I knew he was in terrible shape, but this is unexpected.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 01:35 (fifteen years ago)
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/12/11/richard.holbrooke.obit/
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 01:36 (fifteen years ago)
yeah heard the news of his surgery on the way into work this morning, news of his death coming home tonight. stunned to say the least; i'm sure he was far too much of a hawk for most ilxors and his history w/ east timor can't be glossed over or spun positively but the man was a giant. his role in ending the war in bosnia cannot be overstated. rip.
― balls, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 03:05 (fifteen years ago)
Maybe the last of the Henry Stimson-Charles Evans Hughes type diplomat/scholar whose interests intersected (uncomfortably) between finance and diplomacy.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 03:12 (fifteen years ago)
hell has a new guest
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 03:48 (fifteen years ago)
As Mr. Holbrooke was sedated for surgery, family members said, his final words were to his Pakistani surgeon: "You've got to stop this war in Afghanistan."
― goole, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 05:34 (fifteen years ago)
jeez
― aka the pope (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 06:20 (fifteen years ago)
fucking monster
"It's such a precise weapon, the Predator, that if they were aiming at your producers over there,” Richard Holbrooke, the Obama administrations special representative to Afganistan and Pakistan intoned to a skeptical Rachel Maddow on Monday, “you and I could continue our conversation. It’s very very small; does that not appeal to you, that idea?”
http://www.counterpunch.org/ehrenpreis09292010.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/frank01272009.html
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 12:52 (fifteen years ago)
Forgot he wrote one of the Pentagon Papers volumes.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 13:57 (fifteen years ago)
In wee morning hours on Friday, January 23, a U.S. spy plane killed at least 15 in Pakistan near the Afghanistan border. It was Barack Obama’s first blood and the U.S.’s first violation of Pakistan’s sovereignty under the new administration.
well, a terrible day for westphalia no doubt, but im not sure this is true. feel like the pakistani govt has signed off on the US drone strikes -- in return for x y and z, sure. any case it's mildly ludicrous to talk about pakistani sovereignty in this context. its elected government barely has that.
― Breakin': Based on the Novel "Two" by Electric Boogaloo (history mayne), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 14:05 (fifteen years ago)
sry, that's from norns's link
Dr. Nornius
― Auto Mall Maniac (kkvgz), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 14:49 (fifteen years ago)
I will never forget his longwinded speech (1 hour+) at my graduation, but not in a good way.
― THX THO... (Nicole), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 14:52 (fifteen years ago)
a faithful servant of the imperial war machine
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 15:11 (fifteen years ago)
lol?
hope the doc got right on it
― from the lowly milligeir to the mighty gigahongro (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 18:13 (fifteen years ago)
http://www.belgraviadispatch.com/2010/12/post_124.html
― goole, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 20:33 (fifteen years ago)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/14/holbrooke-last-words-afghanistan-obama_n_796628.html
well that's weird isn't it
― goole, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 18:35 (fifteen years ago)
Holbrooke's recent passing inspired typical encomiums from standard outlets like The New York Times, who respect war criminals with good table manners. I would say that The Nation's parting kiss to Holbrooke surprised me, but given what Katrina vanden Heuvel has done to that once decent magazine, I merely nodded as Barbara Crossette (a Times vet, natch) applied rouge to Holbrooke's cheeks.
Among several howlers, Crossette's claim that "[w]ithin the UN system, Holbrooke had some achievements that were not often widely recognized. One was ending the pariah status of Israel, a cause of much American criticism," stood out. I'm not sure which planet Crossette is describing here, but her sympathies on this front are open and clear. Yet this is nothing compared to what Crossette omitted: Holbrooke's key role in arming and backing Indonesia's genocidal violence in East Timor. Were Holbrooke a Serbian state functionary, this alone would have landed him in the Hague along with reams of official vilification. But in The Nation -- y'know, the progressive magazine that's on YOUR side? -- Holbrooke is seen as a triumphant, if controversial, American patriot, his greatest crime airbrushed away.
I wonder if when making out his will, Holbrooke considered The Nation. They certainly deserve a cut.
http://dennisperrin.blogspot.com/2010/12/i-for-insanity.html
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 18 December 2010 01:41 (fifteen years ago)
East Timor was an atrocity that ranks well up on the long list of 20th century atrocities. Complicity in it should be considered as complicity in tyranny, bloodshed, and injustice so rank as to stink to heaven. But in terms of crime, I can't say Holbrooke was a major actor in this crime. He didn't originate the policy of the USA government in blessing this atrocity. Kissinger was the main source of this evil, while Holbrooke was just the helpful functionary who facilitated the policy.
Sure, he didn't refuse the job. It even helped his carreer. That's a huge moral blot. But, if you're going to pour out resentments, there are dozens of worse criminals to focus on, mostly Indonesians, but also several Americans who were more instrumental in this crime than he was.
― Aimless, Saturday, 18 December 2010 02:44 (fifteen years ago)
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2012/06/james_mann_s_the_obamians_excerpt_richard_holbrooke_barack_obama_and_hillary_clinton.html
― balls, Thursday, 14 June 2012 11:29 (thirteen years ago)