Rough Guide vs Lonely Planet vs Fodor vs Time Out Guides

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which of these, if any, do you actually prefer? theres a bewildering array of these things, i was overwhelmed in waterstones yesterday. do you own any of these?

gareth, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Check out the Let's Go! guides. Those tend to be really good, especially if you're on a budget.

Dan Perry, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Cadogan Guides are the best. Well, actually, what I mean is that the Cadogan guide to Prague is the best guidebook to anywhere ever.

But that does illustrate a point - guidebooks are really variable, and one company's guidebook to one place could be great but to another shite. The Time Out guides are an interesting example of this... their ones to San Francisco and Prague are pretty good, but their one to Budapest is appalling, as it sucks any interest out of visiting the place from you. Then you have the Rough Guides - their one to San Francisco is boring and makes the city sound equally boring, but their one for Hungary is full of top stuff.

Does anyone else engage in virtual travel through guide books? Thanks to the Lonely Planet guide to Iceland, Greenland & the Faroe Islands I am a font of amusing anecdotes about the Faroe Islands, without having to go through the hassle of actually visiting the place.

DV, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

When I went to Italy I took the Rough Guide and the appropriate Cadogan Guide. I found the Cadogan Guide really useful and the Rough Guide surprisingly negative / cynical, which isn't a great deal of help when you're trying to figure out what to do. So I'm with the Vicar.

The Cadogan recommendations for hotels / restaurants were bang on, too.

The caveat to this is that if I was trying to make my way around with zero cash the Rough Guide would be my choice.

Tim, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

the Cadogan Guide to London is really cynical, though. A friend suggested that that's because it was written by an English person.

DV, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Dan's right with Let's Go. The Barcelona one was fantastic and my friend said the Mexico one was brilliant too. They're funny, agree that finding places to go out in the evening is as important as being cultural during the day and they have good budget accomodation list

Anna, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

One of my few regrets about college is that I didn't try to work for Let's Go for a summer or term.

Dan Perry, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Time Out - Prague = really good. Time Out Tokyo = a bit lousy. Footprints Sri LAnka = good. Rough Guide Sri Lanke = rub. Rough Guide Mexico = good, Lonely Planet Mexico = k-rub.

ANy Lonely planet written by someone who studied at SOAS is usually pretty good in my book.

Pete, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

background info = rough guide

actual accomodation info = lonely planet

nightlife = time out guides have been spot on for me.

Lonely planet is largely derided amongst "travellers" due to the large number of people arriving in various places around the world and almost liveing their lives by them, but they can still help you out when you aren't sure where to go.

I've never used a Cadogan guide so I'll look out for them, me and Vicky used a couple of Green guides while in France and they were quite smart except that they're arranged alphabetically instead of by area so can be a bit confusing.

chris, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Cadogans are good since they seem to be written so as to read well while being useful. Main problem is the limited number of cities they cover.

I've generally found Rough Guides to be useful for info but if I go on a big trip my wife and I take 2 books so we can see which place gets recomended twice and so we can both be reading them.

Routard seem pretty good if you are in France and want to go to loads of brilliant restaurants. Don't know about anywhere else though.

Winkelmann, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

when i went around the middle east and eastern europe, i used the lonely planet guides and ended up running into the same drunk australians at every hostel and recommended point of interest... Anyways, I think the three budget guides [lonely planet, rough guide, let's go] are all pretty interchangeable - cadogan is a bit more upscale and has more historical/cultural information rather than where to get cheap beer and play darts in downtown hanoi, or whatever. i like footprints guides a lot too... The Time Out guides are really the best if you're just staying in one major city and have plenty of money to spend. They usually have a good idea on where the hottest/trendiest/etc nightspots are and pretty good with shopping, etc... Nice color photos too... oh, and they have the best coverage on gay/lesbian sorts of things if you like boys.... Have fun.. Where are you going?

phil-two, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

DESTROY RICK STEVES. Oh, and his lousy guidebooks, too.

Colin Meeder, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I've always found Lonely Planet Guides far better organised than Rough Guides - ie arranging all the listings by budget and so forth.

I used to think that Lonely Planet restaurant recommendations were pretty failsafe (judging by Morocco and Italy this is, the only places I've really had to use one). Then I looked at the Lonely Planet Guide to England, which seemed monumentally half-arsed and cobbled together and full of phrases like "If you fancy a bite to eat in Portsmouth there is a Waitrose on the High Strees, while the burger van opposite the HMS Victory does great hot dogs", while its Canterbury pub recommendations were just plain WRONG.

Matt DC, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

i tend to go with time out, mainly cos i've found their restaurant picks to be spot-on, and eating out = the most important part of a holiday to me. time out paris restaurant guide = particularly ace.

toby, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

One of my few regrets about college is that I didn't try to work for Let's Go for a summer or term.

My friend did this and it was one of the most miserable experiences of her life.

Kris, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I like Lonely Planet - I used that for my jaunts all around Australia and SE Asia, and it never let me down. Lots of useful local knowledge.

C J, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

My friend did this and it was one of the most miserable experiences of her life.

There was a girl who died a couple of years ago working for Let's Go!. I think she was in Venezuela and her bus went off of a cliff. I still wish I'd done it.

Dan Perry, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Rough Guide. Especially the Rough Guide to China. Rough Guide writers are sexy. WRRROOOOAAARRRRR!!!

(the above opinion is completely unbiased and absolutely nothing to do with the dayjob of kate's current boyfriend, oh no.)

kate, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

For american cities, Rough Guides are really nice- they give you a lot of background & interesting stories about places. I usually do most of my planning on the web before I go places, though, so I just use them for museum hours & maps & bits like that.
Fodors are crap- don't bother with them. In France this summer, I had two Rough Guides, a French book (I don't remember the series, though) and a Fodors book- I left the Fodors one in the bottom of my suitcase after two days, though. It was annoying on a lot of fronts, especially compared to the other books I had.

lyra in seattle, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Kate, I really enjoyed the Rough Guide to China and my father was very impressed with the bits about poetry at Suzhou, BUT.. there was this unfortunate line:

This is not to say that at some time in your trip you will not lock yourself in your hotel room and wish never to see a Chinese face again - you probably will.p.56 China 2000

Pretty lame, huh? But I e-mailed the editor and he seemed very nice and assured me it would be excised. I haven't checked, but I still love the Rough Guides (though yes, sometimes too cynical).

Spencer Chow, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Your LP china anecdote is interesting. The first LP china guide (1980s) was a monumental work considering the difficulties of travelling in China back then but every sentence dripped with the dislike it's authors clearly came to feel for the country as they trekked from ticket queue to ticket queue and from polluted stalinist city to polluted stalinist city. Gradually all traces of these author's famously 'I've done everything and hated it' approach to travelling has been erased, but the odd sentence crops up from time to time.

jon cannon, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Anywhere where time out updates on a yearly basis is generally pretty good, but for cities only. Cadogan Italy is very good. Lonely Planet for developed countries have been shocking in my experience, the Italy one full of things that are just plain wrong. I'd give recommendation to footprint, all three I've used have been excellent with the proviso that their idea of budget appears to be geared to preppy americans abroad. Rough guides are good for european rural areas but I'd still rather have a cadogan. I don't like Fodors or let's go but this is mainly based on irrational predjudice and my sister rated Fodor's and Let's Gos in central america.

Ed, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

lonely planet for Thailand's Islands and beaches is much better than the Rough Guide version I have to say.

chris, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

To our own surprise we discovered that our shop is mentioned in the Rough Guide (Belgium - Netherlands ed)!!!! We're also in a few other guide books, but mostly Japanese ones (in which is mentioned that I - hah!- talk Japanese.)

nath, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

looks like rough guides may be the best. i got the rough guide USA, and i've already got the nyc one.

where am i going? well, hopefully (finances permitting) boston/nyc/philly/pittsburgh/chicago, and then lisbon, and then possibly rome.

gareth, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Spenser, I don't know which author actually wrote that sentance, but hey. There are times when I want to lock myself in my room and never see another British face or hear another cockney voice. Regardless...

That's not even the worst expurge that had to take place. Apparently, BF didn't do his research properly, and wrote a description (sight unseen, from an interview with a local) that actually sent an unwitting backpacker hiking around a beautiful mountain lake ... in North Korea. Backpacker was promptly arrested and caused an international incident. Rough Guide had to print retraction, correction and another revision. Astonishingly, BF still has his job, and is in fact going back to China again next month.

kate, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I heard about that! the lake is in Mt Changbaishan on the China/North Korea border and it is indeed both beautiful and great for hiking. As long as you know EXACTLY where you are going ...

jon cannon, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

The problem with lonely planet is that all their "off the beaten path" recommendations end up with a path beaten over them due to their inclusion in the book. I mean it's a natural process, I suppose, and great for the local businesses that profit by the influx of backpackers but kind of a catch-22: foreigners trying to find "authentic" places without any other foreigners but more or less trampling the local culture in the process. I'm getting perilously close to paraphrasing the plot of the gawdawful film "The Beach" here, but you know what I'm talking about, right?

fritz, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I have not yet found a satisfactory guide to Rome, but then I think its a very difficult city to cover but still there ought to be someone who can get it right.

Ed, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I have loads of these - I've picked up a hundred or more dead cheap from library sales and charity shops, because I like looking through the ones with good pictures and I use them to decide where to go, then to plan adventures (to exaggerate wildly), and I take the odd one with me on hols. I probably like Lonely Planet best, generally.

Martin Skidmore, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

lonely planet was a FANTASTIC resource when i was in India, but i have also just realised that FODOR is an anagram of FRODO. mark S to thread!!!

katie, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Lonely Planet guides are best for background info. Rough Guides are the most interesting reads across the board i think. But shouldnt we all be asking the question, who the hell needs a guidebook? Unless its for somewhere like East Timor, or Kazakhstan where there is very little info about then they are pretty useless. I started travelling SE Asia with the old bible, south East Asia on a Shoesting and the only time i have looked at it is for Visa Information. All the guides should concentrate less on telling you where to stay and eat and stuff, as the best places are usually not in there anyway, and concentrate on telling you more usefull information about the actual place you are visiting. The word of mouth, talking to people on the ground is much better than wandering the globe with your nose in a book.

Wez, Saturday, 17 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I tend to prefer the Time Out guides, if only because the most memorable experiences of my recent vacations have come from their listsings. When I went to London with my dad years ago, none of the guides mentioned the Estorick Gallery of Modern Italian Art, except for the TO guide. By far my favorite museum there. Also, the walking tours in the Florence guide (there is one where you walk up a hill on the less-traveled side of the river...) were very pleasant. The TO guides also fits in my coat pocket the best, so I can use them as maps as well without having to carry too much stuff around.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Sunday, 18 August 2002 02:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Let's Go Paris 1999 = merde

Full of bizarre / inappropriate references to Quebec politics.

Miss Laura, Tuesday, 20 August 2002 11:51 (twenty-two years ago)

eleven months pass...
i just dont know now, i preferred the rough guides because they are matt and not glossy, but the last few ive ended up buying have been lonely planet, not sdure why this is. actually i hate the name and concept of 'lonely planet' for a city guide.

lonely planet england doese not have a section for bradford, it is 'leeds and around'. rough guide england does have a section for bradford

gareth (gareth), Sunday, 27 July 2003 10:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Lonely Planet for developed countries have been shocking in my experience, the Italy one full of things that are just plain wrong.
Yeah, a 'Lonely Planet is best for everything' friend of mine insisted on specially ordering in one for Tuscany when she went there on holiday and eventually had to admit that my other friend's Rough Guide was far better.

I found the Footprints guidebook for Goa excellent. Better than what I saw of any of the others.

Sometimes, for places that don't get annually updated guidebooks, it can be a matter of choosing the one that happens to be most recent.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 27 July 2003 10:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I just bought "The Dog Lovers Guide to California" for a possible road trip with puppy, and it seems to be a pretty good guide book- if nothing else, it's HUGE. A bit specialized, though.

lyra (lyra), Sunday, 27 July 2003 15:06 (twenty-one years ago)

seven months pass...
what about Brandt?

gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 13:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I have not yet found a satisfactory guide to Rome, but then I think its a very difficult city to cover but still there ought to be someone who can get it right.
-- Ed (dal...), August 16th, 2002

I used the Eyewitness Travel Guides from DK publishing, I have the NYC and London ones too. Haven't gotten to use the London one yet, but they worked very well for Rome and NYC. However in both cases I already had lodging sorted out and was spending 10-15 days in that one location. Rome is a tough city to do but in the best way possible--there's so much for nearly every interest. Some of the fun is in figuring it out.

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 15:00 (twenty-one years ago)

i used the bradt guide for yunnan province in china. it had a lot more history/culture/architecture information than the lonely planet, but not so much with hotel/restaurant/transportation links. though hotel & transport info gets outdated real quickly, and LP restaurant recommendations are pretty crap anyways. but i like them. they have guides for pretty out of the way places. Bradt Iraq, for example

phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 18:21 (twenty-one years ago)

the teeny guide to rome -- i'd buy it!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 05:39 (twenty-one years ago)

yea, the reason i asked about the bradt is because its the only guide specifically for macedonia that i could see

gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 08:15 (twenty-one years ago)

In the case of Lisbon, i found the time out guide to be better than the rough guide or lonely planet.

leigh (leigh), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 09:02 (twenty-one years ago)

five months pass...
what about Frommer's?

A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 00:33 (twenty years ago)

MOON guides. The first few, at least.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 00:44 (twenty years ago)

blooming heck, Wez posted on here, I really should get in touch.

Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 07:39 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...
has anyone used thorntree.lonelyplanet.com

i'd like to go somewhere to ask questions about places, but thorntree/lonelyplanet seems a bit more oriented towards natural wonders and the like, than i am particularly looking for. perhaps 43places.com might work out, but i remain to be convinced about that also.

perhaps you know of a better travel/places board?

terry lennox. (gareth), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

one year passes...
I got the Frommer's Yucatan and the Fodor's Mexico guide for free from a friend and had the opportunity to compare the two. I didn't find either to be that great, but the Fodor's Mexico covered the Yucatan better than the Frommer's Yucatan. I liked the design and layout of the Mexico guide and found it useful for getting a general sense of where we were going but not much more. Neither really provided enough budget options for hotels and lodging, and neither gave enough info on nightlife. Both also generally understated how gross and overcrowded places like Playa Del Carmen are and made Tulum sound like it was off the beaten path (it's charming and *relatively* quiet but extremely tourist oriented).

I do have a negative stereotype of Lonely Planet travelers (I met one dude who didn't want to go to Merida because it wasn't in his Lonely Planet Mexico book), but traveling by Frommer's and Fodor's was hard on the wallet and only useful at all because Mexico was completely new to us.

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:53 (eighteen years ago)

anyone have opinions on one series over the other for longer term stays (like a few months)? or is that really not what guidebooks are for? (i don't travel much, but when i have, it's basically been "oh! here's a new place, if i walk around all day maybe i'll find something that looks interesting." so not the most organized.)

Maria, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 22:11 (eighteen years ago)

Not that I'm the most experienced traveler, but I always find the best experiences result from talking to and befriending people rather than from the books. For example neither book even mentioned the huge semi-indoor marketplace of Merida, and that was one of the best things I saw the whole trip. If you're going to be somewhere for a while, I think it's best to put the book away after a week.

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 22:15 (eighteen years ago)

generally, that's not what many guidebooks are for, though they can be instructive in introducing/summarizing a place. rough guides, though, might be a decent choice for the purpose. you should probably look into whether there is a local guide for natives or newcomers.

fodor's/frommer's are useful collections of mainstream conventional wisdom, especially because they're free on the web (though the content isn't comprehensive and they can be hard to search), and their editorializing is often not bad, but i wouldn't rely on them exclusively.

gabbneb, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 22:20 (eighteen years ago)

Is there some sort of wikitravelmabobby that's any good? I'm not really up on all these wikis but it seems like an ideal medium for an ephemeral thing like travel.

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 22:23 (eighteen years ago)

again, as a matter of taste and usability, I think the Moon handbooks are the best series out there, though they're not especially urban-oriented (the Moon metro series i've only briefly looked at and found to be wanting in various ways). I think Rough Guides are very good but often too comprehensive for the first-time/generalist/time-limited visitor. I like the Michelin green guides' organization and willingness to prioritize and they often seem relatively otm in their judgment, though slightly too tourist-oriented.

gabbneb, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 22:28 (eighteen years ago)

speak of the devil

gabbneb, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 22:29 (eighteen years ago)

One of the more irritating things about the Frommer's was that it didn't seem to have much to say about contemporary Maya except that a lot of them work in the hotels and restaurants of the tourist spots.

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 22:40 (eighteen years ago)

you don't go to those guys for context/history/culture. you go to them for quick picks of what to do/where to stay/where to eat, which you then cross-reference against elsewhere.

gabbneb, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 22:41 (eighteen years ago)

Time Out

admrl, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 23:07 (eighteen years ago)

I liked that the Rough Guides were organised according to areas within the city - so if you're finished visiting one spot you can see what else is within walking distance, etc. Came in very handy and I used it quite a lot more than the Lonely Planet I also had.

franny glass, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 23:18 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

More or less unsurprising...

THE Lonely Planet guidebook empire is reeling from claims by one of its authors that he plagiarised and made up large sections of his books and dealt drugs to make up for poor pay.

Thomas Kohnstamm also claims in a new book that he accepted free travel, in contravention of the company's policy.

His revelations have rocked the travel publisher, which sells more than six million guides a year.

Mr Kohnstamm, whose book is titled Do Travel Writers Go To Hell?, said yesterday that he had worked on more than a dozen books for Lonely Planet, including its titles on Brazil, Colombia, the Caribbean, Venezuela, Chile and South America.

In one case, he said he had not even visited the country he wrote about.

"They didn't pay me enough to go Colombia,'' he said.

"I wrote the book in San Francisco. I got the information from a chick I was dating - an intern in the Colombian Consulate.

"They don't pay enough for what they expect the authors to do.''

An email to management, posted on the company's authors' forum, describes Mr Kohnstamm's book as "a car crash waiting to happen''.

"Why did you (management) not understand that when you hire a constant stream of new, unvetted people, pay them poorly and set them loose, that someone, somehow was going to screw you?'' author Jeanne Oliver wrote.

Ms Oliver, an experienced travel writer having written for Lonely Planet on eastern Europe, France, Germany and Greece, admitted to sending the email, but did not wish to comment further.

Other writers believe some practices described in the book are widespread. Lonely Planet forbids their authors from accepting gifts or discounts.

Another email, sent in the name of Lonely Planet chief Janet Slater, states that Mr Kohnstamm's books were all being urgently reviewed.

The email said: "If we find that the content has been compromised, we'll take urgent steps to fix it. Once we've got things right for travellers as quickly as we can, we'll look at what we do and how we do it to ensure as best we can, that this type of thing never happens again.''

Lonely Planet publisher Piers Pickard told The Sunday Telegraph that the company's urgent review of Mr Kohnstamm's guidebooks had failed to find any inaccuracies in them.

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 13 April 2008 06:23 (seventeen years ago)

it would be funny to hear from people who used the guide to colombia and found it actually kinda dece.

banriquit, Monday, 14 April 2008 11:43 (seventeen years ago)

just how curvy are the wives anyway?

blueski, Monday, 14 April 2008 11:44 (seventeen years ago)

I heard an interview about this and it's posturing of the highest order from a writer who evidently wants to go down as some kind of travel writing Lester Bangs or something.

Apparently the dude was hired to write about the history of Columbia and had contacts at the Colombian embassy and wasn't involved in the actual travel stuff.

Matt DC, Monday, 14 April 2008 11:53 (seventeen years ago)

that sounds plausible and paradigmatic: get a name for yourself by fucking up.

banriquit, Monday, 14 April 2008 11:57 (seventeen years ago)

five years pass...

going to mexico city for a week at the end of august -- anyone familiar with fodor's or lonely planet guide? 3 days of my trip are taken up by a conference, so i don't even have a ton of time. anyone familiar with mexico city? what should i do in the brief time i have?

marcos, Tuesday, 6 August 2013 15:55 (eleven years ago)

(asking only about fodor's or lonely planet since this is what my library has)

marcos, Tuesday, 6 August 2013 15:56 (eleven years ago)

in the past i've generally preferred rough guides. right off the bat i'm kind of turned off by the language in the lonley planet guide:

"remember that mexico city is, and has ever been, the sun in the mexican solar systen. to truly understand the country, you've got to come to grips with el gran tenochtitlan" okay thanks but i'm really not going to "truly understand the country" in one trip or even the number of trips a normal reader of lonely planet might take to mexico, nor will i understand the country by visiting this one very large city in a very large country

marcos, Tuesday, 6 August 2013 15:59 (eleven years ago)


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