2012 republican presidential nominee

Right now I think it's probably between Mitt and Jeb, but I honestly believe John Boehner has his eye set on the White House one day before long (not that he'd ever get there).

def jeb in 2012

I want that dynasty to run this roman empire into the ground

I voted palin btw - I think she could take iowa and south carolina

Makes sense. She's an honorary SC politician anyway.

and from there get something like a mccain 2008 victory (while basically winning the opposite states)

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people I DO NOT think it will be, despite highly visible media profiles: Palin, Paul, Gingrich, Huckabee

what about Liz Cheney or Haley Barbour? has either stated categorically they will not run?

Liz Cheney is every bit as hateful/hateable as her father, and the public, no matter how conservative they get, still hate Dick Cheney.

Politics aside, she's awful every time I see her on TV: vacuous, one-note.

i honestly have no idea. palin is the one to beat, and the party will be basically palinist no matter who wins, so, does it matter?

And Haley Barbour comes across like an extra on Dukes of Hazzard.

Wait, where's Barack Obama on the list?

har.

I can't remember the name of the guy, but who was the GOP whiz kid that was talking the loudest during the healthcare summit back in February? The one with all the facts and figures and reams of paper as his prop?

He's probably too young to be in serious consideration this time. Plus, there's the fact I can't remember his name.

Pence?

oh umm Ryan?

that's him!

he is not retarded btw, so that could be dangerous. but maybe in 2016.

probably should have added barbour (I made this using the top bets on intrade right now and he's not one of them)

but liz cheney - an unelected, uncharismatic female whose last name is 'cheney'...

hell, todd palin has a better shot than her

It will be Our Sarah, of course.

Yeah, Paul Ryan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Ryan_%28politician%29) is who I was thinking of. He's 40 now, he'll be 46 in 2016, and as long as he doesn't crash and burn before then, I think he'll either make a go of it of his own volition or be pressured into it by the GOP management.

I don't think Palin (Sarah, not Todd, although that's a fun thought) has much of a chance for doing well in the primaries, assuming Iowa's caucuses are still first in the lineup.

Despite what she'd have you believe, people actually do care that she quit her ELECTED job halfway into her stay.

you don't think palin can pick up the social conservative plurality that dubya and hucakbee won with?

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haha hucakbee

I will vote Huxtable in '12

DENISE! DENISE!

I'd say Jeb has the inside track, with his family connections and ability to take Florida and the border South, while still looking attractive to places like Pennsylvania, and Indiana.

Palin would be the dream candidate in terms of running the GOP right off the rails, while generating maximum electoral interest in all corners of the USA and the terrestrial globe.

Mitt failed once already, so he's unlikely to overcome the stigma of shameful loss. Pawlenty has insufficient appeal to the South. Jindal doesn't have the chops.

what about Thune? not enough name recog? i know he loves him some Jesus...

Jindal will never live down that SOTU rebuttal in the national perception. "Volcano monitoring? Huh huh."

none of these people seem to have enough going on to take out any of the rest decisively. '12 is a long ways away so who knows what's going to happen. i'm pretty sure it's going to be real fucked up tho!!

Huckabee terrifies me because he makes being a pig-ignorant douchebag seem so reasonable

This will be the first time since 1996 that the Dems haven't really had to stage a free-for-all primary race for the White House. It will be fun to lean back and watch instead of worry about who I'll be voting for as well.

(Although, my young, uninformed self actually voted for Dole in 1996, so what do I know? In fact, I've never voted for a sitting prez, so maybe I'll go GOP in '12 just to keep with tradition.)

hi dere otm

if were lucky obama will have ascended the lizard-throne and declared himself god-king by next harvest

luckily I don't think 'sounding reasonable' is gonna be key to this race

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GOP tends to nominate the guy who came in 2nd the last time there were real primaries (see: Reagan, HW Bush, Dole, McCain) so Romney seems likely. However, they have gone a lot more nuts in recent times, so who knows.

2000 was a free-for-all? (I mean technically, but)

I don't really buy the 'GOP likes to nominate...' logic - I mean there are pretty clear reasons why each of those guys got the nomination, and each one was a completely different situation.

is Reagan still dead?

2000 was a free-for-all? (I mean technically, but)

Gore didn't have it locked up early on by any means. I mean, by the time Super Tuesday came and went, he did, but there was a lot of tussling building up to the first rounds of the primaries.

gop and D primaries are structurally different

i mean, GOP is winner take all and the Dems are proportionally awarded delegates. it's almost as if one has early lock-in and the other a recipe for drawn-out disappointing contests built into the system...

xxp He never got less than 50% and only had one main challenger for the nomination. Hugely different scenario from 2004 or 2008.

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

I pray for Palin--for the spectacle, for the sure Obama win, for the chance to relive '64--but I really don't believe the party's that suicidal. The guy I'd most not want to go up against, believe it or not, is Romney. I know he has the usual array of liabilities, especially in getting the nomination, but in a general, I think he's just what they need. Politics often follows a yin-yang pattern, and after four (six, really) years of Obama using up every last ounce of oxygen in the room, Romney is boring and bland and unscary enough to win. The nomination's another matter, although he does have that next-guy-in-line factor that Republicans almost always honour working in his favour.

health care bill is enough to sink romney in the primaries...it's really an impossible situation for him to navigate. the thing he's BEST KNOWN for as governor - gov't(-ish) health care - is now the single biggest republican boogeyman. surely he's the strongest candidate as he's the least batshit insane, but I don't think that plays much of a factor in the tea party era.

it's weird reading about politicians in the 1890's getting into hysterics over....the gold standard.

http://nickshell1983.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/ron_paul_photo_4.jpg

politicians getting into hysterics over monetary policy doesn't seem nearly as weird as seeing politicians getting into hysterics over flag burning or blowjobs or sharia law

yeah, it's not like i want to listen to the kind of politician who rants about the gold standard in 2011 but at least it's somewhat real.

hey should we start a new thread/poll? this thing is unwieldy and the race has changed since first poll i think.

and it was totally real back then!

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in 1960, JFK and Nixon endlessly debated Quemoy and Matsu.

politicians getting into hysterics over monetary policy doesn't seem nearly as weird as seeing politicians getting into hysterics over flag burning or blowjobs or sharia law

Or beer summits, or windsurfing, or arugula. That list is endless.

it's weird reading about politicians in the 1890's getting into hysterics over....the gold standard

When you understand the economics behind the issue, then what's amazing is the fact that the U.S electorate was sophisticated enough to grasp how the gold standard was fucking them over royally and enriching the rich. It's especially impressive because most of those voters had a 6th grade education.

In a nutshell, the gold standard restricted the increase in the money supply to a rate far lower then the increase in productivity, so that the USA was caught in a grinding deflationary spiral. This situation squeezed farmers unmercifully.

now almost all americans are employees, not farmers, so they are sensitive to the price level as consumers and hardly at all as sellers, even though we're all debtors, ie mass fear of inflation ie part of the clusterfuck we're in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0n3NLgSsAg

benpolitico Ben Smith
I asked Perry whether he's armed today. He declined to say. "That's why it's called concealed."
3 minutes ago

*prays fervently for gop debate shootout*

daveweigel daveweigel
Burning question of the day: Will the political press corps be charmed by a folksy governor of Texas???
4 minutes ago

lol

charmed by or shot by. either way, perry steamrolls to the gop nomination.

Effective spot, not withstanding that Republicans crack me up in general. "Married his high-school sweetheart"--unlike the guy who met his wife through a shady network of lawyers and community organizers.

and took her to do the right thing on their first date!

When you understand the economics behind the issue, then what's amazing is the fact that the U.S electorate was sophisticated enough to grasp how the gold standard was fucking them over royally and enriching the rich. It's especially impressive because most of those voters had a 6th grade education.

No, believe me, I get it, and I understand how Bryan really became the first populist candidate since the Jacksonian era. I meant that I was amazed how two elections turned on a matter of consequence.

I'm cool with someone starting a new thread but I think it should start out as a romney/perry/bachmann/other prediction poll.

I'd set the deadline until at least after we get to see Perry in a debate or two. Sight unseen, I'm sure he'd walk away with a poll. Up close, maybe not as much.

http://static7.businessinsider.com/image/4e00facecadcbb72640a0000-400-300/perry-jogs-with-his-pistol.jpg

Same location, two seconds later:

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00780/SNN1421E-380_780619a.jpg

GovernorPerry Rick Perry
About to go live on WHO - AM 1040. Good to be on the same air wave Ronald Reagan once was! yfrog.com/kj6ovxyj
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is there anything special about WHO & reagan, or is this as base as being like, 'just went and got some breakfast - great to eat the same meals as RONALD REAGAN'

Sort of like the idea of a perpetually armed pres.

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deadline is 9/12 so ppl can take a bit of a wait and see on perry

is there anything special about WHO & reagan, or is this as base as being like, 'just went and got some breakfast - great to eat the same meals as RONALD REAGAN'

lol but Reagan was a sportscaster there in the '30s

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/418k4xtbdqL._AA300_.jpg

Was he a sportscaster? I've only heard of him RECREATING baseball games that were happening elsewhere off a teletype. An excellent head start in embellishing.

He liked to boast about his broadcast skills.

morbs don't tell me you forgot his priceless calling of the 89 all star game

ie, making shit up

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I'm pretty sure I would've turned that off if I was watching.

imagine a less cogent harry caray

I will vote for the candidate who pledges to reform the all-star weekend, it's bloated and overblown

the two things i will always remember about julio franco: his bizarre xian at-bat music and reagan murdering his name

whoever wins the ASG should not get the Series home field, whoever wins this election should not be president.

pitching should proceed as for a regular game in the all-star game (starter, middle relief, closer) and wealth in this country should be redistributed

all-star game, american politics: two strong arguments against democracy

oh man yeah it goes without saying that only managers & baseball writers should have any say in who plays in the all-star game

So you want to repeal the 17th Amendment too.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-v3LyGO-Zg4k/Tf1aZnnpklI/AAAAAAAAAxE/0F9CO_MICv0/s1600/Perry+and+Nugent.jpg

actual 2012 race: Nuge vs Roseanne

It's driving me up the wall trying to figure out who Perry looks like. I thought at first Bobby Valentine, the baseball manager, but I checked and not really. Must be an actor I'm thinking of.

your next president, spotted this weekend at the 12th annual gathering of the juggalos.

http://leftwingnutjob.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/perry_clown.jpg

http://static.texastribune.org/media/images/AM-Perry_jpg_800x1000_q100.jpg

he looks like a glee character

^^ dog would make a good veep, though

Got it--he looks like the manager in Bull Durham.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9GJXYU3KDY

Perry/Nuge Wiki:

Perry invited his friend, rock musician Ted Nugent, to perform at a black-tie gala hours after Perry's second inauguration ceremony on January 16, 2007. Nugent appeared onstage during the inaugural ball wearing a cutoff T-shirt emblazoned with the Confederate flag and shouting derogatory remarks about non-English speakers, according to press reports.[120] The NAACP condemned Nugent's wearing the Confederate flag. Perry's spokesman, Robert Black, downplayed the Tuesday-night incident. "Ted Nugent is a good friend of the governor's. He (Perry) asked him (Nugent) if he would play at the inaugural. He didn't put any stipulation of what he would play. yell about "wetbacks."

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2012 republican presidential nominee II: back into hell