Which DSM-IV Personality Disorder Best Describes You?

Avoidant, without hesitation

all of them except first and last, but that's self diagnosis for you

my boyfriend works in mental health services -- as do several of his friends -- so i hear about this stuff all the time, so

jeez, that must be fun during arguments

Generalized Anxiety Disorder with Avoidant Personality traits.

haha naw nobody's ever tried to read me the DSM-IV, but with them this stuff is kinda shorthand when talking about ppl / passing judgement / throwing shade -- which is not great or responsible but hey

well, every job's got verbal shorthand i suppose

shortmouth? i dunno

oh btw

obsessive compulsive personality disorder is NOT the same as obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD)

so vote accordingly

with them this stuff is kinda shorthand when talking about ppl / passing judgement / throwing shade -- which is not great or responsible but hey

my momz teaches counselling and when she and her friends get bitching about people it's always in ~psychodynamic~ terms. so it sounds like they're being understanding! but no, they are bitching.

^^^ My mom is a LCSW (clinical social worker) and she does the same thing!

there was a thread about this a few years back that iirc linked to a test you could take

Avoidant, complete with actual for reals diagnosis.

Friday fun with our personality disorders

paranoid

^^^ My mom is a LCSW (clinical social worker) and she does the same thing!

Yeah it's great when she tells someone off the cuff "you have an incurable personality disorder," great conversational gambit.

sounds like fun

paranoid/obsessive-compulsive - a charming combo! (self diagnosis)

dg ODD is a childhood behavioral disorder iirc and thus outside the purview of this poll, its more related to straight up psychopath -- tho maybe we have 1 or 2 of those here

schizoid

1 or 2 hundred xp

voted for narcissistic

predict a landslide for schizotypal because it sounds like a positive thing the way its described

i am none of these

Slightly Avoidant

No choice for being mentally fit as a fiddle?

dude it's not serious

avoidant is the closest but i've really broken out of it in the past couple years, i think i could have been formally diagnosed as it 4 years ago but now i'm just a bit shy and self-conscious

avoidant is the closest but i've really broken out of it in the past couple years, i think i could have been formally diagnosed as it 4 years ago but now i'm just a bit shy and self-conscious

Which means you don't have it. Personality disorders are a lifelong thing.

nah i wasnt taking it seriously, i just honestly dont feel like any of them even kinda make sense to me re: uh, me.

fun fact: at my boyfriend's place of work (and, i imagine, other places) protocol dictates that any new client with a facial tattoo be treated as if they have borderline personality disorder until a clinical diagnosis is made

smart move

http://travel.nationalgeographic.com/places/images/lw/newzealand_maori-tattoo.jpg

speaking as a borderline histrionic narcissist

I wanna hear from the avoidant-dependents out there, life must suck for you

fun fact: at my boyfriend's place of work (and, i imagine, other places) protocol dictates that any new client with a facial tattoo be treated as if they have borderline personality disorder until a clinical diagnosis is made

Where does he work?

J.C. Penney

christine, he works in the emergency services dept. of a public mental health facility

provides for many anecdotes, both hilarious and completely terrifying

I'm sure the paranoids are really happy about that.

they think it's happening anyway

sometimes me being paranoid leads me to make good decisions, though. like if I irrationally think everybody has a gun, and therefore step down from a heated argument as a result, it helps me avoid the situations where, maybe dude does have a gun and maybe I don't wanna mouth off to em.

san te, yeah but that sort of situation response is a bit different from when paranoia affects your ability to trust anyone

yeah, "does this stranger have a gun?" is diff than "does mom have a gun?"

if she is an antisocial borderline maybe she does

If you discount the lack of interest in social relationships, anhedonia, and introspection, then I suppose I am schizoid.

well, a more realistic aspect of my paranoia was that I used to believe everybody was talking ill behind my back, even friends, even people I was dating. if someone was laughing, no matter where, I assumed it was at me. I'm a lot more grounded now but I had more of that lack of trusting people thing going on.

Tuff one...

sometimes me being paranoid leads me to make good decisions, though.

Then you'd be different than most of the paranoid people I've known. They're scared of everyone, so they've lost the ability to distinguish between the false dangers and the real ones.

Of course, most of them were as dumb as fenceposts, and you're not, so maybe that's the distinguishing factor.

to be fair I don't think I'm clinically paranoid, or else I wouldn't be able to function the way I do. Just paranoid-ish.

i think there's a difference between (over)estimating what the bad outcomes of dealing with other people might be, and being certain they're out to harm you if they can.

^^^^^ true.

Obsessive compulsive. I have to go fix ID3 tags now.

yesterday some people on soulseek were talking about how some guy had a filename message in one of his music folders that said "I'm missing tracks 2, 3, 5 and 7 but I'm sure you can find them on the internet"

avoidant, ocd

avoidant, schizotypical.

schizoid, avoidant, knife collector

is "knife collector" another way of saying "Browns fan"?

Well i was diagnosed with a personality disorder two years ago...Obsessive-Compulsive, good times.

is "knife collector" another way of saying "Browns fan"?

*perceives slight*

aw, no slight intended

(well maybe a tiny slight, but not a serious one)

*examines knife collection*

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

wow

Who knew that the #1 personality disorder among people who post on an internet message board would be avoidant?
lol.

uh whoa holy shit

pfft more like you're all avoiding admitting your antisocial tendencies imo

I had to go with Schizoid because the "lack of interest in social relationships" really nails it for me with the anhedonia and introspection being the icing on the cakse, so to speak.

meant cake not cakse

I couldn't go with schizoid because of anhedonia - an inability to experience pleasurable emotions from normally pleasurable life events such as eating, exercise, social interaction or sexual activities.

pop some pills KMS

I just need the motivation to make an appointment with a psychiatrist who can hook me up, I guess.

These will go the way of neurasthenia.

least shocking poll result ever

heavy lols.

would self-diagnose again!

45 cries for help

DSM-V is gonna be an entertaining bunfight for years

Where's all the antisocial types at?

fuck off

(j/k)

i hear that hoarding is getting its own entry
true?

haven't read about hoarding.

i believe throwing a hissy fit gets its own entry, as does over-eating, whilst Asperger's will cease to exist.

not saying any of this is wrong, just that people are gonna be v unhappy

I'll have to go through every last copy of the DSM piled up in the corner here to really see how the changes will affect me personally.

DSM used to be my bathroom reading book.

Asperger's is going to get placed somewhere on the Autistic Spectrum.

Was just about to start a poll on this again before realizing it had been done and I have the first post so clearly I'm actually obsessive.

But really, borderline seems closer to the mark.

avoidant/dependent/borderline/obsessive-compulsive/paranoid

I think borderline is probably the most fitting tbh

Might be of interest:

http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/on-behalf-of-stuart-bell-chief-executive-stop-cuts-to-complex-needs-services-by-2-3rds

which option would "being a useless cunt" fall under?

fun fact: at my boyfriend's place of work (and, i imagine, other places) protocol dictates that any new client with a facial tattoo be treated as if they have borderline personality disorder until a clinical diagnosis is made

Where does he work?

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i am a borderline guy and the diagnosis was a p huge lightbulb. it's a pretty self-conscious one however because it seems to be quite widely used. still paved the way for a lot of self understanding, if still stuck in ways not knowing WTF to do about it

lol at basically everybody on ilx copping to rejection sensitive dysphoria

probably some of that is down to it seeming like the least-worst but yeah pretty interesting to compare this to the self-deprecation thread

swen i definitely have a tendency to exhibit behaviors that sometimes get characterized as borderline personality disorder

that's a long convoluted way of saying it. basically the whole framing of "personality disorders" is one of those DSM things i disagree with. there's this narrative that a "personality disorder" is something innate, fixed, at the core of one's being... but if you look at the data it's strongly correlated with trauma, particularly childhood trauma. it's one way people cope with trauma. cPTSD, complex PTSD, which isn't in the DSM, seems to have a lot of overlap with what the DSM calls "borderline personality disorder". it turns out growing up queer in a homophobic culture can be pretty fucking traumatic!

people want to dismiss it i think in large part because we're hard to deal with, we don't respond to medication, and also because of the suicidality... suicidality a really common behavior associated with borderline personality disorder, and it's really scary and hard for other people to deal with. what i've found is that it _is_ possible to... well, addressing what's called "BPD" as a behavior pattern, there are teachable skills that have helped me deal with stress and trauma in more healthy ways. that's what DBT was designed for. and these days it's a series of handouts that people use, it's a buzzword, but the treatment itself is not just a series of handouts... it's a structured, discplined program. that's expensive and difficult to administer so hardly anybody does it and it's very difficult to get into a "full-fidelity" DBT program. i didn't even get into a "full-fidelity" program. what i've had is more than handouts, though, and doing the work is helping me a lot.

preach. i've done a DBT program. it wasn't full-fidelity, either, but i valued it. however i think CBT is probably something i need to look into, weirdly in my case the "trauma" shows up as faulty scripts.

i totally agree with you regarding the need to shed a proclivity for thinking of this as innate or fixed. and also v much agree that it's super hard to deal with publicly and be open about it, which makes it harder to address period.

labels like "BPD" and "trauma" are tough for me because i grew up in a way that emphasized "perspective" and gratitude in a way that i think is NOT healthy. but i do think i have bpd, and i do think i have trauma. it's a pain for sure but good to see your comment.

i have known people with BPD, it seems intense. what do you mean about "perspective"? like my mother's response to any kind of problem has always been "there are people worse off than you", i mean true but kind of an aggravating thing to be told at certain times.
aiui from the immigration thread we have a similar life experience, and so do our parents, so there's that. just tbf

that's a long convoluted way of saying it. basically the whole framing of "personality disorders" is one of those DSM things i disagree with. there's this narrative that a "personality disorder" is something innate, fixed, at the core of one's being... but if you look at the data it's strongly correlated with trauma, particularly childhood trauma.

it's funny you say that because i have a ScPD diagnosis years ago and lately have been thinking i wouldn't get that diagnosis if evaluated today. my social life fits the pattern, sure. and my sex life. and the anhedonia is getting harder to cope with, if anything. and i still have my magico-superstitious thinking. but i feel too charged emotionally at certain times, too animated to be schizoid. i can't get therapy because therapists don't take insurance and those who do don't have openings. because insurance companies don't compensate them fairly and make them jump through hoops to get paid. keep thinking, maybe i'll try to get treatment through social services. like in a year or 2 or 3. but not right now, today, because i am too apathetic and have no motivation to do anything like that ever- ok, maybe i would get the same diagnosis.

but i'm sure that 5-10 years earlier i would have been diagnosed if anything as avoidant, dependent, or both overlapping (super weird that one of these has 45 votes and the other has 1, they are so closely related!)

it is clearly not innate

lol at basically everybody on ilx copping to rejection sensitive dysphoria

i am kinda surprised by this actually?

but lol at the ilx personality disorders thread being a poll

there's this narrative that a "personality disorder" is something innate, fixed, at the core of one's being... but if you look at the data it's strongly correlated with trauma, particularly childhood trauma.

I agree that what the DSM is describing as personality disorders aren't innate, fixed features from birth. Your identifying them as after effects of trauma strikes me as insightful and correct. I think the effects of prolonged or repeated trauma, especially childhood traumas, are more like super-habits, embedded so deeply into one's neural pathways that it does feel like they are parts of the self.

I'd look at it as a tug-of-war between brain plasticity and the deeply inlaid effects of trauma. Changing something so deeply inlaid is possible, but it's a bitch. Addiction is admittedly a poor analogy, but people are more familiar with its dynamic and it gets closer to the truth than just saying "this is just who you are, now learn to live with it."

interestingly had a lovely meeting with my therapist after these initial thoughts, who resounded with what both of you suggest, and has me rethinking the labels again ("i have bpd" etc). i suppose it's all just much more nuanced, and painting a picture of there being something "wrong" with the way a person expresses themselves is not great as a treatment mechanism. love this idea of the tug of war btw the inlaid vs. plasticity, Aimless. very nice way of thinking.

but lol at the ilx personality disorders thread being a poll

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I have something that's not the Bipolar NOS that I was diagnosed with. I'm hoping that it's ADHD or autism or even OCD (or all three or two of them) rather than the BPD I may have.