Should Marijuana be legalised?

c'mon

legalised = taxed

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(xp) ^^^

I get the idea it'd be cheaper if it was legal, even with taxes.

It's just wishful thinking abt something I p sure I will never see in my lifetime anyway.

I voted yes, despite not being a smoker, as legalisation means taxation, which means close scrutiny by Customs & Excise, which probably would result in a) higher quality product, b) more consistent product, c) reduction in criminal involvement.

d) smoke weed everyday

Legalization would be ideal but getting the goddamn fed to recognize the medical benefits would be a huge step. Of course marijuana has nothing in the way of lobbyist compared to pharmaceutical companies that can get just about any ridiculous drug passed.

ILX System otm

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yaaaay

smoke a poll

the 1 no voter =

http://www.justsaypictures.com/images/hell-noo.jpg

WTF wrong link. goddammit

now that the moment is ruined, the 1 "no" voter =

http://divisionoflabour.com/archives/tiananmen-square-tank.jpg

Is that Jenna Maroney?

I voted yes, despite not being a smoker

I voted yes, despite not having been a weed smoker for many years, because people should be allowed to do what they want and take their own risks.

otm. I don't care if I want to drink three jugs of gasoline and chase it down with rubbing alcohol, it's my damn body

Can I come to your next gasoline party please San Te?

tbh I think this might be a one-time only deal, just have that sense....

Awes at the "wrong" pic

so gonna happen:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/files/2013/04/pewmarijuana.jpg

Is this the next 'gay marriage' progressive galvanizer of opinion? The amount of money spent on the war on drugs generally and on cannibis specifically makes Iraq and Afghanistan look fiscally manageable and dammit if we don't already grow some killer weed.

oh man i am so excited

with 2/3rds of younger voters in favor of it? yes

xp

not to mention the huge burden relieved off our overtaxed gulag system for housing minority fathers

whoa

http://www.military.com/military-report/house-votes-to-let-va-doctors-recommend-marijuana.html?ESRC=mr0530.nl&utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link

http://www.marijuana.com/blog/news/2016/09/chelsea-clinton-implies-marijuana-can-kill-you/

i need to look into getting medical w33d oil in nyc for my crohn's disease, it seems like a much more promising option than immunosuppressant injection therapies like Remicaid. I don't know where to start though. I have a feeling my gastroenterologist is not 'cool'.

ime it is a life-saver but not a complete replacement for immunosuppressants. are you on 77? i have a thread related to the topic there. short version tho even treating myself w/ mm for about a decade i never had as much symptom relief as i'm having on the humira. tho just the humira without the mm (as i found on a recent business trip where i couldn't score) also has problems + discomfort.

I asked to be put on 77 but I think it got overlooked

Basically I have one disincentive to do the humera/remicaid etc thing which is that I had a splenectomy a couple decades ago, so my immune system is already compromised bc of that. Further suppressing it worries me.

i am looking into this for my chronic neck pain; doctor seems to think it should be pretty doable
wishing for the best for you ailments jon

Not a user myself and never have been, but I do follow developments in legalization, and as I pointed out on another pot thread we're at something of a metaphysical impasse. Marijuana will never be legalized recreationally if it is formally categorized as medical, yet it is likely never going to be categorized as medical for a confluence of reasons, not least because it's hard/impossible for the FDA to isolate and independently regulate all the various chemical components in it (apparently there are only two or so botanicals legally recognized as medicine, period). And yet we have all this grey area stuff going on, with states in essence legalizing marijuana as both recreational *and* medical, even though both categories remain technically illegal on a Federal level. It also introduces all sorts of weird stuff on the medical front, not least the notion of something being legalized as medicine on a state by state basis. Has this ever happened before? That something is recognized as a medicine in one state but not another?

Anyway, it scans to me that the push for marijuana to be licensed and regulated as medical is counter-production, on the legalization front, and that a better strategy would be to focus efforts on recreational legalization. (As some piece I read about this stuff pointed out, the FDA compromise would be akin to, say, vitamins, which can be marketed and sold with medical benefits but which feature an FDA disclosure. Top of my vitamin bottle lists possible health benefits, and at the bottom: "This statement has not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease.") Because marijuana clearly has benefits (as does alcohol, coffee, etc.), they're just hard to isolate and verify scientifically enough to determine a consistent dose, strength, delivery mechanism and so on per the FDA/DEA policy.

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I asked to be put on 77 but I think it got overlooked

never been invited either. i should probably stop posting here, now that i think of it

I still don't know what 77 is, and I've been posting here forever...

Request Access to 77 Borad

xp no bile intended or anything but you've got to have one of the lowest word-count-to-knowledge ratios of anyone here so it isn't exactly surprising. :D

https://www.khanacademy.org/math/in-sixth-grade-math/ratio-and-proportion/introduction-ratios/v/introduction-to-ratios-new-hd-version

Math is hard. xpost So was that ad hominem "you are dumb" addressed to me? Youch. What's up with that?

never tabulated my word count to knowledge ratio, let alone estimated how low it is. guess that precludes 77 fellowship :(

Math is hard. xpost So was that ad hominem "you are dumb" addressed to me? Youch. What's up with that?

― Josh in Chicago, Friday, September 30, 2016 10:20 PM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah sorry, i'm bad at math and got it backwards. i meant to say "one of the lowest knowledge-to-word-count ratios", meaning you are often very verbosely full of shit. but never change, it takes all kinds, etc.

i mean we're all dumb to an extend but it takes a special spirit to go on at length anyways.

I'll take it!

you're the best.

we should get high some time

i hope you guys have a good time

sorry, mr. map. never knew how word-county exclusive the love of everything is. be seeing you :(

you should join us

I think on a plane it just lets me tune out everything and zone out, it actually moves faster for me.

My Really Bad Edible Experience was at a Ween show. A friend gave me a cookie while we were in line to get in and said “eat half now, save the rest for later.” I got paranoid that security would take it (I was probably already stoned) and ate the entire thing. It was hell. I threw up twice and wanted to leave but driving was out of the question and I lost track of my buddy. The show was in Santa Cruz, in a place that looked like it had sporty things so there were these bleacher type seats in the back. I sat there alone with my head in my hands, dimly aware that Ween was playing a killer setlist and I wanted it to stop. A security guard came and hassled me: “Hey buddy, you okay? Been dancing too much? Too much to drink? Too many drugs? Hey buddy!”. It fucking sucked.

In hindsight, it was a horrible idea to drive my friend and I back to San Jose over the Santa Cruz mountains, but we made it.

nah, it's schedule one because of jazz musicians.

― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, May 10, 2023 10:15 AM bookmarkflaglink

meaning, racism.

― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, May 10, 2023 10:15 AM bookmarkflaglink

since the "schedules" are iirc a nixon joint i was thinking of the erlichman classic where he says "we could associate the hippies with marijuana and the blacks with heroin"-- but whynotboth.gif and wrt to weed's prior illegality of course yr right.

yeah, I wasn’t intending to be argumentative, just thinking back to all the jazz era fears about marijauna

A buddy just game me a bottle of "Uncle Arnie's Apple Juice" with 100 mg THC per bottle (8.5 oz bottle)... there are warnings: "If this is your first time consuming, consider trying a half dose" etc.

that's insane, for a first timer I'd do 5, maybe 10 if they were an experienced smoker

My worst edible experience involved apple cider. We were in our early days of making infused coconut oil in a Magic Butter machine. After emptying the contents into jars to be stored for later, my wife decided to clean out the remaining drips and drops by swirling apple cider around in it to drink. She said that she had done this previously and just enjoyed a glass of apple cider that got her high. She handed me a glass of it to drink and set hers to the side to drink after she finished cleaning up. I drank mine down and within two minutes, I could tell I was coming up very rapidly and intensely. In more usual circumstances, it would usually take me between 45 minutes to 2.5 hours to come up. I made a bee-line for the kitchen where I pointed at her cup. "Be careful with that - it's SATAN." She drank some of hers anyway - not as much as mine, but it still ended up being more than she could handle. Long story short, it was a rough 18 hours or so. Nearly completely unable to communicate. Intense paranoia and anxiety. A feeling that the world was swirling around me. Cottonmouth so bad that I had to keep drinking water, which eventually led to me needing to pee every 10 minutes or so throughout the night.

Clearly you have a very low tolerance for apples.

I got paranoid that security would take it (I was probably already stoned) and ate the entire thing.

My dad famously did this while he was with some friends in college, I grew up with it as a cautionary tale. There were a group of them in a car going to a movie and my dad had a little hash that they were all going to smoke in the parking lot before going in. But they got pulled over on the way for something or other and my dad freaked out as the cop was approaching the car and ate the whole stash. With the result that he was practically catatonic through the movie while his friends were sadly sober.

doesn't it have to be decarbed first? this exact scenario happened in the beginning of Super Troopers and it always bugged me because I always thought just eating weed straight up wouldn't actually do anything. much less kick in 30 seconds later as it does in the movie. wonder if IMDB lists that under "goofs"

as a general rule I just don't eat anything homemade anymore unless I either make it myself or know the people who did have a low tolerance. my first edible experience involved a brownie which a frequent stoner friend of mine said knocked him on his ass...I figured I'd just eat a quarter. but when packing it up for the freezer a little corner fell out so I figured what the hell, eat it and see what happens. 30 minutes later I was pacing back and forth in the basement and Googling shit like "how long brohwnie last mijreaijana"

I drank mine down and within two minutes, I could tell I was coming up very rapidly and intensely.

lol yeah that sounds bad, I've never had it happen that fast but all the times I've gotten way way too high off an edible I've felt it coming on a lot quicker than I expected. when you start feeling high within 10 minutes it's a sign you're gonna have a bad time

that's insane, for a first timer I'd do 5, maybe 10 if they were an experienced smoker

Ha, no - the entire 8.5 oz bottle contained 100mg total, not per dose

so what's a dose then? one ounce?

ironically all the dispensaries I've been to in legal states you can't get edibles stronger than 10mg, whereas here in Wisconsin you can get 250mg bars of "legal D9" which may not actually be that strong but actually might be kind of close, you can really fuck yourself up

doesn't it have to be decarbed first?

Is that true for hash too? Probably I guess. Could be elaborated family lore. My takeaway from the story was not to lose the stash.

Do any of these THC derivatives/alternatives manage to do away with cottonmouth?

I once had to eat a j that a friend had pre-rolled for me. I know he added some additional ingredients to the flower. Definitely kief. Possibly hash as well? Anyway, two hours later I was deeply, deeply stoned.

just wanna point out how stupid the situation is here in Wisconsin, where we are now entirely bordered by legal states. I have overheard the conversation of Illinois (which is taxed out the wazoo) vs. Michigan (which is further away but dirt cheap) so many times. and the convo always turns to "man just think of how much we're losing in tax dollars from this". it's so idiotic. to make it even more ridiculous we have farm bill weed which is essentially hemp with some sort of THC spray (or HHC, or Delta 8, or THCo, or whatever the fuck they're doing now), the stuff works but you don't wanna bother with it if you can get the real thing.

however I do think the edibles are legit, the only law is they have to be less than 0.3% THC. but I think most edibles you get in legal states are probably even lower than 0.3% so all it does is make edibles legal but unregulated. now this is a problem because I think a lot of these places fudge the actual amount of THC you get. something that's listed as 15mg is probably more like 7mg, which to me is a good dose. unfortunately once you find something you like it gets pulled and replaced and you have to figure out the dosage again. which is surprisingly difficult!! anyway fun adventures in legal weed the other day when I found one product I liked was available at some liquor store, but when I opened it up the gummies looked to be about 50% bigger, which I assume meant they tinkered with the formula. but no - I think what happened is "15mg" actually means "15mg", and so I was so fuckin zooted. twas a good time (eventually) but yeah I don't know why we can't just get the real thing!

The German cannabis law passed the Bundesrat today. It‘s legal to smoke pot in Germany starting April 1st… no, seriously.

just wanna point out how stupid the situation is here in Wisconsin, where we are now entirely bordered by legal states
I assure you, you are not

Man, yeah, the price difference between buying in Illinois versus Michigan is absolutely nuts. I was shocked the last time we were in Michigan and walked out with probably 5x what we'd get in Illinois for the same cost.

shit's about to get wild

Breaking:

WASHINGTON (AP) — US drug control agency is moving to reclassify marijuana as a less dangerous drug in a historic shift, AP sources say.

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) April 30, 2024

About fucking time they took it off Schedule 1.

wow

man if there's a Weedonald's on every corner

some info I just found on what that means, legally:

Legal Consequences If Marijuana Moved to Schedule III

Moving marijuana from Schedule I to Schedule III, without other legal changes, would not bring the state-legal medical or recreational marijuana industry into compliance with federal controlled substances law. With respect to medical marijuana, a key difference between placement in Schedule I and Schedule III is that substances in Schedule III have an accepted medical use and may lawfully be dispensed by
prescription, while Substances in Schedule I cannot. However, prescription drugs must be approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Although FDA has approved some drugs derived from or related to cannabis, marijuana itself is not an FDA-approved drug. Moreover, if one or more marijuana products obtained FDA approval, manufacturers and distributors would need to register with DEA and comply with regulatory requirements that apply to Schedule III substances in order to handle those products. Users of medical marijuana would need to obtain valid prescriptions for the substance from medical providers, subject to federal legal requirements that differ from existing state regulatory
requirements for medical marijuana.

Rescheduling marijuana would not affect the medical marijuana appropriations rider. Thus, so long as the current rider remains in effect, participants in the state-legal medical marijuana industry who comply with state law would be shielded from federal prosecution. If the rider were to lapse or be repealed, these persons would again be subject to prosecution at the discretion of DOJ.

With respect to the manufacture, distribution, and possession of recreational marijuana, if marijuana were moved to Schedule III, such activities would remain illegal under federal law and potentially subject to federal prosecution regardless of their status under state law.
Some criminal penalties for CSA violations depend on the schedule in which a substance is classified. If marijuana were moved to Schedule III, applicable penalties for some offenses would be reduced.

However, CSA penalties that apply to activities involving marijuana specifically, such as the quantity based mandatory minimum sentences discussed above, would not change as a result of rescheduling. DEA is not required to set annual production quotas for Schedule III controlled substances.

The prohibition on business deductions in Section 280E of the Internal Revenue Code applies to any trade or business that “consists of trafficking in controlled substances (within the meaning of schedule I and II of the Controlled Substances Act) which is prohibited by Federal law or the law of any State in which such trade or business is conducted.” Because the provision applies only to activities involving substances
in Schedule I or II, moving marijuana from Schedule I to Schedule III would allow marijuana businesses to deduct business expenses on federal tax filings. Other collateral legal consequences would continue to attach to unauthorized marijuana-related activities.

Hooray for rescheduling — it’s a step!

legalization seems like pretty low hanging fruit for a not-particularly-popular incumbent President in an election year but honestly idk what he can even do. this seems like a good step at least.

xpost it's a step I thought was a pipedream for many years. glad to see sanity finally prevailing

legalization seems like pretty low hanging fruit for a not-particularly-popular incumbent President in an election year but honestly idk what he can even do. this seems like a good step at least.

― frogbs, Tuesday, April 30, 2024 2:11 PM bookmarkflaglink

with our luck, Trump campaign will do his advertising for him.

"With Biden in office, weed is going to be freely available"

Biden's response:

"Hell yeah it is!"

Legalization would require congressional approval, yes? Good luck with that right now

still might help to get their votes on the record

get their votes on the record

Good thought, but not gonna happen. In the Senate legalization would be subject to filibuster and never make it to a vote. If the Ds held the House majority they could bring legalization out of committee to the floor for a recorded vote, but the R majority's not going to cooperate on that.

It doesn't need to get to a vote. The President and prominent Democrats making it an issue would be an energizing issue with a lot of younger (under 50 lol) voters.

should be decriminalized NOT LEGALIZED

why not

I seriously doubt that legal weed would be such an electoral slam dunk for a candidate that everyone always hopes it will be. I mean, it’s the right thing to do, but I don’t think it’s moving the needle very much.

I seriously doubt that legal weed would be such an electoral slam dunk for a candidate that everyone always hopes it will be.

Maybe it's a dumb stereotype, but "really into weed" and "likely voter" seem close to mutually exclusive.

Weed is all over the place now as well: from the lowly doobie of mexican weed, to highly concentrated 'dab' and shit like that

I don’t think it’s moving the needle very much

perhaps not but as unperson says it's one of those issues that might motivate some folks to vote who otherwise would say "who cares, it's all a scam anyway, man...". plus it would force the GOP to argue against something broadly popular. but yeah maybe the ship has sailed I mean I don't live in a legal state and yet it seems to be everywhere these days. that farm bill which passed seems to introduce so many technicalities, like oh here's something that's not at all like weed until you heat it up, in which case it's basically the same...I mean where we're at now just makes no sense. like you can "only" have .3% THC in edibles here but even in legal states you don't often get more than that.

i am not going to try to predict the effect this is going to have on voters -- overall rescheduling it from S1 is a logical and useful shift and I am here for it.

Maybe it's a dumb stereotype, but "really into weed" and "likely voter" seem close to mutually exclusive.

https://www.cshl.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Boomer-Esiason-headshot.jpg

xpost otm, regardless of its effect it needed to happen

something that I think has been overlooked itt so far is that this will enable research on a much greater scale

i.e. lab work, genetics, tests, etc

cancer treatment, etc etc etc

yes!! and that will legitimize and destigmatize and that is good.

lmao my brain was going the opposite direction and I was thinking "yes, there will be more labs doing work on marijuana genetics and breeding"

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think the corporate weed move will be lowering THC content so that you can buy a pack of Marlboro joints that don't paralyze the average person (also that increase addictiveness somehow) plus all the exotic cannabinoids present naturally in small amounts that supposedly cause weight loss/etc..

market segmentation, for sure