Psychedelics - "far freakin' out" or "bummer, man"?

As for the come-down phase of acid. I always found that a six-pack or a bottle of good whiskey put you right back on yr feet. And the great thing is it's impossible to get drunk :)

PS. The Bee Gees' "Dont forget to remember me" sounds AMAZING on acid. Those strings are orgasm-inducing.

Stuff that sucks in those circumstances: anything that seems to be trying too hard. You have enough crazy shit going on around you -- the last thing you need is bad music jumping around in your speakers and demanding your attention. Stuff that's good in those circumstances: anything that seems friendly. Something about mushrooms always makes this huge split appear between music that's trying to impress you and music that's actually trying to offer you, the listener, an exciting or pleasant experience.

That said, mushrooms now strike me as something to be done only by bored college students with lots of time on their hands. I don't think their effect is inherently pleasurable -- they just mess your perceptions up so that the process of putting things back together winds up seeming either interesting or funny.

So, while I don't think it's for everyone, I do think that anything that the government doesn't want you to have THAT badly is probably a good thing. I'm not one to constantly push conspiracy theories (yeah, right) but acid really makes you think about stuff HARD. Usually, people feel better about themselves once they experience an acid trip and see the faults of society clearer than ever before. People who do acid mature suddenly, have more compassion, start getting into causes they feel are important, though the rest of the world just considers them kooky hippies with pipe dreams. Too much acid is definitely a bad thing. If I continued doing it, I probably would have really skewed my interpretation of reality. Once the bad trips start coming, there is always an element of badness to every trip thereafter. Basically, bad trips are nothing more than a representation of your deepest fear and usually this is about self-image. Y'see, people constantly lie about who they are. People are afraid that if they be who they really are that people will think their dorks or crazy or both. Bad trips occur when you fear that you are not acting normal, that you aren't normal. It usually starts out when trippers start playing with those fun MIND GAMES that they all do. What they don't realize at the time is that they're exploring the idea of how they represent themselves to other people by blatantly fucking with the other person's head. It starts out for kicks for completely unknown reasons. But, it never leads anywhere good. I don't care how strong your constitution is, eventually you will run out of the house convinced everyone's against you, when everyone might think you're in on the joke.

Basically, if psychedelics are used the way those experienced people always tell you, you know, in a safe environment with people you trust (who aren't going to fuck with you), I can't imagine having a bad trip. But, when people get really used to acid, they're suddenly going to huge house parties where everyone's freaking out and communication is totally fucked. Kegs are killed in 15 minutes because when you trip, you can drink 5 bottles of whiskey and you won't get drunk, but it certainly helps take the edge off.

What I'm trying to say is, I'm undecided. They were fun when I did 'em, but I probably will never do them again. It actually just got boring to look at things and stare into the face of total oddness.

http://digilander.iol.it/irimias/dmt_guide.html

So we all had to calm the cow down and rub it and eventually he (our friend) said "he's ok now! he's really ok!". God drugs are silly.

Obviously E is more my thing.

Although the etymology of the phrase remains unclear, a poster in the psychedelic drug enthusiast BlueLight[5] forum claims the use of phrase “tripping balls” dates as far back as 1985, referring to bouncy balls that served as talismans to help people connect with reality while under the effects of a hallucinogen. One of the earliest mentions online comes from the post script of a drug report on the online psychoactive plants and chemicals library Erowid[7]submitted on June 13th, 2000. The phrase has been increasingly used in popular novels, films and TV shows, with the earliest notable mentions found in the 2004 comedy film Harold & Kumar Goes to White Castle and numerous episodes of South Park.[12]

Psychs seem to be staging quite the comeback these days, just in time to help get you through Trumplandia.

Microdosing though?

i dig the microdose idea.

i know a lot of people my age around where i am who trip and i just can't...it took me years to get rid of all the weird afterimages i would see after high school. little weird animals scurrying around outside my field of vision. but everyone loves to tell me how CLEAN and PURE acid is now compared to the speed-soaked stuff i gobbled in the 80's. so, it's a little tempting. maybe when my kids move out of the house i will become a psychedelic netflix watcher. if trump hasn't destroyed netflix by then.

id love to do shrooms again. it's been almost 20 years since i last did them. everyone i know in their 30s and 40s who did them in their younger years says the same thing. it would take a weekend outing though

Shrooms are great in small doses, wonderful mixed into a smoothie. Also, easy to wash down with sour key candies/sweets. In small doses, you can laugh for hours with friends. It becomes a bad time IME when you take too much or get into situations where mortality is in question - someone once almost ran over my ex and I wanted to beat the shit out of them.

taking too much of any substance is probably a bad time

getting that right measurement is key for a lot of them

^ OTM. Always been my experience with anything recreational/psychedelic. More about reality augmentation than obliteration.

i'm going to a legal pot party on thursday. there will be a lot of pot. to celebrate the fact that everyone who has been smoking pot can now smoke more pot in massachusetts. and probably lots of people will be on acid. i'm guessing.

mushrooms were always fun. i don't think i ever did too much? i did a lot. all that stuff was fun. except for that homemade mescaline that one time.

microdosing is stupid cuz if you've ever taken acid for a few days you realize it doesn't work if you keep doing the same dose. you have to keep doing more and more. imo it's just an excuse for techbro burners to act morally superior to others.

I am in the camp that thinks taking a modest amount of psychedelics out of curiosity is probably a good thing, because curiosity can be satisfied by knowledge. But, sure as shit, taking a drug as a reaction to ("cure for") being stressed out or unhappy will almost certainly lead to taking too much. And a bad time. The mention upthread of Trumplandia and coping with it are clues that the re-emergence of psychedelics may not lead where one might hope, but may be fueled by growing despair over making reality habitable by more conventional means.

every time I've taken acid, halfway through I decide that's how I want to be the rest of my life, and then every time I've tried to take more and more after it's worn off, it's been a pretty big waste of time

i just liked getting high.

i don't even smoke pot anymore. i'm lame.

i would totally do coke if someone gave me some. nobody ever does! loved that stuff.

last time i did coke was in the 90's when my stripper girlfriend got some as a tip. she didn't want it. it was great! it's probably all CLEAN and PURE now too. who even does coke? give me their phone number.

There is a growing body of evidence that psychedelics help with treating depression, so not sure what Aimless means above. Also don't think people using it for this purpose would necessarily take too much.

Microdosing isn't supposed to be done every day, the popularizer (James Fadiman) recommends 10-15mcg every fourth day specifically because of tolerance issues.

Mushrooms were the best, dose controllable and a relatively quick trip. I'd like to try LSD again as an adult instead of a brain dead kid but scheduling 12+ hours of complete freedom is daunting.

if the environment was safe and i knew that it was a kind of one-shot deal over a weekend at a friend's cabin or something and my kids were being taken care of safely elsewhere i'd happily do coke, E, acid, or shrooms again. w/o those controls i don't think im that interested though.

scheduling 12+ hours of complete freedom is daunting.

yea basically impossible for me at this point

the new clean pure acid is supposed to be way less debilitating physically. if you are old. it doesn't give you an acid hangover or whatever. or so i am told.

I had a real nice, fairly moderate lysergic afternoon where i walked maybe 5 or 6 miles through the woods and down to the beach and back, listening to music and staring at clouds. Felt like I'd shaken off a ton of stress that had been weighing on me forever, and once the next day's godawful headache went away I felt very peaceful. Unfortunately the election was 4 days later so the effects kinda evaporated, and I'm a little concerned about repeating the experience in an environment of impending doom.

Had an acquaintance at a bar offer me coke at Thanksgiving - took a pass. I don't think I was a massive cock when it was always around at waiter parties but I don't want to find out I was and be a jerk to all my friends now.

moderate acid dads. my new book group. where we don't read a book. just listen to records. get moderately high on good acid.

yeah, i feel like i could ask everyone i know who works in a restaurant if they could get me coke, but i don't want to profile. plus, it's way on the bottom of my things to do list.

Ecstasy as an adult sounds fascinating but it's the inverse of coke - there's no one in my life right now I want to see rolling. I don't need to see a bunch of moms and dads in a sweaty massage pile.

ok now i want to try microdosing

they need to sell small shroom doses as anti-depression medicine

scott don't do coke. nobody should do coke.

I'm going to try DMT soon - 15-20 minutes and you're back to normal sounds right for my lifestyle now.

sometimes getting really really high can be inspirational. especially if you know you don't have the time/not motivated enough to become a drug addict.

Tried some supposedly 'purer' acid in the summer. Tend to be sceptical of these claims, but there was indeed virtually no visual distortion at all - but instead a tremendous sense of energy, so that I was walking for miles with senses really keenly attuned and super-appreciative of flowers and trees. At the peak - maybe 90 minutes in - there was a quite extraordinary sense of time slowing down, so that walking down a road felt like it was taking years. This is the only time I've ever had that.

Overall very pleasant indeed. But still had that annoying unable to sleep, tossing and turning in bed, many hours later.

Microdosing is pretty easy - take a 100mcg tab of LSD or the legal research chem 1P-LSD, dilute in water and then take your dose in mL (so 100mcg into 10ml take 1ml with syringe).

I did it a few times but it was hard for me to keep to a schedule - I can barely remember to take my Zyrtec daily and if you microdose too late it fucks up your sleep.

Want to try psilocybin microdosing but that requires a bit more effort - grind mushrooms and put in weighed capsules etc.

Those few times I didn't notice anything (it is supposed to be sub-perceptual) except that if I take it at noon I'm not sleeping until 2-3am.

i feel like i should add a disclaimer: Drugs can be bad and please be responsible and don't do crack or meth or heroin and be careful but mostly drugs like acid and mushrooms and stuff like that won't kill you but maybe don't take them if your mental state is tenuous or if you are depressed. take them when you are in a good strong place mentally! or if you are young and indestructible. thank you.

feel like as someone who very briefly dated an exotic dancer we should also add the disclaimer that they're not very good at doing basic adult things or thinking straight for that matter

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u mean the dancer or the drugs

dancer

was fun for the first few months before her kookiness became too much

i wouldn't say anything bad about my old girlfriend. she was smart and worked hard. she did the stripping thing and it enabled her to buy a house with cash. she made so much money. but its kind of a boring life. sleep during the day. shake it all night. its the netherworld.

lol i meant that as a joke. as a former member of the club imo dancers pretty much as normal as anyone else and sometimes even better than norms at have their heads on straight.

Well i caught a wild one

this is the better thread title than the other psychedelics thread.

there is a growing interest among a group of friends i hang out w/ to obtain some acid and/or shrooms and i am very interested. the logistics of planning such a day though seem like a pain in the ass. "my wife, can you look after our two young boys while i take drugs for a day?"

I posted about this on some other psych thread - I got some DMT off a friend a few weeks ago but he didn't tell me (tbf he probably didn't know) it's not pure DMT and is mixed with an MAOI antidepressant which is lethal in combination with the antidepressant I'm on, so I can't take it. Sucks.

whoa! i am happy that you didn't take it!!!

Yeah it's a fucking good thing I looked it up tbh. I was gonna take it the next day but I wondered what "changa" was compared to straight DMT and now I know.

Have talked with friends about going camping + mushrooms but the logistics are a PITA. It's hard for me to not be available in case of emergency at my stores, everyone else has kids.

Like I can barely manage the camping part much less being out of my gourd on drugs and finding out that the alarm went off.

Or, you know, you encounter a bear

Camping is trippy enough by itself

True dat
Stimulants of any kind are kind of extraneous when out in real nature

Like eating a weed brownie when starting on a day hike is just totally unnecessary

Mushrooms and an empty golf course can be fun though

No bears in my neck of the woods, but maybe a cottonmouth. Which is probably more terrifying and I will definitely not be tripping in nature now.

it does seem like the culture is shifting a little on psychedelics, esp w/ some new emerging research at johns hopkins & nyu. michael pollan has a new book on psychedelics: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/529343/how-to-change-your-mind-by-michael-pollan/9781594204227/

Michael Pollan is the last person I would want to trip with, tbrr

ha yes I can see him now, chattering incessantly

Kliph Nesteroff is clearly working on some sort of book about LSD from a show biz/pop culture angle. Can't wait to read that.