why would you want to worship satan?

i mean, why.

what's wrong with deej?

To meet loose women.

satan inspired the better albums

eternal life, duh!

also decadent & hedonistic rewards on the material plane.

I've always found satan worship a tedious and kind of lame obverse of Xtianity.

same reason you'd want to worship anything that rules you. cause it makes you, you! :)

hail satan btw

worshipping satan just feels like a youthful indiscretion. like, if you're still doing it after age 30 what's wrong with you.

If M.G. Lewis' The Monk is to be believed, it is because he first appears to you in a pretty erotic fashion:

Ambrosio started, and expected the Daemon with terror. What was his surprize, when the Thunder ceasing to roll, a full strain of melodious Music sounded in the air. At the same time the cloud dispersed, and He beheld a Figure more beautiful than Fancy's pencil ever drew. It was a Youth seemingly scarce eighteen, the perfection of whose form and face was unrivalled. He was perfectly naked: A bright Star sparkled upon his forehead; Two crimson wings extended themselves from his shoulders; and his silken locks were confined by a band of many-coloured fires, which played round his head, formed themselves into a variety of figures, and shone with a brilliance far surpassing that of precious Stones. Circlets of Diamonds were fastened round his arms and ankles, and in his right hand He bore a silver branch, imitating Myrtle. His form shone with dazzling glory: He was surrounded by clouds of rose-coloured light, and at the moment that He appeared, a refreshing air breathed perfumes through the Cavern. Enchanted at a vision so contrary to his expectations, Ambrosio gazed upon the Spirit with delight and wonder: Yet however beautiful the Figure, He could not but remark a wildness in the Daemon's eyes, and a mysterious melancholy impressed upon his features, betraying the Fallen Angel, and inspiring the Spectators with secret awe.

Like Edward Cullen, with bonus crimson wings :)

orgies would have to get boring after a while. I wonder if they ever say, "Anyone know any good songs? Lets have a singalong instead."

satan seems like a cool dude, but more someone you'd hang out with rather than worship

this also goes for god and jesus

peter otm

orgies would have to get boring after a while

Oh, c'mon. We were having a Baal.

A+

Just want to make sure you guys know that peeps in the Church of Satan don't actually worship Satan. Its more like Wiccan Objectivism or something. Also, The Satanic Bible is a pretty good read, or at least it was when I was 15.

Church of Satan don't actually worship Satan.

man that's a pr problem and a half

Lame Top Ten Reasons For Worshipping Satan

10. You find the liturgy inspiring.
9. Endless opportunities for dressing up.
8. Fun with pitchforks.
7. Rocking that goatee look.
6. Everyone needs a hobby.
5. Free IQ & personality test.
4. Bugs the Jehovah's Witnesses no end.
3. Big fanboy of Peter Cook.
2. Fits well into your busy schedule.
1. Come for the satanism, stay for the pie!

so Satan is just the sponsor of that church?

xxp

Satanists look like Ruth Gordon.

the money and the power

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu92/damien_stone/repub.jpg

tbh I've never really understood what the process of 'worship' entails, how you can really be sure the worshiping was completed. How do you know you've done it unless you say "entity, I'm worshiping YOU" or when you're done someone saying "man we worshiped like crazy just then" (this would at least clue you in something happened). The only "Satanist" I know worships by waving a walrus penis bone in the air while reading some stuff out loud in a cloak. That is actually pretty fucking awesome BUT how does that really indicate fealty to a dark lord?

why isn't this question seen as a corollary to the atheism/agnosticism/religiosity one? do people have numinous or spiritual experiences in the natural world, or with other people, that lead them to conclude, yes, i just feel a closeness to satan?

xps

I have this problem with the ritual I grew up in, actually. How does spending one hour listening to boring people talk, singing three or four hymns, and eating torn up Wonder Bread and drinking wee plastic cups of water indicate, "Hey there Heavenly Father I am worshiping YOU." It's not explicit enough for me!

xp to my boring self

obvious boring point but a lot of "satan worshippers" don't believe in God or Satan - "satan" is a metaphor for principles of self-rule, will, etc

actual satan worshippers, the few you'll find, often believe that he will trade you power for your fealty

that seems to me to be a fundamental misunderstanding of Satan...?

"why I worship satan" only turns up 10 results on Google btw, of which this seems to offer a good idea of what's in play

I must admit I've never got how stupid you'd have to be to trade 40 or 50 years of awesome high-livin' for an eternity of exquisite torment.

which one? i mean, both are, but i wonder which one you're asking about

xp to dan

To answer: LeVay saw Satan is an allegory for pleasure and the base, natural tendencies of humanity -- pride-fullness and strength over humility and meekness. Thus what LeVayian satanists worship is themselves, in a kind of weird hedonistic but hobbesian humanism.

more important question is why WOULDN'T you wanna worship Satan, since he's clearly in charge down here

(which one does: the idea that he'll give you temporary power in exchange for you soul, or that he [nb there is no actual "he" in this understanding] embodies principles rejected by Christianity but which are in fact healthy human normal impulses/needs? the latter is, in crudely summarized form, LaVeyan Satanism)

@ HI DERE

"satanism" as in Church Of is objectivism with a dollop of challops

it is tiresome

i mean, what differentiates 'satanism' from atheism then? or "objectivism" (since it was brought up)? is there some metaphysical element that's important? otherwise, why bother with mucking about with a character from christian religious tradition? except to piss of your parents.

xps

I was talking about the "power for your soul" thing, to wit:

I must admit I've never got how stupid you'd have to be to trade 40 or 50 years of awesome high-livin' for an eternity of exquisite torment.

to piss of your parents. xp

hoos it's got its uses as a sort of palate-cleanser for people who have baggage imo

also ppl get naked and freaky, always pro-anything that encourages people to get down with their naked selves

anytime satan tells u ur past remind him of HIS FUTURE

haha i just c/p'd your typo btw, that wasn't supposed to be a zing

plz tell me that you are not talking about piss of your parents as a palate-cleanser

are you sure it was not a typo?

and right i mean i say "to piss off your parents" as a kind of tossed off stand-in for "getting rid of childhood religious baggage/damage" i guess

Joshua Tree selling all those copies is just not gonna seem worth it after the first couple of decades submerged in a lake of burning excrement.

in general afaik the whole worshipping satan thing is a little bit of a misnomer - most of it is the sorta triumph of the self "do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law" kinda vibe, or at least it is once you get away from the 15 year olds w/ouija boards demographic

jesus christ like 40 xposts or something

otherwise known as Minnesota

i mean, what differentiates 'satanism' from atheism then? or "objectivism" (since it was brought up)? is there some metaphysical element that's important? otherwise, why bother with mucking about with a character from christian religious tradition? except to piss of your parents.

satanism specifically celebrates principles that Christianity rejects - self-interest, pursuit of pleasure. it "worships" an entity in which it only believes as an indwelling archetype of a "nobler"/truer/more useful self. atheism has no affirmative values in itself; it's just the belief that there is no God. no set of believes is necessarily attendant upon being an atheist -- it's not an ideology.

Satanism isn't atheistic because Levay did believe in and promote basic animism and the idea that magickal ritual could effect outcomes of events.

satanism = only very slightly occultist ultralibertarianism afaic

yeah but LaVey is just a publicity whore, his "beliefs" are what can keep his rent paid. that basic animism of his relies on no animating force, it's incoherent.

whereas Crowley, maybe a diff. deal

what do we think of the Rev. Steven Johnson Leyba? http://www.stevenleyba.com/

and this: http://www.google.com/images?client=safari&rls=en&q=steven+johnson+leyba&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1238&bih=668

he's pretty cool, in his own way.

satanism is buffoonery of the highest order. christianity at least contains some worthy collectivist notions alongside its reactionary features.

because it is rad and makes scary girls have intriguement issues

http://www.entrances2hell.com/

tbh I've never really understood what the process of 'worship' entails, how you can really be sure the worshiping was completed.

have u never heard of a little word called AMEN

YO GO TO BED

is it considered satan worship to shout "ALL HAIL SATAN" along with yer Mercyful Fate cds? is it like the karaoke-"n****" problem where we're supposed to stay silent during that part or be lumped in with the crowd?

cozen what in the hell

btw that leyba guy sounds like a trip

Tuesday, September 7, 2010
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gonna b on radio 87.7 radio valencia SF talking about how shitty and flatminded your art is, no pomo

Satan is another aspect of God, and since people seem to want to worship God, it only makes sense that some people would want to worship one of his aspects.

Not much weirder than worshipping Kali bringer of death or Siva the destroyer, or becoming a Thug, when you think on it.

oh okay

wait, THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE EITHER

not much weirder, no

kinda rad:

http://www.templeoftheblacklight.net/

Aimless i rilly rilly hope you're kidding about Kali and Shiva.

Leyba also once had performance in front of the Mayor and many other SF city officials where he was sodomized with a whiskey bottle.

anyhoo, thread immediately made me think of this...

http://thumbs1.ebaystatic.com/pict/3602636769124040_1.jpg

http://www.nytimes.com/1993/08/22/magazine/the-devil-in-long-island.html

Definitely my favorite spelling of the dark lord's name was in high school seminary, one of my classmates walked up to the whiteboard and said, "I think we all know who the bad guy in this story is" and then wrote

SAINTEN

in dry erase marker.

I hope they then cavalierly tossed the marker into the whiteboard tray, folded their arms across their chest, and leaned against the wall with a knowing look on their face

This was the same kid that had us all look at a painting of Jesus while we all listened to Bryan Adams' "Everything I Do, I Do It For You." In spite of this he was a pretty awesome guy.

http://thinningtheherd.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/clockwork_big.jpg

http://www.templeoftheblacklight.net/

I expected more velvet posters. :(

I wish there was something like Milton's Satan or Blake's Milton's Satan, or the guy I am starting to see as the magic third here, which is the force of Bruce Haack's "Electric Lucifer" – I wish the vital essence of these guys was in anything! Maybe then I would be a religious person.

Not a "religious person" but a person who burnt with...that burning!

Milton's Satan was forced into too much work being Pride poster child to really shine.

http://visualizing.org/full-screen/54597

Satan is just alright with me

orgies would have to get boring after a while

Oh, c'mon. We were having a Baal.

― A Reclaimer Hewn With (Michael White), Thursday, 14 October 2010 17:47 (six years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

a+ indeed

so, let me break it down to an extent:

1. i want to piss off my parents, or parent culture, or the daddy god, or whatever

2. there is an actual prince of darkness who will give me powers on earth if i suffer in hell forever later

3. "god" is a false tyrant and there are other forces at work in creation that have been called "satan" and i want to worship those instead

4. "satan" means really cool animalistic human drives like getting laid, doing whatever you want, being awesome, and that's what i feel like doing

am i missing anything? pretty weak imo, if that isn't obvious by now

― goole, Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:22 (six years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

5. isnt hilary

ever since I got the Baphomet tatt I've had one friend and my parent asked me if I worshipped Satan and I realized if I go out of town into a bad part of town that tatt plus me muttering to myself must keep the nutters away

(i don't think, fuck worshipping anything or anybody other than as a momentary sex ritual)

dude that is not how to brag the sex that is being had should be longer than momentary

xxp I'd worship Ronald McDonald if I thought it would keep the nutters away

Mayor McCheese is a jealous god.

you should worship satan because he says you shouldn't worship anyone

it's a paradox, man

gotta worship somethin'

u might live in a mansion, u might live in a dome

so, let me break it down to an extent:

1. i want to piss off my parents, or parent culture, or the daddy god, or whatever

the satirical element is a big factor. historically satan has been a scapegoat for abuses of church and state. LeVayan stylee leans heavily in this. but its subculture doesn't seem scripturally based at all (in fact quite the opposite) so i dont think actual worshipping is a requirement or even relevant.

2. there is an actual prince of darkness who will give me powers on earth if i suffer in hell forever later

the demonic hierarchy, with its angelic origins, is still subservient to God. it is only through God's authority and your pure faith that you can control them. you could maybe get by with a faith that connotes satan as an aspect of the true god but if you aren't writing the names of God in your magical circle you probably gonna be out of luck. also you aren't given any powers, it's simply a matter of calling up the spirit who specializes in X, and having THEM do the work while you lord your unwavering faith over them. as far as suffering in hell forever, that's not going to happen 1) if you possess this unwavering faith that is letting you control these demons in the first place and 2) hell itself may have a beginning and an end.

3. "god" is a false tyrant and there are other forces at work in creation that have been called "satan" and i want to worship those instead

if God is the source of sources then there are no "other forces at work", it's all God, including Satan.

4. "satan" means really cool animalistic human drives like getting laid, doing whatever you want, being awesome, and that's what i feel like doing

it wasnt satan who said "go forth and multiply" or "everything that lives is food for you".

if you want to do whatever you want then there's no reason to appeal to authority - spiritual or corporeal - on the matter. modern consumerism offers an endless supply of avatars of hedonism. knock yourself out, just don't hurt anyone.

thanks adam

cos he is king

who wants or needs a king? they just fuck you over.

trickle-down necronomics

http://i.imgur.com/7OqvTQO.png

Going back to the roots: Church of Ahriman (Dakhma of Angra Mainyu).

Though I suspect Zoroastrian apostates didn't use as many strobe lights.

Any aspect of Sumerian folklore considered false teachings...

Honestly, I think more people could get behind evil if its symbol was a peacock.

Angra Mainyu chose to be evil: "It is not that I cannot create anything good, but that I will not." And to prove this, he created the peacock.

im calling it: all the occult hipster stuff around nowadays is gonna result in new cool diy Christian mysticism movements in ~10 years

I'm currently reading James Wasserman's In The Center Of The Fire - his memoir of working at Weiser Books in the midst of mid-70s occultism in NYC. It's not a particularly book and most of the writing is repetitve "took speed, performed ritual, took speed, fought lawsuits from people claiming ownership and/or IP rights to some piece of text, took speed, performed ritual, repeat until o.d. or psychic death", but it is useful history for anyone writing about this particular time and place.

OTOH, look… I don’t want to drugsplain, but it seems like the last thing anyone would want to do before getting their Thelema on is to load up on bathtub amphetamines. I’m pretty sure outer dimensional entities don’t like cold calls from cranked-up speed freaks. I know I wouldn’t.

"particularly great book"