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― mark s, Sunday, 4 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

it's in two parts and the formatting needs a bit of work: over to you

― mark s, Sunday, 4 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

you magnificent bastard.

will read when have coffee.

― jess, Sunday, 4 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i do hate you you know

― david h(0wie), Sunday, 4 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think I've captured the whole scope of the ideas on whow here when I say: you don't really like Level 42 do you?

― Martin Skidmore, Sunday, 4 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

it's the chosen fools
who make the rules
that don't apply to me
with their fast-car games
and counter claims
not my reality

― mark s, Sunday, 4 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

just read part one. I like all the references to the movies and the books though I haven't read or seen any of these you mention so I can't 'get' everything.

have however seen most of the TV and have heard most of the music/artists you mention.

A lot of the things you've said have, er...'hit home' actually (things you hinted at in the original wire piece). I'm actually learning quite a bit abt the history of some of this music (the fanzines that sprung up in the 80s, Xenakis and darmasdat) since I have only hear recs.

I can definetely see why it took a long time to finish. Onto part two...

― Julio Desouza, Sunday, 4 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

haha, the problem with this is that you read one sentence and it says something interesting about something and you've gotta go google yr little heart out and find something. I started reading part 1 and have spent last half hour reading that Frank Kogan interview. Brilliant mark

― david h(0wie), Sunday, 4 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I wuv mark sinker and I want to have his baby.

― Michael Daddino, Sunday, 4 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

hate as in wub, obv.

― david h(0wie), Sunday, 4 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

(jess you shd be on the thanx list actually)

― mark s, Sunday, 4 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

finished! It's excellent and much much clearer (no wonder the editors mucked up, it must've been tough to edit this and retain the clarity of what you're trying to say)...the advantage of being old is that you can collect all this 'stuff' for us youngsters like us so as david said, there's a lot of references to pick up.

The highlights of part 2: the daphne-celeste on the really bad never mind the buzzcocks, your diff reading of the pistols on Bill grundy, the bangbus reference, the stuff on Xenakis and also the ''Stewart Home Can Suck My Cock Till I Cum Blood'' was very good. do you still have that rant mark? sounds priceless...

many very good things here but I must have lunch and read and write myself. I have my own bits of 'knowledge' to compress...

― Julio Desouza, Sunday, 4 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Mark, that's one of the most brilliant things I've ever read. I have no idea what you're talking about much of the time (I need to print it out and read it again when I'm feeling more alert) but...wow. You may be my new favorite writer.

Out of curiosity, how long'd it take you to write that?

― Justyn Dillingham, Sunday, 4 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

How old is he? Half that, I guess.

― david h(0wie), Sunday, 4 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

This is even more majestic and dazzlingly brilliant than I had expected, full of great writing and wonderful, funny moments. I feel the same way about rereading it, but it's not quick and easy work. Thank you, anyway.

― Martin Skidmore, Sunday, 4 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah more adoring praise from this corner. i'll need to read it again on a fuller stomach and with more care, attention and googling but it's 1)super-keen and 2)an improvement on the original wire piece (which i thought was mind-expanding enough at the time anyway)

― mitch lastnamewithheld, Sunday, 4 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

more praise etc. initial reaction - I want to see Queen of the Damned (& reread the essay when fed/slept).

― Ess Kay, Sunday, 4 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Is it decadent and wrong for me to much prefer reading Kogan and Mark on Meltzer than actually reading Meltzer himself?

― Michael Daddino, Sunday, 4 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Not so much decadent and wrong as eminently accurate and worthy. Will have my own comments on it once I can read it thoroughly, hopefully tonight. Doubtless I will do little than nod my head sagely and agree, though. ;-)

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 4 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

>>> "the PF Nation convulsed into envious resistance"

― the pinefox, Sunday, 4 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

haha I still don't much want to see Queen of the Damned, though last Tuesday Mark was trying to tell me why it was the greatest film ever made. (Two days later another brilliant pal of mine was telling me he was wrong, because it was really Flash Gordon.) The Sight And Sound greatest movies ever poll might be less predictable than usual this time, since Mark gets a vote, but I'm putting my money on Citizen Kane still finishing above Queen of the Damned (I wouldn't have either in my top ten).

― Martin Skidmore, Sunday, 4 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

grrr they are puny visionless fools i tell you (= i forgot to vote)

― mark s, Sunday, 4 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

This is probably because you misinterpreted their exhortations to vote as suggestions that you personally were one of the ten best films ever, and got confused.

― Martin Skidmore, Sunday, 4 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

will read when have coffee.

Jess, can you do anything without coffee?

― Chupa-Cabras, Sunday, 4 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

it really is an astonishing piece mark s and several spirals' distance from the wire article, which i remembered but didn't know was yours. first impression (and i'm with everyone else; i'll certainly need another read at least): what initially seems less focused than the wire version from section to section --- structurewise but also/particularily in the number of ideas being suspended and spun in midair at a time --- incredibly isn't. rather it's much LESS fragmented once the ideas begin to pile up. likewise the more disparate the references, the more the things-i-think-you're-driving-at begin to take shape. this is all totally obvious i guess but given my attention span lately, no small accomplishment.

(it also strikes me now that the wire version was ridden with clues that i missed, most notably all the photos of Bangs, which in strongly suggesting it be read as "about Bangs" provided a significant amount of interfering signal/noise noise on their own. maybe that was the point. the piece is much easier to be swept along by without a visual reference constantly making you feel like either you're missing something or the writer is running off the rails.)

out of curiousity did "what you enjoy and others hate" turn from "Level 42, Tool, Destiny’s Child" to "Swans, Jungle, Destiny's Child" for ILX's sake or the Wire's? nice to see DC bucking received wisdom in both cases at any rate ha ha.

― The Actual Mr. Jones, Sunday, 4 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

haha i hadn't considered that constant readers might notice and wonder abt the changing "hates"

i am beyonce's bitch obv

― mark s, Sunday, 4 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

really i guess i changed em becuz i had read them so often they felt old and lame as a list

― mark s, Sunday, 4 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

well Level 42 has already raised Mr. Skidmore's eyebrows (and Tool mine to be honest) so you must be doing something right

― The Actual Mr. Jones, Sunday, 4 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Bookmarked for a more clear headed time. Well done.

― Matt, Sunday, 4 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

mark s. quit blowing my mind!

― Arthur, Sunday, 4 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, I loved it too.

― Arthur, Sunday, 4 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

HURRAH! I need to find time to read it though. :-( But why are there links to my site from your weblog? I noticed this on my webalizer page. I remember showing the book to my friend and he exclaimed: "ERIC CLAPTON gets mentioned? NO FREAKING BOREDOMS???? THIS BOOK IS OBV CRAPOLA!" heheh Uh, Mark, we ALL wuv you. Well, I do. :-)

― nathalie, Monday, 5 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Of course Mark S is wuved! It is His Function to be wuved, surely. :-)

My attempt at deep thoughts will have to pass since I've just finished watching Time Bandits for the first time in years and remembering just how fantastic a film it is. So I will go to bed with that twisted bliss in my mind.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

(nath you are host to my pictures remember)

― mark s, Monday, 5 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

(uh yes, but you dind't post those pics on tashpile - which it links to. whatever. :-) )

― nathalie, Monday, 5 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

no but i linked to them!! is that a goof?

― mark s, Monday, 5 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Note 1: Merzbox isn't actually an attempt to cull Masami Akita's complete works. It's more an odds 'n' sods compilation: unreleased complete albums, live tracks, working tapes cannibalized to create noisier shit, the resurrection of long out-of-print casettes, and so on.

Note 2: The world needs more Bangs/B*ngb*s wordplay.

― Michael Daddino, Monday, 5 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

And the title headers are FAAAABuLOUS!

― Michael Daddino, Monday, 5 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Goof? Uh, i dunno what it means. But all is OKAY with MAY. :-)

― nathalie, Monday, 5 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Shut up and play guitar!

― david h(0wie), Monday, 5 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

ok grrr in my sudden keenness to get it out into the world at last, i think i have rendered part two unre-editable: unless one of you guys knows how to edit something that's been ARCHIVED in pitas (they are not returning my emails) (admittedly i am somewhat abusing the blog format so possibly this is just deserts)

― mark s, Tuesday, 6 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm sort've shocked that there's ppl (Michael D! Ned!) who don't think that the Meltz isn't, at the very least, a brilliant stylist - name me a FUNNIER rockwrite clown, please!

― Andrew L, Tuesday, 6 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm currently giving Meltzer a second chance and am finding that I like him very much indeed. Is Aesthetics of Rock stil in print?

― Justyn Dillingham, Tuesday, 6 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I saw a copy in Foyles the other day and thought abt picking up it, however, finances meant that I didn't. So I assume it would be easy enough to find. I still have not finished reading the noise piece (and even then it is the pre-release that I printed off ages ago and lost and then found and haf now lost again) but I liked it although dunno who this Meltzer geezer is.

I am hoping the bits I haven't read yet talk about Pokémon. Hurrah for Aayliah slash porn disco queen ov thee dammed!!

― Sarah, Tuesday, 6 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

haha who is it wrote that thing about joyce sitting up in bed after finishing ulysses and shouting "oh no!! i forgot to mentions YACHTS or KIWI FRUIT!! OH NO!!"

― mark s, Tuesday, 6 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Who is Meltzer then - gimme a synopsis (as I am too broke to read his books and too lazy to google).

― Sarah, Tuesday, 6 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

you will find out who RM is if you read through carefully looking for the long and detailed (yet curiously easy to overlook by scanning or "search word" trickery) section on jigglypuff

― mark s, Tuesday, 6 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hmph wot? I can't find it and I think you are LYING waaa.

― Sarah, Tuesday, 6 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Sarah - here's a good resource for Meltzer-related blah:

rockwrite whatsit

― Andrew L, Tuesday, 6 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Here's my Meltzer review and here's an ILM thread about him.

― Frank Kogan, Friday, 9 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i spent tuesday afternoon reading mark's piece and "vinyl reckoning" back to back (i had read both before of course.) i think i broke my brain.

― jess, Friday, 9 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Isn't anyone going to say they dislike it?

― david h, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

hush you

― mark s, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

hahaha Jess, I know! But keep on rererrrrrreading it. I wuv it!

― nathalie, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

What the heck does it mean?

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― //\\//\\, Monday, 12 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It's the HTML equivalent of noise!

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 12 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

four months pass...

I put this in my Foucault essay's bibliography with a huge scrawled quote at the top of one of my paragraphs: "Madness is whatever kinds of thinking there will never be a history of." Along with Meltzer's "Vinyl Reckoning" and some other somesuch. No mention of Queen of The Damned though; I did wake up the next morning and think "Shit, I forgot to mention 'Revolutionary Road' and The World's Smallest Cinema." (It was about 'The Carceral').

― dwh (dwh), Sunday, 5 January 2003 18:08 (twenty-two years ago)

haha I even got to use the phrase "Meltzerian mishmash"!!

― dwh (dwh), Sunday, 5 January 2003 18:09 (twenty-two years ago)

well don't blame me if you get marked down!!

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 5 January 2003 19:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I got an A!!

― Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 18 January 2003 12:40 (twenty-two years ago)

oh tempura oh morays

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 18 January 2003 13:19 (twenty-two years ago)

ah, so cozen =

― jel -- (jel), Saturday, 18 January 2003 13:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm sure that makes sense.

― Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 18 January 2003 13:21 (twenty-two years ago)

jel has just worked out who you were the artist previously known as cozen

(unless the marking system is startlingly unfair)

ps well done obv

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 18 January 2003 13:34 (twenty-two years ago)

HMM I think the og article would be better as graphic novel

(lots of nudity, obv)

― Tom Millar (Millar), Saturday, 18 January 2003 13:56 (twenty-two years ago)

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