina scan" as in make it so his eyes don't scan, they should have just not allowed his eyes to gain access to the police building and the prison.

ron (ron), Tuesday, 3 September 2002 05:19 (twenty-three years ago)

That's what I thought, too. If you want to keep someone out of your house when they've got the key, the first thing you do is change your locks!

Andrew (enneff), Tuesday, 3 September 2002 05:32 (twenty-three years ago)

i liked it. and i can happily overlook the logical flaws cept for this bit: remember when tom 'flushes' the precog water bowl thing? and then nameless cop guy sez something to the effect of "i know where that tunnel ends, we can cut him off there" and "bad" feds cop sez "no point in doing that, cos she (the kidnapped precog) is already part of his future"? uhm, but then why have you been trying to stop him at all? its cos the future can be changed innit?

mitch lastnamewithheld, Wednesday, 4 September 2002 18:41 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...
How did this thread go on for so long without anyone mentioning the brilliant sequence in the automobile factory where a car is built around Tom and he winds up escaping in it ... referencing an idea Hitchcock had for North by Northwest but couldn't work out logistically into the plot?

jewelly (jewelly), Saturday, 27 December 2003 19:07 (twenty-two years ago)

eight years pass...

just watching this. lol at the electronic newspaper on the tube which is still the size of a current tabloid.

in fact i think every interface in the entire film is less efficient than the current versions - the arm waving, the enormo screens (transparent!), the ipad sized things they use for transferring files (no usb sticks, no wifi?), all too large.

did like the cars though, the way they flowed down buildings and could run sideways.

koogs, Saturday, 7 April 2012 15:32 (fourteen years ago)

well if they were small they'd be hard to film

dayo, Saturday, 7 April 2012 15:39 (fourteen years ago)

two months pass...

still kinda love this despite all of the above. Farrell's suits are a+

irrational angst that makes me innocuously thingy (darraghmac), Sunday, 24 June 2012 13:42 (thirteen years ago)

ten years pass...

this movie’s a banger

Tracer Hand, Friday, 29 July 2022 21:53 (three years ago)


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