the difference between movies and real life.

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in the movies, when the guy comes back to girl and tells her he was sorry and that he was scared and that he needs her and that he wants a chance to show her how much can love her, the girl - although heartbroken and scared and unsure - eventually returns to him.

in real life, the girl tells the guy that absence (six weeks!) has made her realize that the relationship could never work and that the guy should move on and yes she loves him but she's not in love with him and by the way she fooled around repeatedly with an ex-boyfriend last week.

[blanked], Tuesday, 13 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

sorry for hijacking the thread with my personal problems, but i always thought it a was a cliche when people said that true heartbreak actually felt like your heart was breaking.

i can barely see straight, have spent the last two days in bed, and am in dire need of cheering up, especially since the person i would normally go to in these circumstances (ie. my best friend) is currently the playing the role of 'girl.'

[blanked], Tuesday, 13 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

she loves him but she's not in love with him

2nd only to, "it would ruin our friendship" in the nonsense stakes. i should collect this rubbish, i really should!

sorry [blanked], i'm not the best person to speak to about this!

gareth, Tuesday, 13 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

STOP FALLING IN LOVE WITH YOUR FRIENDS. IT IS THE ROAD TO RUIN.

N., Tuesday, 13 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

''when the guy comes back to girl and tells her he was sorry and that he was scared and that he needs her and that he wants a chance to show her how much can love her, the girl - although heartbroken and scared and unsure - eventually returns to him.''

you have just described the main lyrical theme of the whole Tindersticks back catalogue. Well done!

sorry there's no better ans to this from me...as the 'heart' is something that pumps blood (an 'organ' as the doc would say). It has never been broken by any girl.

Julio Desouza, Tuesday, 13 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

she WAS my girlfriend. for three years. we lived together for the last two, up until june when - in retrospect completely out of fear and with no good reason other than 'i need to change my life right now' - i broke up with her.

now we've been apart for some time and i've realized, stupidly, that my fear was just a reaction to the looming realization that she could be the person i want to spend the rest of my life with.

i don't know whether to let her go or to fight for her. the only reason she's not in love with me anymore is because i drove her away.

[blanked], Tuesday, 13 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

for context, i should confess that i originally delivered the "i love you but i am not IN love with you" line to her a mere three months ago. in retrospect, the only reason i was not in love with her was because i was completely afraid to be -> could it be the same for her? now that she's gone i realize i don't have a choice anymore. i've come round full circle, ready for her, finally, and she's not there anymore.

do i sound like chris martin yet?

[blanked], Tuesday, 13 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Fight for someone is a concept that always has escaped to my understanding

Arantxa, Tuesday, 13 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

if i were playing the part of the girl, i think that i would interpret your wanting me back as loneliness. Nothing to do with me, everything to do with you not wanting to be alone. You need to convince her that this is not the case and that you love and are in love with her.

nickie, Tuesday, 13 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

It is possible to court someone, to use an old-fashioned word, in a way that shows genuine intention rather than stalkiness or desperation. Go that route.

Unless you're actually feeling stalky or desperate, but you've got to figure that one out yourself in advance.

Colin Meeder, Tuesday, 13 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm sorry this has all gone so wrong for you. No doubt her trust in you has been shattered by the break-up, and that's a difficult thing to put back together again.

If you are in the UK, have you considered going together to Relate? They provide relationship counselling for couples (you don't have to be married). If you were prepared to do this, it might show her how serious you are about wanting to put things right. Just a thought.

I wish you well.

C J, Tuesday, 13 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Does everyone think that 'it would ruin our friendship' and (especially) 'I love you but I'm not in love with you' are nonsense or, worse, kindly lies? I really dunno about the first one, but I feel old and burned enough to say with some confidence that there is a desperately important difference between 'I love you' and 'I'm in love with you'? And it's not wholly to do w/ sex either, and 'I'm not in love w/ you but I love you' isn't inherently grounds for the end of a sexual relationship. But do what you will with them, these are cliched conventions for a reason, aren't they?

Ellie, Tuesday, 13 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

In my experience, though "love" and "in love with" are different things the latter switches on and off over the course of a long-term relationship and can't be taken for granted either way (as is the root of the problem here - it switched off and now it's switched on). Whereas if the former goes the relationship is definitely doomed (though often doesn't actually end).

And from my experience [blanked] the listlessness that has happened to you once in the context of this relationship is very very likely to happen again, and this is probably something else she's worried about if she is in two minds about it. That listlessness isn't a relationship-killer by any means and in my case acting on it once (each!) has made us stronger in the longer term - but you need to be both reassuring and realistic if things do start to patch up.

Tom, Tuesday, 13 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

that's the rub. i finally feel like i'm in a place where i can combat the listlessness should it arise again. unfortunately i had to lose her to get there.

you have choices in life. you can choose to acknowledge feelings or you can choose to ignore them. for whatever reason, near the end, i wasn't ready to acknowledge how deep my feelings were for her, and so i ignored them. i ignored her. and now, i feel like i finally realize what's been going on this whole time - why i couldn't really think of a good reason when i broke up with her, why it never seemed like there was a proper grieving period, why i launched into this idiotic surface-y infatuation with another girl, why i felt like i needed to get away. it's all stuff i put myself through to fix the bigger things, to come back to the realization that i DO love her, and that i AM in love with her, and that i'm ready to be there now, no fear, no worries, no doubt.

if it appears that i am talking shit and that you've heard all of this somewhere else before, please alert me to it. i know too well from past experience that, lately, just because things FEEL right doesn't mean they are.

[blanked], Tuesday, 13 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

make her a mixtape.

Chris, Tuesday, 13 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

It undoubtedly won't be much of a comfort but as I understand it you *didn't* ignore a feeling - you felt something was wrong and were brave enough to act on it. That you now think your decision was a stupid one doesn't change that.

(NB this is why "you only regret what you don't do" is the CRAPPEST TRUISM EVER)

Tom, Tuesday, 13 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

chris -

one of my many regrets is that in the full three years we lived together, i never once made her a mixed tape (we lived together for most of that time, mind).

needless to say, i've spent the last few hours trying to come up with a tracklisting strategy. it's a delicate balance - should each song be something that has a particular significance to the relationship or should it just be good music that occasionally veers into "remember this one?" territory.

advice here is obviously also appreciated. i suspect you lot are well- versed in expression via c90.

[blanked], Tuesday, 13 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

argh. that should read "during the three years we WERE together" obv.

CJ -> thanks for the kind words, but i am nowhere near the UK. and anyway, some sort of counselling would require BOTH parties to deem the relationship worth salvaging, and i'm not sure if she does.

tom -> what did you mean by 'acting on the listlessness' as it applied to your situation? how did it help?

[blanked], Tuesday, 13 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

(NB this is why "you only regret what you don't do" is the CRAPPEST TRUISM EVER)

!$:what:who

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 13 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

SATAN SATAN SATAN

bc, Tuesday, 13 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

bad mang dan perry!!

nickie is OTM. you should neg the mixtape idea. it's the worst sort of wallowing. i guarantee you that's the last thing in the world she wants from you right now. until you're cool with yourself please blot out this type of thing, it's only going to do your head in.

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 13 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

that sounds harsh and i guess it is, but you have to build from hope and strength, not fear of loneliness or that you missed a chance.

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 13 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Why did I know Dan would say that. But maybe humor is the best therapy.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

"now we've been apart for some time and i've realized, stupidly, that my fear was just a reaction to the looming realization that she could be the person i want to spend the rest of my life with. "

Hey I just did that last fall/winter. Life goes on is all I feel I can add. I suxor, I know.

Mr Noodles, Tuesday, 13 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Does everyone think that 'it would ruin our friendship' and (especially) 'I love you but I'm not in love with you' are nonsense or, worse, kindly lies?

its not that they're nonsense/kindly lies per se but they have often been the case. i have had "it would ruin our friendship" when there isn't exactly a friendship to ruin, or all of a sudden that friendship seems to have been terminated, so "dude, your kidding yourself mate, be realistic" might have been closer to the truth. (although i did get told once that i was aiming too high, which i found amusing, and it least it was honest on her part). similarly "love you but not in love with you" is difficult to believe when that person doesn't really bother

gareth, Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey I just did that last fall/winter. Life goes on is all I feel I can add. I suxor, I know.

How did it end?

[blanked], Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

[blanked] - I'm a little confused. I remember you were asking for advice about whether to bring out into the open your feelings for a girl you were hanging around with. This is another girl, right? Or wasn't it you? I don't mean to be insensitive with these questions, sorry.

Dr. C, Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

see: "idiotic surface-y infatuation with another girl"

things with this other person are even starting to line up in such a way that if i wanted to pursue something, i totally could. meanwhile, all i can think about is the person i left..

[blanked], Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Go with both on the mixtape. Throw in some Red House Painters and wallow.

Chris, Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

PUT "WAS THIS LOVE" BY THE PRAYERBOAT ON IT. WORKS EVERYTIME.

Chris, Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

OR "IT HURTS TO LOSE YOU" - PRAYERBOAT

Chris, Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

[blanked] I've just read my responses and they seem unnecessarily rough. i should leave it to someone else to do the tough love bit. so much of this stuff is luck and timing and being on the same page at the same time. the thing i said before about "strength" is wrong - you can do great things from positions of weakness. but they need to be based on hope instead of fear. like politics! anyway, i'm sorry that you're in this situation, it must be no fun.

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

thanks tracer i appreciate it

i have no idea what's going on. i feel like i just woke from a three month long dream.

and i'm not sure abt the mixed tape anymore. more opinions? c/d idea?

[blanked], Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Since Tracer is backing off the tough love: wallowing is not the way to go. I mean, you can wallow on your own, but don't expect that to win her back. Because even if it does, you are setting up the relationship to be completely unbalanced, whereas you play the passive "please don't break up with me again" role. Give yourself some time to feel miserable. Learn from your mistakes. Go out with other girls no matter what. This will help you to regain some self-confidence and hopefully remind you that there are plenty of cute and cool girls out there. Not to mention a clean slate will free you from a lot of stress and baggage. If you ever get back together with The Ex it will be because she wants it to happen. Not you. That is the shitty unfair realization it took me about 6 months to get to.

bnw, Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

thanks mate

i am slowly coming to this realization

the fact that she may very well leave this city within the next two months isn't making it any easier though

i suppose you're right tho

[blanked], Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)


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