this interactive game is fascinating and fun/depressing in equal measure.
okay, you fix the budget
what programs do you cut, and whose taxes do you raise? or is the whole exercise worthless, since budget deficits are irrelevant?
― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 14 November 2010 14:42 (fifteen years ago)
budget deficits are OK in a recession. the 2030 figure is disturbing though.
i increased the medicare/soc security age to 68, stopped the wars, and put taxes back to 90s levels.
― my sex drew back into itself tight and dry (abanana), Sunday, 14 November 2010 15:50 (fifteen years ago)
oh bad luck- you were assassinated
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Sunday, 14 November 2010 15:53 (fifteen years ago)
yes to every military cut and reducing troops in iraq and afghanistan + reduce tax break for employer-provided health insurance + return estate tax to clinton-era levels + allow bush tax cut expiration for income above $250,000 + millionaire's tax on income above $1 million + elimiate loopholes but keep taxes slightly higher + carbon and bank tax = no 2030 shortfall and no domestic cuts
― iatee, Sunday, 14 November 2010 16:02 (fifteen years ago)
cutting programs i don't like and raising taxes on other people solves the shortfall. c'mon congress!
― Kerm, Sunday, 14 November 2010 16:09 (fifteen years ago)
tbf isn't that what presidents do?
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Sunday, 14 November 2010 16:10 (fifteen years ago)
raising taxes on other people
for maximum efficiency, i recommend raising taxes only to those on a specially-prepared "enemies list"
― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 14 November 2010 16:11 (fifteen years ago)
i think i did what iatee did
― wakafledia (k3vin k.), Sunday, 14 November 2010 16:16 (fifteen years ago)
no I raised taxes on k3vin k too
― iatee, Sunday, 14 November 2010 16:18 (fifteen years ago)
nvm didn't read the last bullet point
your taxes are now 105% of income btw
― iatee, Sunday, 14 November 2010 16:19 (fifteen years ago)
it's ok i like taxes
― wakafledia (k3vin k.), Sunday, 14 November 2010 16:20 (fifteen years ago)
I dunno I think this game just highlights that our deficit is an impossible political problem and not an impossible economic problem. as big as the gap might be, it doesn't require raising taxes to 50% on everybody (excep kev) it just requires a handful of huge reforms
― iatee, Sunday, 14 November 2010 16:25 (fifteen years ago)
I did more or less what iatee did, too. Cut any tax breaks and social security for rich people/employers, cut military spending (not all of it, though), yanked Fed. government contractors. Pretty OTM about this being a political problem and not an economic one. I want someone in charge who thinks like I do and doesn't care about pissing off people who don't like like I do.
― phantoms from a world gone by speak again the immortal tale: (Jenny), Sunday, 14 November 2010 17:13 (fifteen years ago)
think like I do, not "like like I do."
cut/froze pay of fed workersreduce federal workforcecut govt contractorscut aid to statesreduce nuclear arsenal/sdireduce troops in iraq/afghanistan to 60k by 2015enact medical malpractice reformincrease medicare eligibility to 70increase social security eligibility to 70means testing for social securitytighten disability eligibilitycap medicare growthreturn estate tax to clinton levelsreturn capital gains tax to clinton levelsreturn income tax to clinton levels
DONE
― balls, Sunday, 14 November 2010 17:30 (fifteen years ago)
Why the government contracts out what it could do itself for 1/3 the price is baffling to me.
― Bull fighting, Paris, hunting, suicide (kenan), Sunday, 14 November 2010 20:57 (fifteen years ago)
part of the problem with this game is that it doesn't force you to make the really hard and specific choices. killing gov't contracts sounds easy -- even appealing -- in the abstract, but it's hard when you have to consider the projects that would be abandoned, and the economic damage to the affected contractors and their employees and their communities.
― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 14 November 2010 20:59 (fifteen years ago)
Hey... they started this whole contractor business, not me.
― Bull fighting, Paris, hunting, suicide (kenan), Sunday, 14 November 2010 21:03 (fifteen years ago)
In my world, we cut the contractors and hire employees instead. This is based on something I read somewhere some time ago about the relative cost of using contractors vs. employees, and how most of the federal jobs cut under GWB ended up being contracted out (often to his buddies) at a higher cost. It's also based on working in the public sector and seeing a similar dynamic in my place of employment.
― phantoms from a world gone by speak again the immortal tale: (Jenny), Sunday, 14 November 2010 22:47 (fifteen years ago)
So, to be fair, under my scheme, there won't be the same amount of savings, but I like full-time w/ bennies/pension job creation a lot and am willing to sacrifice a totally balanced budget for that.
― phantoms from a world gone by speak again the immortal tale: (Jenny), Sunday, 14 November 2010 22:48 (fifteen years ago)