the enduring teen comedies of the late 90s/00s

so i was watching "american pie 2" last night, and aside from it being pretty fun though not that good and much more misogynistic than i could've realized at the age of 13, it made me wonder about what the enduring teen comedies of my generation are/are going to be, because i don't think that kids now are going back to 'american pie' (though i'm not positive of that)

john hughes comedies are still relevant/still resonate w/ people my age and i'm sure younger -- i don't know anyone who hasn't seen 'ferris beuller's day off' at least once -- but i couldn't think of anything that would be like that for kids in 2020 aside from maybe 'superbad'

anyway, enduring teen comedies of this time period -- do we have any & if so what are they

mean girls

bring it on

yeah "mean girls" def

If you'd started in the mid 90's I'd have said Clueless and Election, and both are better than Ferris Bueller.

I was about to suggest Clueless and Election! What about Legally Blonde? Ten Things I Hate About You?

clueless for sure but that's still a bit before the time period that i'm talking about

i would say yes on 'ten things i hate about you' not so sure about 'legally blonde'

Can't Hardly Wait

I ended up seeing "Not Another Teen Movie" at my friend's house so many times that it is teen movie comfort food for me.

Show Me Love

Also the first couple of Scary Movie movies, at least.

"not another teen movie" is great

'election' is 1999 so it's in

may as well have 'rushmore' too -- not sure either of these were marketed as teen movies, though 'election' was an mtv production...

'10 things' is dece

Election wasn't marketed as a teen movie, but it has teen movie written all over it, which is why I thought I could get away with Legally Blonde as well.

I will always watch Ten Things I Hate About You when I come across it on the telly, so that automatically ranks it up there with all John Hughes movies for me afaic.

"Can't Hardly Wait" is a little gem. I HOPE it endures.

Had no idea people under 30 had seen Ferris Beuller. Good for them!

yeah, love "Can't Hardly Wait"

O is pretty good. (Prep school Othello with Mekhi Phifer, Josh Hartnett and Julia Styles.) But no one saw it at the time.

I also think "Election" transcends the genre in a way most others here don't, it is a "teen comedy" in the sense that "Mulholland Drive" is a film noir (or a horror movie) -- I mean it IS but to call it that seems off-kilter.

I will always watch Ten Things I Hate About You when I come across it on the telly, so that automatically ranks it up there with all John Hughes movies for me afaic.

Yes. Ten things rules.

They've all been mentioned but I would have said Mean Girls, Can't Hardly Wait, 10 Things and Bring it On.

What is Show me Love? I don't remember that name at all.

I need to see this Can't Hardly Wait.

If Bring It On gets in, then Drop Dead Gorgeous should as well.

Get Over It is good.

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Ghost World

Show me love is fucking alma right?

She's All That

John Hughes didn't have to compete with TV in the same way that this time period had... well... Buffy, Daria, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

Nick and Norah's Infinite Playlist

the fuck outta here

I also *really* liked Boys and Girls but i realise I am more susceptible to this garbage than most

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBIYE656wr0

Nick and Norah is better than Superbad

ok srsly leave

fuck u

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h05-yKgHn1E

i guess the prevalence of kevin williamson type metatextuality kindof circumvented a lot of the wholesome nostalgia that teen movies rely on and you ended up w/ a lot of horror movies and this sort of stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ19fV8BiKM

the two best teen movies of the late 90s/00s are donnie darko and cruel intentions

was about to say Donnie Darko

yeah, TS, that is just rong.

I don't think they are teenage so does Harold & Kumar count? Cos those films are FUNNEH

COMEDIES PPL COMEDIES

but i mean, the teen comedies that really stuck w/ me (apart from ghost world) were in gen. horror comedies that tried really hard to be ironic and knowing and basically total antidotes to the john hughes type stuff of the eighties. you can never go home again.

"harold & kumar" is a good one

nick & norah is one of the three worst movies i saw in this time period

also i'm more interested in what's going to endure, not necessarily what is the best

scream, the faculty, disturbing behaviour, teaching mrs tingle

i think if you factor in dawson's creek there's a real case to be made for kevin williamson as the teen movie auteur of the 90's

nick and norah is one of the worst movies made by anyone ever

yep

Dawson's was like religion in 7th and 8th grade tbh

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20230109,00.html

^^^OTM

she is incredibly offtm about the gay characters

Peter Sollett is a v talented director and you all have horrible taste if you seriously think nick and norah is one of the worst movies ever (in reality, that's just reactionary bullshit, you hate the 'indie' theme, if you actually watched the movie without baggage you'd discover that it's AT WORST innocuous)

no, she's not.

lol, this from the guy who says Inception is the worst movie ever

...

tape store like how much caffeine have you drank tonight bc you are being p fucking irritating

in reality, that's just reactionary bullshit

THE INCEPTION FANBOYS, RUNNNNNNNN

http://www.ssreg.com/images/classes/tfli/images/Spain_running%20of%20the%20bulls.jpg

it's not reactionary because no one really rates 'nick & norah' except you

back to Dawson's, i mean, fuck, for all its melodrama, this scene still totally resonates:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVYv-J_D760

& it's not a reaction against 'indie', but the fact that indie is treated and characterized with about as much knowledge and reality as it would be if my mom wrote the film

also if that movie accurately portrays the "vibrancy" of NY then...

it accurately portrays the vibrancy of a ny street shut down for the filming of a movie

lol.

I have to go to work right now, but while I don't entirely agree with it (the cinematography is great!), this is far, far more intelligent commentary on NICK AND NORAH than anything you all are saying: http://www.slantmagazine.com/house/2008/10/nick-and-norahs-infinite-playlist/

oh no come back

sorry to ruin your boring list thread xoxo

guys should i go to tape store's work and berate him about 'nick & norah'

actually, i didn't know anything about that movie, and at most, it does seem pretty innocuous and silly.

i thought that same thing but it was actually insulting

hm. kinda wanna watch it now...

i mean, i also totally admit to having a weird desire to caress Michael Cera's thighs, but that's neither here nor there.

that is not a weird desire

i like him okay but it would be like screwing someones little brother

it was just a really dim witted movie -- it's a movie about 'indie culture' for 11 year olds -- they should've consulted whiney imo

anyone over the age of, like, 16 can't help but think "this is just utter fucking bullshit"

except tape store i guess

"harold & kumar" is a good one

have you even seen this film? it starts with a guy working in an office. a teen comedy it is not.

not that I need everything to be "edgy" or anything, but it had about as much bite as an episode of california dreams

nick and norah isn't that bad but man alive does tape store have bad taste in movies

i mean tbf to Tape Store, i also think that it's impossible to not find such a movie charming if one hasn't been in the horrid vortex of vapidity that is that specific area of Manhattan. it is a shitshow of massive, terrible proportions.

i probably would hate it just based on its location shots.

tbf to tape store nothing, like srsly, its a movie you could show it to ur parents if you want to project a really comfortingly bland version of ur "indie lifestyle"

"pineapple express" isn't about teens obv, but when i saw it at midnight opening night, i was w/in the three oldest people in the theater

yeah that still doesnt count

I have quite a high tolerance of tweemances and romcoms and teen movies (and would stan for Dawson's Creek forever), and I can't summon more than a meh for Nick and Norah.

i actually suggest that anyone who doesn't stan for Dawson's Creek is a fucking rapist who needs to be shot.

teen comedies are set during the summer after high school when the head of the football team/most popular guy/secretly cute nerd finds himself caught up in an sweet romance w/ the head of the cheerleading squad/most popular girl/secretly cute nerdette where the slow blossoming of their romance despite the opposition of their peer group represents their burgeoning maturity and newfound senses of self against the shackles of conformity. they are not about twenty somethings w/ crappy jobs

i dont think there's a Suggest Drive-by btw

meanwhile the gays drop rancid bon mots and admire the football hero's thighs.

do you know who michael cera is?

I loved Dawsons Creek at the time but I don't feel the same way about it that I do for similar shows. Why did it never get canonised? Because James VDB was so fucking lame?

i actually suggest that anyone who doesn't stan for Dawson's Creek is a fucking rapist who needs to be shot.

My generation had 90210, thanks.

I rewatched the whole of Dawson's recently, and I do believe a better protagonist than Dawson would have improved it greatly. But the peripheral characters (esp. Jen, Pacey, Audrey and Andie) were always the real stars of the show.

I would quite like to watch 90210 again, tbh.

I've been thinking of starting a thread for a while now about how no-one makes quirky family comedies anymore (karate kid og, ghostbusters, gremlins, home alone, goonies etc.) that I feel should be mentioned on this thread...

well all those family comedies are just animated now

ahem, Alfred, i grew up watching the original 90210, too. it's just that by the time i was in fifth grade, they were all in college and i was like 'fuck these people.'

idk, there's lots of movies that ppl don't make anymore. You're not gonna get a big musical in the vein of like seven brides for seven brothers again. tho maybe that's a bad eg.

Oh, I watched 90210 with great pleasure, fully realizing these weren't people. "Dawson's Creek" was as soaper too, but one with pretensions. The six or seven episodes I've seen reminded me (in a good way, mostly) of 90210's flirtation with earnestness in its first two seasons.

idk maybe you had a really bad cold then, but they are really different shows

like "they are abt teens dealing w/ lyfe" but

Not really: cute boys and girls with problems.

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