CONTIENTAL vs ANALYTIC who is more fun to hang out with

CONTIENTAL

both are awful

english majors vs computer science majors

i'm fuckin sayin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFyNvdKv6Kw

not actually being in a philosophy department...is this distinction as contentious as it used to be?

also you misspelled continental

i picked a great book for it tho

http://walkenvnorris.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/the-continental2.jpg

ty phil d

obv analytic

but I would

english majors vs computer science majors
me v my brother!

Best analytic>best continental>average continental>average analytic

"german text with an english translation en regard"

sorta blowin' my mind

analytic, easily. continental are no fun because it's like a contest to put a negative spin on everything.

sounds like a personal problem
(then again, the personal=political...)

plz to show me a continental philosopher who is not all doom and gloom about the futility of meaning

nietzsche :)

derrida ;)

foucault XD

deleuze @_@

lacan v_v"

aloh

plz to show me a continental philosopher who is not all doom and gloom about the futility of meaning

― dayo, Tuesday, February 8, 2011 10:08 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

show me one who is!!

...your MOM

continental philosophy can be a lot of fun if u don't allow yrself to be intimidated! I like to use stickers:

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/1240/horrorcoverx.jpg

(will scan some others if ppl want but I'm pretty sure this is my finest work)

I really admire logical bros whose minds are like a steel trap w/r/t logic.

clearly analytic for me, but have to admit that bernard's pic narrowed the gap

i liek penguins

omg lmao applaud wildly etc bernard

Would vote continental but there's no option for that. Abstaining.

In college, I thought continental was more fun, but these days I might prefer analytic. Always had a soft spot for Wittgenstein, anyway.

how i feel reading derrida
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the author disappears into his text
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"i ain't afraid of no ghosts!"
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uhhh that post was suppoesd to have pics
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l-r:

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In college, I thought continental was more fun, but these days I might prefer analytic. Always had a soft spot for Wittgenstein, anyway.

― Tyler/Perry's "Dude (Looks Like a Lady)" (jaymc)

Yeah, but bear in mind that the picture illustrating 'analytic' is the Tractatus, the vast majority of which Wittgenstein himself renounced. I'd say the Philosophical Investigations are pretty important to continental thought.

true, but philosophical investigations has got more in common w/ the tractatus than any continental philosophy i've seen. beautifully signposted analytic-style academic arguing -where essays can more or less be turned into flowcharts w/ footnotes- is so lucid and tidy, it feels righteous like cleaning your kitchen.

also this -

nietzsche :)

― proso_Opopoeia (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 9 February 2011 03:15 (15 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

derrida ;)

― proso_Opopoeia (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 9 February 2011 03:15 (15 hours ago) Bookmark

- fantastic. the books are amazing too.

english majors vs computer science majors

me vs me

i honestly don't even know what this stuff is.

apart from Wittgenstein, what do analytic voters feel passionate about? Russel? Frege?

i honestly don't even know what this stuff is.

― pajamagram sam (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, February 9, 2011 2:27 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

Philosophical shit. I think.

I mean, that's at least what some of the names being thrown around are. I'm guessing it's about two different schools or styles of philosophy but I didn't care enough to look that part up.

i liked the quine i had to read in college some of it had the convincing purity of invented magic systems

analytic: "It needs to be clear"
continental: "It needs to sound cool"

me: you there
Hoosteen: i am
me: what the fuck is your thread about
continental or whatever
Hoosteen: hahaha
me: what IS that
philosophy?
Hoosteen: yeah
ME: Philosophical shit. I think.

― ENBB, Wednesday, February 9, 2011 2:33 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I mean, that's at least what some of the names being thrown around are. I'm guessing it's about two different schools or styles of philosophy but I didn't care enough to look that part up.

― ENBB, Wednesday, February 9, 2011 2:34 PM (0 seconds ago) Bookmark
Hoosteen: generally speaking there's a big divide between the way philosophers think/write "on the continent" ie continental europe, mainly france, and the way they think/write elsewhere which tends to be v dry and boring and can generally be called "analytic"
me: ahhh ok thanks
so I was right
sort of?
Hoosteen
you totes were
me: tyvm

That was for Matt as an explanation from the source. :)

quick dirty summary

continental - sort of societal in its goals, more interested in the moral implications of behaviour and other sorta feelgood philo stuff - what most people think of when they think of philosophy

analytic - more formal logic based, more sorta toollike and interested in the hows of philosophical thought than the applications

thats like literally a 1 minute summary off the top of my head so peeps can clarify as they want

feel like the chances of sexual assault are lower with the analytics

I guess I'd characterise them as:

analytic = true/false, logic
continental = exploration of meaning, phenomenology

(Ha, actually an x-post written before seeing jjjusten's summary)

i prefer the stuff in the middle

i def am more down with the analytic although it is "dead" (to which, uh whatever). but i turned into a formal logic square during my philo career so i am prob not to be trusted.

feel like the chances of sexual assault are lower with the analytics

― goole

Um, not sure I get this. Explain?

continental - ponytail, fancy boots
analytic - ill-fitting jacket, new balance sneakers

lol

OK this makes sense now. Never studied philosophy directly but all the stuff I've read/liked would probably fit very firmly in the continental camp.

continental - sort of societal in its goals, more interested in the moral implications of behaviour and other sorta feelgood philo stuff - what most people think of when they think of philosophy

that's kinda soft-soaping continental imo - i think more about derrida et al and their pseudo-meaningful claptrap that says nothing to me about my life. /challop

I only took the primary logic course when I was doing Philosophy, but I really enjoyed it and got the highest mark possible (for some reason my university capped marks on some courses at 80). Appealed to my sudoku-loving side.

So yeah, I've got a lot of time for those of an analytic bent, but I write on writing, so I'm always going to be a continental philosopher, ha.

also tbh continental is such a catch all that its hard to really be for or against it, it kinda got defined by "stuff thats not analytic" as much as anything else.

like for all the marx/hegel/nietsche hardcore stuff you get noodly shit like sartre and keirkegaard.

kierkegaard is hxc as fucc

also the writing style is def a big deal, nietsche and some of the others are pretty novelly, and the analytics are def not (with the exception of wittgenstein who is often sorta goofy and wacky and chatty). i blame it all on Kant for being a incredibly great thinker that couldn't write for shit, i think the reaction was to try to at least not kill people trying to dig out what you were getting at w/boredom.

A particularly polemical illustration of some differences between "analytic" and "continental" styles of philosophy can be found in Rudolf Carnap's "Elimination of Metaphysics through Logical Analysis of Language", which argues that Heidegger's lecture "What Is Metaphysics?" violates logical syntax to create nonsensical pseudo-statements.

haven't read it but i'm so obviously on carnap's side here

Yeah somewhere along the lines 'continental philosophy' just turned into sort of, the canonical texts of 'theory' in the humanities.

One characterization I like though, from Robert Bernasconi: "Modern continental philosophy is defined by its readiness to face the challenge posed by the recognition of the historicity of philosophy."

(Obviously a somewhat biased way of framing it — there are ways of recognizing 'the historicity of philosophy' that don't necessarily pass through Hegel and Heidegger — the formalization of analytic philosophy is precisely an attempt to surmount some of philosophy's historical 'errors' innit?)

haha I'm actually trying to write something on Carnap's reading of Heidegger at the moment. I think I need to track down his other writings abt metalanguage though, cuz the argument in this paper seems kind of skeletal without it.

where would you put contemporary texts in moral phil - e.g. singer, mackie? i would guess they lean towards the anal in their approaches but i see them in a kind of carefree middle ground.

who's the last philosopher who is common to both traditions? Kant?

i think it was Simon Critchley wrote somewhere it was the difference between taking the First Critique as your point of departure (analytic) or the Third Critique (continental). or something like that.

singer certainly isnt continental

The continent ... of Australia.

re Carnap / Heidegger; the source to turn to is Friedman's book on Cassirer

btw there is no such thing as "analytic" or "continental" philosophy, there is only Zuul

there's a good Todd May article addressing the things that are supposed to define analytic and continental. In the end he says that none of them really hold unless you want to claim that lots of stuff that's clearly in one camp - whatever that means - isn't actually. Then I think he decides that the only real difference of any serious significance is that analytic philosophers are basically agreed on their vocabulary whereas continental philosophers define things how they bloody well please. It seemed reasonable enough when I read it, some time ago.

then there's the Timothy Williamson side, which posits that continental philosophy is that which claims to be philosophy but shows a lack of intellectual rigour. That one, I'm significantly less inclined to agree with.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

haha ok i def did not expect to be on the winning side on this one

analytic philosophy posers <<<<< continental philosophy posers <<<<<< me (obv)

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i didnt know this thread existed so didnt vote but analytic philosophy is so awful it is an evil of the world at least on par w. like genocide

p much the only case that can be made in favour of book burning

reading wittgenstein is essentially a form of self harm

ever have that nightmare where you wake up & kwame anthony appiah has been waiting for you to play your chess turn for four hours?

http://wapedia.mobi/thumb/9ac5499/en/fixed/470/588/Kwame_Anthony_Appiah_by_David_Shankbone.jpg?format=jpg

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watch yourself nas http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/6/15/1276603753049/Nassim-Nicholas-Taleb-006.jpg

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reading luce irigaray for the first time was like

lol wtf omg ???? !!!! <3

really disappointed there wasn't any discussion of bed of procrustes on ilx.

lol@that zizek pic. definite career as a catalogue model ahead of him.

maturana looks like a chill sort, but are you suggesting that he's analytic? or that he's you? i'm too dumb contiental to get the mathematical trickery of your equation there.

My two philo classes were from the continental guy who taught every existentialism class at the time. It was worth it.

I don't understand these results at all

continental folks opposed to the binary opposition set out and the necessity of hierarchy inherent within the poll format, spend too much time thinking about it, forget to vote.

oh I see

I can't remember if I voted or not

how's that for a 'binary opposition'