if a vegetarian who hasnt eaten meat in like 4 years eats some as a one off bc it is free

will it make them sick also is this like a srs ethical breach. twin pronged guidance needed btw

It is highly likely it will make them sick. You lose the ability to digest meat after not eating it for that long. Unpleasantly sick.

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1. what kind of meat? but probably not, except maybe psychosomatically.

2. definitely not a serious ethical breach. wasting food can be unethical too. and it sounds like you're already thinking about it pretty hard.

maybe "how much meat?" too. I accidentally ordered chicken when I was on vacation in Mexico and ate some of it after no eating meat for over a decade. I didn't get sick, but I felt like shit, emotionally.

Last week I took four large bites from a burger — my first in fifteen years.

Felt zero ill effects.

i didn't get sick when i ate meat for the first time in I forget how many years (but at least 4). It depends on how much you eat, what else you eat, etc.

went to dinner with a friend a month or two ago; he hadn't eaten meat in over two years, ate a large piece of lamb, and felt fine.

I was vegetarian for ten years but recently started eating meat again and it didn't affect me at all.

that first burger is a divine thing

Not to put too mild a point on it, but on the few occasions that I've eaten meat (usually accidentally) have had stomach distress and the runs for a day or two afterwards. And I don't think it was psychosomatic because it occured in a case where I did not actually know that I'd eaten some until after experiencing the symptoms. So your mileage may vary. I'd reccommend against it if you have a choice.

if you are a vegetarian for ethical reasons you did breach yr ethics tho

It is highly likely it will make them sick. You lose the ability to digest meat after not eating it for that long. Unpleasantly sick.

is this true of eating, say, lard that's used in the preparation of otherwise non-meat dishes? because i'm pretty sure i've had that happen from time-to-time while eating out over the past 15 years (i don't eat red meat, chicken or turkey).

i'd say that the lard would be worse for your system than the meat tbh

but then the only times i've gotten sick/had digestive problems with food, it's been related to lard/fat/grease/really oily stuff

that first burger is a divine thing
― sarahel, Wednesday, October 27, 2010 2:02 PM (46 seconds ago) Bookmar

I was expecting divinity but was somehow underwhelmed... Mel's Burger on B'way, Upper West Side. I dunno, their homemade veggie burger (w/ predictably emasculating name — "Nurse Betty") was way more flavorful. Will try again.

you should kill the animal by hand to enhance the experience

well - mine was a cheeseburger and was accompanied by several strong drinks, which i'm sure amplified the divinity

If you're a vegetarian for ethical reasons other than, like, mystical "I shan't have the soul of another cosmic traveler in my food" stuff, then it's about your diet affecting the demand curve for the meat industry. In this case it doesn't.

Sick wise, I was a veg in high school for only a few months, then ate bacon, and jesus fuckword did that screw me up. I'm also around the 4 year mark right now, suspect any meat would really, really hurt.

buzza you imp!

i know someone who claimed they got ill after unwittingly consuming a soup with a chicken-based broth

otoh i have eaten veg for almost twenty years and ate half a roast beef sandwich a couple of years ago with no ill effects whatsoever

echoing what has been said upthread i think that it sucks to waste food, and also being especially rigid or guilt-ridden in regards to diet is not particularly healthy. eating should be a happy, life-affirming thing {/dell the greek}

my firstborn recovered greatly when we began to feed him meat after he spent his first two years without

he's right as rain now

so it works both ways

also the few times i have eaten meat in the interim it has been way underwhelming. i have met a ton of people who were formally vegan and are now all "fuck yeah bacon". i don't understand all of that.

Sick? No. I'm pretty sure that vegetarianism doesn't change your physical digestive system. All the parts are still there. Your body still makes the same acids, digests stuff the same way, has the same capabilities as always. If it never made you sick before, it shouldn't now.

Serious ethical breach? I guess it depends on why you choose not to eat meat. If the ethics of vegetarianism are a major reason why you are one, then... you figure it out.

btw, I hear God kills kittens by the boxcarload, but He doesn't eat them. otoh, He may not eat at all, so it's a toss up.

Not true. Although not eating meat doesn't change yr actual intestines, the varying composition of bacteria that break up food in your gut certainly changes. If you continue to eat a lot of animal products you may be OK. If you have been vegan for 20 years, for example, your gut compostition may indeed change. Your mileage may very.

i was gonna say - if you regularly eat a bunch of dairy, you probably won't have much trouble with meat

It is highly likely it will make them sick. You lose the ability to digest meat after not eating it for that long. Unpleasantly sick.

Any scientific data to back this up? I had accidental meat (thought it was mock meat, was in a foreign country and got confused) after 10 years of no meat and the only sick I got was disgusted

If you have been vegan for 20 years

Vegans seem like a whole 'nother animal from garden-variety vegetarians.

bbbut it was mock meat!

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smitty OTM - never had any ill effect here other than regret

Yes, the meat was mocking you for believing it wasn't real meat.

a mock is a species of long-haired oxen iirc

sorry, typing from phone, meant "mawk meat" - it kept going on & on about how great joy division was and why aren't there any good bands any more, etc

I have eaten free meat (via dumpster-diving acquaintances) on a number of occasions over the past couple years of being vegetarian, and never had any trouble. Ethically I am okay with this but a lot of people like to give me shit about it.

Also there is an all-you-can-eat chinese place in Oxford which is the only place with a vegan menu and I feel I may be becoming addicted to mock meat. This isn't exactly relevant but thought I'd share

I've always been skeptical about meat making long-time vegetarians sick. Anecdotal evidence suggests it is not a problem (I've known at least 4 vegetarians who started eating meat regularly and they were fine. Interestingly, all 4 of them started eating meat after 7 years off.) But people's bodies are different, so perhaps it's possible. I sort of wonder if the physical illness a vegetarian might feel could be based on disgust or other psychological reactions.

you guys not to extend my subediting tip to every thread I post on but the word 'thought' and the word 'though' are not the same thing

jumped back in after 10 years w/o to no ill effect

yo is it true aero got sonned by some foreigners after a mock beef??????

Louis, I'm pretty sure copy editing ILX will get you to 51 more quickly than just about anything you've ever done. #protip

also, I think only goole didn't catch that

Also there is an all-you-can-eat chinese place in Oxford

which one?

Do vegetarians lose the ability to digest meat? This is a strange idea to me. As a vegetarian of 7 years I reckon I eat meat once every 18 months. Usually by accident and I've been fine. I reckon I would have a physical problem with very fatty, oily meat products, though. The first reason for me not eating meat is that I don't like it and prefer my diet without it (I didn't eat much meat before). Ethically, I wouldn't be too caught up.

I didn't have any issue eating fish after being strictly vegetarian for eight years. I did work into it slowly, though, which was more for psychological reasons than physiological ones.

my sister was vegetarian for 10 years and ate a steak after her phase ended and said it was one of the greatest culinary experiences ever. I asked if she got sick afterwards and she said "nope".

ppl who hit the suggest ban button are even worse savages than the meat-eaters who chronically hit the suggest beef button imho

coulda sworn i saw that tofu walking down the street just the other day

caek: the pink giraffe on st. clement's. the vegetarian menu is the same size as the meat one, and the two or three not-vegan things are clearly marked. (i mean, i don't know if this is need-to-know information for you. they're not strictly good, i guess, but being able to have multiple courses of something that almost exactly passes for peking duck if you don't think about it too much -- i've discovered this is a precious thing to me.)

are there other strictly chinese all-you-can-eat places? i know there's a couple of terrifying pan-asian buffet type things

It is highly likely it will make them sick. You lose the ability to digest meat after not eating it for that long. Unpleasantly sick.

Any scientific data to back this up? I had accidental meat (thought it was mock meat, was in a foreign country and got confused) after 10 years of no meat and the only sick I got was disgusted

I can imagine that enzymes produced by the body to digest elastin and meat proteins might be secreted in lower amounts after years of vegetarianism, but you won't lose the ability to produce them.

have known way too many vegans who become hyper-anxious about the idea that they WILL get sick whenever they imagine that they might have eaten something animal-related (though they haven't) to ever take this idea seriously.

meat eaters who suggest beef all the goddamn time as if it's hilare are some disgusting savages tho

uhh, Here's Science with an actual answer.

This. You can get make or buy buffalo wing sauce pretty easily, then just toss some veggie chicken nuggets in it, or some seitan. Whatever. This is an easy one to avoid.

I've been talking myself out of getting a hamburger on a daily basis lately.

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American buffalo wings are pretty small too

Had a recent debate about how american 'buffalo' wings are just chicken wings pumped full of bullshit to make them HUUUGE. British chicken wings are the real size of wings, minuscule, almost meatless and reassuring.

― owenf

buffalo wings are just deep fried chicken wings with sauce. they are called "buffalo" because the style was invented in buffalo, ny. the size is the same as any normal chicken wing.

But everytime I go to the states they seem so huge. Guess it's been a while.

there ought to be a reconstituted chicken wing with "bones" made of hardtack and honey so there'd be no waste, and with divots so that the sauce can be injected directly into the "chicken". also the "marrow" is made of ice cream.

http://www.gardein.com/products.php?t=frozen

get on my level

so after being vegan/vegetarian for over a decade i've had some seafood and meat a few times this month. i feel ambivalent about it.

the seafood was a good experience, i feel okay about that. on our family vacation in north carolina my brother made crab cakes using my grandma's recipe and i felt like i was appreciating a family tradition, i've always felt alienating over the past 12 years passing up these crab cakes so it was nice to participate.

on the same trip my dad made these incredible pan-fried soft shelled crabs that were probably one of the best things i've ever eaten in my life. again this was kind of a family tradition for my dad to make these and most of the time it has been really easy being vegan/vegetarian but whenever he made these soft shelled crabs i felt like i was missing out. so i has happy i ate them.

then last week i went to a farmer's market in town and a vendor had a grill and was selling barbecue sandwiches w/ meat from locally raised animals from small farms in new england. i had a pulled pork sandwich, it was very intense. i was still okay with eating it.

the next day i had this burrito from a local burrito/tacqueria chain and had some pork w/ chili verde and it was really really gross, i felt pretty disgusting eating it and felt physically terrible all day and through the night.

i'm okay w/ having meat i think but i will need to figure out some way of balancing, i love being vegetarian but i think it is more the special occassion/family thing where i'd like to continue eating meat/seafood. like on thanksgiving my sister-in-law serves turkey that she raised and slaughtered on their family farm and it has really been weird passing that up for a "tofurky", so this year i think i will eat some.

cheese & eggs have been in my life for a few years now, i am definitely a much happier person with eggs and dairy in my diet.

Do u boo 👅

idgi m bison :(

buzza you imp!

― acoleuthic, Wednesday, October 27, 2010 7:12 PM (4 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Marcos, your posts felt like a confession, it's rly ok

lol they were totally a confession! I feel like I've been vegetarian forever. Most of the crew I hung around with in my twenties were vegan animal rights activists (and I married one, now vegetarian though)

I've been vegan going on 12 years now, wife's about 10, son been from birth. It's kind of second nature and I don't rly think abt it much anymore. Def more interested in other areas of food justice. Still plan on being vegan until I die at the age of 138

I will be the fattest old person over 110, life goal

I've been a vegetarian for 20 years. That's crazy.

OK here *my* confession - I eat seafood about 5x per year. I might stop that though - idk. I can't imagine eating any other kind of meat ever again which is probably down to my not eating it longer than I ate it for at this point.

And by seafood I really mean shellfish because it's the only kind I really like not that that distinction really makes a difference.

I'm not a vegetarian but without noticing I've all-but stopped buying and eating meat for some reason. There is no real reason I can think of.

expensive

yeah it's that, i think.

maybe u secretly love animals too

<3 animals

Especially with mustard.

noooooooooo!

<3 not eating animals

But have you ever tried one with mustard?

mustard tastes equally mustardy with veggie sausages or baked potatoes or braised kale fyi

idd no mustard diss, mustard is awesome and vegan too

i'm not a huge animal guy to be honest, and this is something people get a bit o_O with me about, but i never had pets growing up and so i've never had that special bond with non-human creatures a lot of people find natural.
but were i to quit meat for conscientious reasons, they would be environmental. the more i think about it, vegetarianism makes so much ecological and humanitarian sense, and the western world is now at a stage where given the choice, we could all just forego meat if we wanted to and make the world a better place.

i'm not a huge animal guy to be honest

huge animals are the best.

i was waiting for that.

the environment is where i take my dumps

and the western world is now at a stage where given the choice, we could all just forego meat if we wanted to and make the world a better place.

― 9 days from now a.k.a next weekend. (dog latin), Thursday, August 13, 2015 11:56 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Why 'the western world' here?

well not just the western world, but most of us do have the privilege of choosing exactly what we can and can't eat, so why not put it to good use?

"i'm not a huge animal guy to be honest, and this is something people get a bit o_O with me about, but i never had pets growing up and so i've never had that special bond with non-human creatures a lot of people find natural. "

You can get a pet now - it's never too late! ~ a huge animal person who can't imagine not having a pet and honestly thinks that everyeone who can should have one because the experience makes you a better person imo

And I totally get o_O at not animal people mostly because it's just something I can't comprehend.

i'm allergic to cats and have a residual fear of dogs from a bad childhood experience.

plus animals make your house smell bad and i have a hard time looking after my own life, let alone an animal's life.

plus renting a house = dodgy territory when it comes to keeping pets. my partner is pressing me on it though, so it may happen one day when we have a garden and don't have our front door going onto the road.

i have a hard time looking after my own life, let alone an animal's life.

should get one of those service animals then

we had goldfish when i was little and then our family got a cat when i was probably about 15, but that's when the constant sneezing and headaches started. i had three younger brothers and sisters and they were all animals, so not much room for pets.

monkey butler what about a monkey butler

i'll take it!

i p much can't stop watching this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0V9CoZNrNc

omg that is amazing

monkey butlers

http://www.monkeyhelpers.org/

dog latin i never had pets either growing up, i do feel amazement at animals in general though but i totally identify w/ you b/c of allergies and how that can impede your relationship to animals(or at least dogs and cats), i'm very allergic to both dogs and cats and my life would really be way shittier if i had them in my home, if i spend any time at someone's house with a dog or cat i have to dose up on a ton of allergy medication beforehand and i still feel the symptons. i think people are sometimes weirded out when a dog runs up to me all friendly and everything i just seem like really anxious and won't touch or pet them. if i do pet them i have to immediately wash my hands.

i think though if i wasn't allergic i'd probably have a dog

oh what am i talking about i had a turtle for about 6 years, he was amazing but we had to find a new home for him when my first son was born, it was just too much to handle and the tank gets so filthy and there is the salmonella risk. it was cool having him though when we did, but i kind of never want to have a turtle again, i put in my time and that's that