Vigilante Justice

Your modern take? Do you have instances where you take your own pound of flesh?

the only real justice imo. somebody's gotta take out the trash. and that somebody...is me.

they call me The Garbageman

^ like

my new thing is keying cabs that don't stop, even if their light is off, or dudes who stop, ask where you're going and won't unlock the doors. Also, I cut up seats if I get in the car and start bitching.

even if their light is off should read even if their light is on.

I went the full Buffy on a guy who was drunkenly harassing me and a friend on the Tube. All the other passengers were cowed or looking over at us with embarrassment, as people often do on public transport. He kept standing on our feet and went for the full range of sexist insults when we told him to stop, and kept barging into us. When we reached our destination, I told my friend to get clear, called out, 'hey, asshole!' and when he lunged forward, I spat a massive and truly special lung cookie into his face, tripped him onto the carriage floor, and swung myself out of the carriage using the overhead bar as the doors closed on our attacker.

Note: I'm about 5'3". He was 6'5" and built like a brick shithouse.

Too bad the UK doesn't have conceal and carry. Just reading that post enrages me. My how illiberal I sound.

Too bad you don't own a gun. Then you could hold it to your temple and fire it.

I am so, so sorry, please write some more, I didn't mean to offend it was a light-hearted post and you are such a terrific writer with so many interesting stories.

Everyone has the power to do harm to one another, but without some sort of sanction from the community and some sort of process for obtaining that sanction, using the power to harm others cannot result in any benefit to the community. Harming others upon your own sanction, for your own personal benefit, is never legitimate, however justified and righteous you feel about it.

this reminds of that part in 2666 where the friends beat the shit out of a misogynist cab driver

my friends and I once stole $400 from a frat dude's desk drawer and then went out and bought drinks for women that did not contain Rohypnol

Sorry Jimmy The Mod, I don't really think keying cars is really justifiable.

None of the examples in this thread seem particularly justifiable TBH.

If someone broke into my home with intend to do bodily harm, and I was able to subdue said person, I could imagine giving him a few gratuitous whacks and feeling entirely justified about it. But basically vigilante justice is not a good thing.

closest i've come lately is slyly waterig my neighbours drive during the hard freeze.

agree that everything so far seems waaaay over the top

my friends and I once stole $400 from a frat dude's desk drawer and then went out and bought drinks for women that did not contain Rohypnol

I'm hoping there was more of a story behind this other than "lol all frat dudes rape and we should steal from them", otherwise you are a huge asshole.

I liked suzy's story! That big dude was a drunk jerk. And buffy is awesome.

spitting on people is never acceptable.

trying to kick them in the head because they said something nasty to your friend is of course fine.

(shouldn't drink)

I think there should be some overlap with this thread.

especially spitting in someone's face

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You guys are crazy! There are SO many people who deserve spit in their face!

The thing about Suzy's story (and I don't mean to single out Suzy, just using it as an example) is how easily that situation could have been defused. They could have moved to a different part of the train or gotten off at the next station and waited for a later train. Spitting in someone's face and then tripping them just seems like the worst way to handle the situation. And that's my suspicion with most cases of "vigilante justice." They all seem to revolve around bad judgment brought on by rage.

Nope. Fuck public bullying. Sorry, but I cant fingerwag at that one.

They could have moved to a different part of the train or gotten off at the next station and waited for a later train.

itt Super Cub solves sexual harrassment

yeah I'd have no qualms beating the shit out of anyone who's called me (or anyone) a faggot, sorry.

Wow, I guess I'm just conflict averse. The last thing I would want to do with a big bully in a public place is get into a confrontation. It's not like you're going to convince him of his bad ways. In my mind, there is no way to change people or even "society." I would like to live in a world with less conflict, so I try my best to avoid promoting conflict. I would prefer running away than spitting in someone's face, but I guess that's a personal decision.

To clarify, I fundamentally believe that violence is totally unacceptable, but I can't make someone less violent by attacking them.

i think there's a fairly wide manoeuvring space btwn moving carriages and spitting in someone's face as you leave, could be just me

good for you xp

If Im alone, I wouldnt do anything. And personally I would probably duck my head & leave asap. BUT if you can pull off what Suzy did, like Suzy did, then fucking hats off. Because that kind of humiliation/bullying *deserves* retaliation with extreme prejudice

oh and fwiw you can't move carriages on the (London) tube until the next stop

i think there's a fairly wide manoeuvring space btwn moving carriages and spitting in someone's face as you leave, could be just me

― chortlin acoleuthic (darraghmac), Sunday, December 12, 2010 8:22 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark

I totally agree. I am assuming that the situation had escalated beyond more measured responses.

good for you xp

― I love you girls but that music is for radical faeries (Matt P), Sunday, December 12, 2010 8:23 PM (11 minutes ago)

I'm glad you approve.

and FWIW, I readily admit that my position on this issue is a form of cowardice.

vigilante buttstice

itt: frontin'

once... i... killed a man

if you can pull off what Suzy did, like Suzy did, then fucking hats off. Because that kind of humiliation/bullying *deserves* retaliation with extreme prejudice

― Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Sunday, December 12, 2010 8:25 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

YES. no one should be expected to lie down and take that shit. running away may be sensible but i would always, always want to retaliate. brava suzy.

vigilant e-justice

wd anyone care to advance a justification for akshul vigilanteism, as opposed to self defence?

swayed while rescreening the complete ouvre of michael winner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuKeUAavpnU

i mean vigilanteism inna paulsgrove stylee scarcely even offers pre-emptive self defence as justification, it's more about h8 h8 h8 (in that instance h8in paedos)

I don't blame suzy for what she did, but this description:

I spat a massive and truly special lung cookie into his face, tripped him onto the carriage floor, and swung myself out of the carriage using the overhead bar as the doors closed on our attacker.

made me think of that scene from The Lost World where the lil girl uses gymnastics to beat up a velociraptor

loool me too!

you're not suggesting that suzy's unconscious mind perhaps......embellished that tale via stuff from old movies and sublimated phantasy?

I'm actually not suggesting that! That's you, suggesting a thing.

And me, suggesting a ban~

irish u tard

u_u

corey lj owes u one

now keep needlin him, see what we can get outta him while he's drunk and feisty

gtfo w/ yr fat anglo saxon fuckbuddies

dmac siding with the black and tans

srsly am i to be the defender of eire and all that is holy ;_;

p sure that lady is pregnant, but enjoy all the sb's i'm p sure you're garnering itt mayne

enjoy yr pieces of silver

football derail: warranted vigilantism

was it for this the wild geese flew

u r the rev paisley to my tragic parnell

i loved too much and was sold down the river

while u were happy to take the queen's shilling ;_;

tbf i'm redmond to yr parnell, you've gone overboard and i'll be there for the cause in a quieter, more dignified way

^LOL.

I've told the story on ILX in the past; logistically the guy gave me a perfect opportunity to kick his legs out from under him. I could never have done what I did if I hadn't known a) roughly how long the doors stay open at stops b) that our door opened onto the exit so I could send my friend there to watch and wait c) dude was drunk enough to be somewhat movement-impaired though he had no probs shooting off his mouth and d) I've always been small so my uncle the cop taught me self-defense tricks no bully ever expects smaller people will use (when I was 12, I got chased by a pervert in a car while on my bike, having fled the strip-mall where dude had asked me if I wanted to see his cock, hence the special cop ninja lessons).

This started because a guy could not handle two teeny-tiny women asking him politely not to step on them. He launched into a tirade where we were called bitches, sluts, virgins, lesbians, and ugly in rapid succession - I guess he just couldn't make up his mind what we were - while an entire carriage looked on and said NOTHING. He also kept stepping on and nudging us - and my friend was barely five feet tall. I would've been mortified if I hadn't been so angry but it was the kind of anger that goes cold and silent while it plots a bully's imminent downfall. I wanted him to be on his ass on the bottom of the carriage while onlookers laughed and that's exactly where he wound up... having to ride all the way home with them.

I am firmly of the belief that if I am minding my own business in a public place (or indeed in a packed Tube carriage) it's the person misbehaving who should leave me alone or move.

srsly everyone will congratulate u but i dunno how wise that is

last time some remedial moron flashed v signs at me after cutting ahead of car behind (us in a nice car, he in lol customised nova or some piece of shit), i made a graphic suggestion as to what wd happen to him gaol

so psycho leaves car runnning at lights and gets out ranting incoherenlty as we drive off

generally i think it's best to be chill and just gtfo without provoking the mentally impaired

/in/ gaol

fuk u our bright yellow vauxhall nova 1.2 sr lasted like 20 years and was the best car

someone in thamesmead has added a fuckoff bassbin and halogen lights to yr beloved and is seducing a fourteen year old romanian girl in it as u type

suzy's story is pretty kickass I gotta say - and not a moment too soon, air was turning green

oh lol

in reality, having survived flood and field my mum ended up writing the damn thing off. that thing shd have been pushed out to sea on a burning boat, ended up rusting in a scrapyard ;_;

also a distant cousin of mine in lon guylind got badly assaulted when she stopped some degenerate piece of shit stealing a car ;_;

so i have a carte blanche nonaggression policy wrt property crimes; let the morons damage/take what they will, if it's worth anything it's insured, remember any salient details for the police...

I'm not a big fan of it IRL but I absolutely love revenge fantasy movies. The Death Wish series, Rolling Thunder, Shooter, Harry Brown... they are really satisfying to me for some reason.

harry brown was absorbing hyperviolent youthhating schlock that was utterly ruined by the last 5 'redemptive' minutes

the youth, themselves forgiven everything, forgive age nothing, and therefore are well overdue a fackin shivving

I like to deal w/public conflicts by leaving while flipping the bird over my shoulder and not looking back. It's the not looking back part that really enrages people. It works a treat & is so cathartic, plus no one has ever been hurt by being flipped off.

^ more this meself

vigilanteism is like going out looking for thugs and beating them up preemptively, or 'fighting crime'

most of y'all are talking about self-defense. anyway, i have never really retaliated in any meaningful way, being a ~peaceful man~, but i used to dream about carrying broken sparkplugs in my pocket in case i got fucked with by a car while working as a messenger.

xp abbott otm

harry brown was absorbing hyperviolent youthhating schlock that was utterly ruined by the last 5 'redemptive' minutes

nope. It was a great movie. All of it. You're wrong.

A man can be an artist... in anything, food, whatever. It depends on how good he is at it. Creasey's art is death. He's about to paint his masterpiece.

lol

haha my favourite one was when I was on a crosscountry train to Bristol and I was walking down the central aisle and I brushed past someone quite heavily - nothing not instantly forgettable - and dude turned on me angrily. I listened to him raving at me and then said, very calmly, something along the lines of "leave me alone and calm down you aggressive ****" at which point he would have genuinely tried to beat me to a pulp if his partner hadn't restrained him. "WHAT DID YOU SAY? WHAT DID YOU SAYYY"

itt irl sbs

n.b. I never resolve anything w/ violence but can understand those who do/have to

aw viceroy, that movie shd totally end with the final apocalyptic tableau in the pub

you were in the wrong imo

i can tell from yr 25 word summary u know

blessed are the peacemakers yall

blessed are the peacemakers yall

http://www.nicolesgunsales.com/productpictures/Web%20Page%20Picture%201873%20Peacemaker%20380%20Cal.%20Blank%20Firing%20Pistol.jpg

indeed!

yeah generally i think it's wise to go thru adult life without getting into violent confrontation with strangers

...esp. if you are in the US, where one or both persons may end up pulling out a gun.

NB: Viceroy's pic appears to include these immortal words, GUN TOYS BRL(??)

Would love to see Next Media Taiwan's cgi version of Suzy vs. Subway jackass.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/8197617/German-man-castrates-teenage-daughters-57-year-old-boyfriend.html

When was the last time anyone saw the Guardian Angels on the London tube? When I first moved down here in the early 90's they were all over the place.

Horrible realisation - I might be old and boring and never travel at a time of day wherein I might need some protection.

I used to see them in the French Quarter in New Orleans fairly often after Katrina. We tried to talk them into drinking with us a few times but they were bores.

ninja justice!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-14689055

Victims are scum but kinda disgusted at people cheering on this extrajudicial killing

https://www.wftv.com/news/trending/inmate-confesses-beating-two-convicted-child-molesters-death-after-warning-prison-officials-he-would/3QE2VYDRHRE5PGSMRMKO3OENTM/

An overwhelming percentage of prisoners began life in truly horrible conditions, with a majority of them suffering though some form of child abuse during their formative years*. This is completely unsurprising and I'm not mourning those people's deaths.

*: https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/fs000204.pdf

Don't need to mourn anybody's deaths, but openly cheering extrajudicial murder as 'punishment' is grotesque. Not that you were, of course...but a few people I know IRL are.

It's one incident but these kinds of actions belong to the family as death squads.

*same family