Why are men angry?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-02-28/why-are-men-angry-manning-up-author-kay-hymowitz-explains/

Men in their twenties and thirties are fed up with women, but author Kay Hymowitz says you can’t blame them when women are demanding equality except when it comes to romance. Plus, Jessica Bennett on the modern male's identity crisis.

About a week ago, The Wall Street Journal published an excerpt of my new book, which argued that the new stage I call pre-adulthood—the twenties and early thirties—was not bringing out the best in single young men. Some men didn’t like it. As in, “cancel-my-subscription-the-writer-should-contract-such-a-bad-case-of-carpel-tunnel-syndrome-she-never-writes-again” didn’t like it.

But a lot of the responses unwittingly proved my point—and another one: Men are really, really angry. Consider: “We’re not STUCK in pre-adulthood, we choose it because there aren’t any desirable American women. They’ve been bred to abuse men.” This fairly typical response that appeared at the Seattle Post Intelligencer website: “Sorry ladies. In the age of PlayStation 3s, 24-hours-a-day sports channels, and free Internet porn, you are now obsolete. All that nagging, whining, and stealing our hard earned cash have finally caught up to you."

Shocked? I wasn t. During the last few years researching this age group, I’ve stumbled onto a powerful underground current of male bitterness that has nothing to do with outsourcing, the Mancession, or any of the other issues we usually associate with contemporary male discontent. No, this is bitterness from guys who find the young women they might have hoped to hang out with entitled, dishonest, self-involved, slutty, manipulative, shallow, controlling—and did I mention gold-digging?

Check out the websites like names like MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way), Nomarriage.com, or EternalBachelor.com (“Give Modern Women the Husband They Deserve. None.”). Or read popular bloggers like the pseudonymous Roissy, a ferociously caustic dissector of female “sluttiness” and “shit tests” (attempts to manipulate men). There are dozens upon dozens of gurus and counselors who publish posts like “42 Things Wrong With American Women” while chat forums ruminate over how “American Women Suck.”

Women may want equality at the conference table and treadmill. But when it comes to sex and dating, they aren’t so sure.

So, is this what Susan Faludi famously called the backlash? Is it immaturity, as my own book seems to suggest? Is it the Internet as an escape valve for decades of pent-up rebellion against political correctness? Or, is it just good, old-fashioned misogyny?

A bit of all of the above, probably. But there’s another reason for these rants, one that is far less understood. Let’s call it gender bait and switch. Never before in history have men been matched up with women who are so much their equal—socially, professionally, and sexually. By the time they reach their twenties, they have years of experience with women as equal competitors—in school, on soccer fields, and even in bed. They very reasonably assume that the women they are meeting at a bar or café or gym are after the same things they are: financial independence, career success, toned triceps, and sex.

That’s the bait; here comes the switch. Women may want equality at the conference table and treadmill. But when it comes to sex and dating, they aren’t so sure. The might hook up as freely as a Duke athlete. Or, they might want men to play Greatest Generation gentleman. Yes, they want men to pay for dinner, call for dates—a writer at the popular dating website The Frisky titled a recent piece “Call me and ask me out for a damn date!”—and open doors for them. A lot of men wonder: “WTF??!” Why should they do the asking? Why should they pay for dinner? After all, they are equals and in any case, the woman a guy is asking out probably has more cash in her pocket than he does; recent female graduates are making more than males in most large cities.

Sure, girls can—and do—ask guys out for dinner and pick up the check without missing a beat. Women can make that choice. Men say they have no choice. If they want a life, they have to ask women out on dates; they have to initiate conversations at bars and parties, they have to take the lead on sex. Women can take a Chinese menu approach to gender roles. They can be all “Let me pay for the movie tickets” on Friday nights, and “A single rose? That’s it?” on Valentine’s Day.

PlayStations and Internet porn? For a lot of guys, they seem like the better way.

this is one of the dumbest things I've ever read

i'm not even gonna read it

"Mancession"?

Next up: Men: Why are they so stereotypical?

Also, "Sure, girls can—and do—ask guys out for dinner and pick up the check without missing a beat. Women can make that choice. Men say they have no choice. If they want a life, they have to ask women out on dates".

What happened to the men that got asked out for dinner? Did they suddenly cease to exist when it came to writing the second part of this sentence?

(Or paragraph, or whatever)

i've had women approach me. it isn't exactly a rare thing in this day and age.

The most important thing really is WTF is a Mancession?

norman lamont had one circa 1992

is this actually a joke article?

i'm not even gonna read it

okay i cracked

i mean all of these things have a kernel of truth to them — have definitely encountered the "underground current of male bitterness" using "the Internet as an escape valve for decades of pent-up rebellion against political correctness", and it's p.gross and weird and fascinating — dudes in total earnestness giving each other advice about the relative marriageability of different ethnic groups, based on how thoroughly their native cultures have been pervaded by modern 'feminist' ideas — etc etc

i haven't really reached a conclusion abt it and uh this article doesn't either so (shrug emoticon)

also what exactly is equality at the treadmill?

redundancy of stereotypically male manufacturing roles in first world economies? I dunno. Sounds dumb.

i think the problem w/r/t dating is more just a general breakdown of social norms and customs that traditionally governed the process, i.e. no one knows what to do now, what is or isn't acceptable — could any of us explain "the system of modern dating" to some hypothetical alien anthropologist, in the same way that a victorian could presumably describe the etiquette of courtship?

and so but, the fact that women end up playing the "gender bait and switch" is kinda just a consequence of the fact that 'gender' no longer has a consistent significance across this whole social field

also, can I just take a moment to say: "gender bait and switch", lol

I think its probably about sports and like the WNBA or something I don't know -- treadmill talk

also what exactly is equality at the treadmill?

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redundancy of stereotypically male manufacturing roles in first world economies? I dunno. Sounds dumb.

― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Saturday, 5 March 2011 18:20 (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this was an xpost gueass at 'mancession fwiw. i have no idea what equality at the treadmill is- women being as good at sports/whatever?

like, i mean, i go to the gym and there are men and women on treadmills and there does not appear to be any kind of power struggle going on so shrug?

haha

i think it's when there's only one treadmill left and you have to fight over it? dunno

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7ZJMYqEUV0

can someone mansplain this 2 me

"Thus it shall come to pass that the workers, confronted with that still greater trauma of obsolescence in the machine age, will come to love their treadmills, and fall at the feet of the mill-owners lest they be taken away."

Engels, 1846.

engels otm

I blush to think how I had always attributed that quote to Herbert Hoover!

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Unless I was attributing it to H.G. Wells, which was probably just as daft, in hindsight.

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I wonder if when authors research and write articles/books about these matters if their observational data is solely collected from buildings that have a sign that says "Phi" in it somewhere.

don't they call things like this "trend pieces"? And expect because they assert that they are covering a trend that everyone agrees that this is a trend because they say it is, as opposed to "six guys on a message board ranted about this thing"?

i call them shit pieces

we're angry cause of bullshit meaningless pieces like this

so you're not completely over the poop thread era?

don't go visit the love shy forums

you will be v disturbed

i would assume that since it's an internet forum for shy people, that there'd be a bunch of passive aggressive bullshit.

that's very big of you sarah :rolleyes:

I agree. They seem to be devoid of emotion. They just pump and dump men like there's no tomorrow. I am not into that type at all. What happened to all the ladies? I don't hate all women, I just hate the way they behave. What's the point of being with a woman if they all act like men, anyway?

sorry, i shouldn't have singled out shy people there -- you can just mentally "strikethrough" that phrase.

I hate them and how they fake niceness and being virtous around you but just turning a corner you can see the same women slut it up big time. So it depends what kind of men are around, if you are a nice guy with no asertive personality then they will tell you stories that no man ever touched their hand, but if you are a badboy asshole oo get naked and get a free blowjob.
so they reek hypocricy and contempt towards shy guys like me. So I have to like them just because my biological urges want to fuck them? No I passed that thereshold long before, hatred towards them is posession of my soul, a part of me in other words.
and one other thing is some douchebag guys also feel contempt towards me but at least they dont pretend to be nice around you, you know from their face what they are thinking about you. a douchebag is a douchebag everytime. but for women no way you can understand the degree of manipulation, they are sinister creatures all the way.
Hope starting from my fucking mother they all get what they deserve in this fucking world.
End of the rant.

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always kinda curious why these self-professed "nice guys" who think the assertive asshole guys are getting free blowjobs dont just become assholes themselves? (beyond the type of asshole they already are, of course).

is it just ressentiment or self-loathing being re-directed? seems like an awful lot of psychic energy is being expended to preserve a certain mode of behavior that they also recognize doesn't get them anywhere...

men are angry bc their fav sports team lost amirite ladies???

xp - they don't seem very "nice" to me based on those posts that mandee quoted

also this "trend" is kinda interesting to pair with the "women are being forced to date douchebags" trend of articles appearing lately.

oh i agree i just think "nice" is a code word for something else here. not even sure what.

"passive aggressive douchebag"?

like these guys seem like douchebags that fail to act on their internal douchitude.

The might hook up as freely as a Duke athlete.
The might hook up as freely as a Duke athlete.
The might hook up as freely as a Duke athlete.
The might hook up as freely as a Duke athlete.
The might hook up as freely as a Duke athlete.

I can see why Shakey's confused though because it does imply you're poking someone and going HA HA NOW U HAVE BOOBS. Which doesnt make much sense.

xpost lol!

it sounds like they literally drew boobs on you and gave you cooties

which I guess is probably how a 5 yo boy figures adolescence works for girls

That may well be how it goes in the playground!

BILBO: "What have I got in my pocket? Like, did they just give you fake boobs, and now you need a cootie shot?"

GOLLUM: "Sssssss. It must give us three guesseses, my preciouss—three guesseses."

i thought the circle/dot referred to what your arm looks like after a shot - like the circle is from the base of the needle and the dot is from the point?

well in that case why would you need ANOTHER shot?

ITT Shakey Mo unlocks the mind of the pre-adolescent male

i don't know, so the rhyme scans better?

shakey how did you miss this growing up, i mean they even have it in australia

i mean,

circle, dot
cooties shot

it doesn't have the proper rhythm

well in that case you could just reverse the phrases so it would be "now you need a cooties shot/circle circle, dot dot"

at least the sequence of events is clear that way

but then the rhythm would be off.

anyway, i don't think the circles and dots refer to boobs at all.

only way to get to the bottom of this is to have Laurel's jerky friend mansplain it

If it doesnt refer to boobies, why the cooties reference? For kids cooties has nothing to do with actual germs and everything to do with ew girls.

girls have cooties because they aren't boys. boys need cooties shots, which would result in a round circular impression and a dot in the middle of the circle due to the needle required to give the shot.

you seem to be missing a critical data point with that analysis, which is that boys love excuses to draw boobs

while we're on this can someone explain "eep op eep op bop" to me?????? those arent even words!!!!!!

"skiddle diddle kerplop"?! i mean REALLY this is just NONSENSICAL

at the age that I heard it, most girls didn't have boobs though

xp
http://content.internetvideoarchive.com/content/photos/383/016092_46.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXaobvYqWsw

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_omAjxECamwM/S7L5AZlZxFI/AAAAAAAAACc/mFI47sFRVhs/s1600/hanson_mmmbop-414439173b.jpg

alright folks take it to the 'sleep? that's where i'm a viking!' thread.

really believe that "circle circle dot dot/now you need a cooties shot" should be an OFWGKTA lyric

I never associated "circle circle, dot dot" with boobs.

*shrug* y'all feel free to completely overthink it, thats cool with me.

we're not overthinking it, you're the one thinking it's about boobs.

going back a few hundred posts, this and this alone is the #1 solution for creepy over-intense dudes and their womanny woes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXFT_p0LgrQ

actually not just that alone, it goes along with a whole host of related but v much non-charts'n'diagrams things like dressing well, being into a music, *enjoying* something that isn't glaring at girls from afar, and so on

http://i.imgur.com/5GLf3qN.jpg

I guess it's the "now you need a cooties shot" part that doesn't make any sense. Like, did they just give you fake boobs, and now you need a cootie shot? Or did you just grow some boobs, and now you need a cootie shot? Or they poked your boobs and gave you cooties? please be patient with me I am stupid

― You hurt me deeply. You hurt me deeply in my heart. (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, March 8, 2011 6:34 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

MRAs have got all year to beg for their continued privilege freedom from the shackles of female oppression but they make a big fucking noise on this day of all days

maybe they also leap into people's birthday parties screaming "we have birthdays too you know"

what about men? :P

https://vimeo.com/186056051

some angry vigilante fathers outfit put together a little convoy and held up traffic on the m1 this morning as a protest; we were driving back from brisbane a few hours later and the govia tolls billboard said 'happy international women's day' which was a surprising and pleasing sight for this part of the country. even though it would be better if govia intended to do it all along i hoped it was in retaliation.

gov IA

some angry vigilante fathers outfit put together a little convoy and held up traffic on the m1 this morning as a protest

i hope the next 364 days are all about men in their honour

The Case for Banning White Male Americans From America

to answer thread question for gay men:

other gay men

MRAs have got all year to beg for their continued privilege freedom from the shackles of female oppression but they make a big fucking noise on this day of all days

― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 06:22 (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

There's this, true, but there's a fairly large element of press/commentators seeking out these morons today especially in order to broadcast the same moronic opinions they always have

yeah for clickbait, that's true

the totality of news media is now clickbait

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I would get tested for disphoria which is a form of manic depression. It's just you're on the depressive disphoric side when your testosterone and thus your Id gets more forceful and dangerous to your Ego and Super Ego when you're trying to protect the people you love from the beast inside you. The twin snake of violence and sex are joined down at the bottom of our psyche. They're primitive old snakes but that is where the ill beast lives. Some might even come to recognize this as the devil in themselves, but really its more like a sick wolf.

In order to heal one must tame the Beast but not neglect him from food because that can make the Beast worse. I think the FBI or the people I loved saved my ass cuz I needed to eat, it was driving me nuts.

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