Kilts: Classic or dud?

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Skirts for sissies or skirts for scots?

― Madchen, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

They look damn fine on the right guy.

― Ally, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

They look awful on Madonna

― Mike Hanle y, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

They sure do. And what's with her arms?

― Lesley Higgins, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

She has arms like Mr. T, then she claims she stopped working out. Shit yeah, woman, why are you lying?

― Ally, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It's all about the Ashtanga, Ally. London is full of yogic practitioners who say Madonna's been around their studio. Also with being married and her amazing tendencies to shag the trainer whenever possible quitting the weights and aerobics shit was probably on the cards.

Kilts are great, but must be Scottish, not JP-G or salvaged from school uniforms.

― suzy, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Irish wear Kilts too

― Mike Hanle y, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

natives-only or can descendants get in on the swingin'?

― Cryosmurf, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Mike, kilt-wearing Irish tend to be of the emigrated-from-C18-Scotland variety. Like my ancestors. My grandfather didn't have a clue about his clan though.

― suzy, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Suzy, sometimes I wish you just didn't exist.

― Mike Hanle y, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

A friend of mine from Cornwall always maintained that the Cornish national dress involves kilts, though I reckon this was just a ruse to enable him to wear a skirt to his BA graduation. He did look rather good in it, so I say classic, even if the wearer's not a Highlander.

― Richard Tunnicliffe, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Uhh, Mike, can you tell me why you've got such a downer on me? Or are you being ratty because the shaved ocelot said she was washing her regrowth tonight?

― suzy, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Is there any woman on this board that Mike doesn't have issues with?

― Ally, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yeah, Ally, but wishing someone didn't exist? Tch, juvenile and, well, TOO FUCKING LATE.

― suzy, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm glad you exist if it makes you feel any better. There's only one person around here that I want to not exist, damnit, and it ain't you.

― Ally, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hee hee, it ain't Hanle y but I think I know who you mean (we're on a kilt thread, right? And he'd wear one sans irony). If I am correct there's a bag of rock salt waiting for you to take him with...

...or knock him on the noggin if that's necessary.

― suzy, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Suxy makes me wish I had never gotten out of bed

― Mike Hanle y, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh dear, now I feel like I'm playing a riddle to figure out who I hate. I have no clue what that's in reference to, Suzy, but I'm saying you're right anyhow cos they sound gitty to me from that description.

Mike, you make me wish I was never born.

― Ally, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The thing is, why are we answering this question? I mean, *nobody* *I* know is *ever* going to turn up anywhere in a bloody *kilt*.

― the pinefox, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I guess that depends whether you 'know' Momus.

― Josh, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

when I think of Madchen I want to throw up

― Mike Hanley, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Would that be done with your little head or the big one?

As Scots formalwear, fantastic. Loads of my friends wear them. I think it's great when Nick Currie features a kilt, incidentally, but when my mum and sister went to see him play it freaked them out.

― suzy, Thursday, 9 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think all man skirts are cool , some times literally.

― anthony, Thursday, 9 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The Pinefox is wrong (unless he was being knowingly ironic). The reason I started this thread is because Ally C is coming to my cousin's wedding on Saturday and he will be wearing a kilt (Royal Stewart). I will tell you on Monday whether Ally C + Kilt = classic or dud.

I don't think about Mike Hanley.

― Madchen, Thursday, 9 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

My main kilt reservation is that a lot of Scottish men are quite gingery and the thought of bare gingery legs at this time in the morning is making me feel quite faint.

― Emma, Thursday, 9 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I am a Stuart. The black sheep rouge branch though .

― anthony, Thursday, 9 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The thought of bare gingery legs at this time in the morning makes me feel quite faint, too! But faint with quivering feelings of wanting to get back into bed with them!

Oh dear.

Mike, stop being a botard.

As my sainted Scottish granny used to say "Men in skirrrrts? Noo, dearrr." Men in kilts = classic, men in skirrrrrts = dud, especially when modelled by Michael Stipe or the blokes in the first season of Star Trek TNG.

― Kate the Saint, Thursday, 9 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I wear skirts all the time. Sarongs in ths summer and heavy wool felt ones in the summer.

― anthony, Thursday, 9 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

meant winter duh.

― anthony, Thursday, 9 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hang on!!! "Back Into Bed"??? I don't have ginger hair....?!

I guess I'll pack my bags then... :(

― Paul Strange, Thursday, 9 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

My god, she hasn't let that affair with Stuart Murdoch out of the bag, has she?

― Nick, Thursday, 9 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

But Stuart M said I was the only one! It all gets worse!

― Paul Strange, Thursday, 9 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

On men, they are so fucking dud. DUD DUD DUD. I have a male friend who wears a kilt, and it makes him look like a sap.

― The Dirty Vicar, Thursday, 9 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Good god, I'd never date Stuart M - he'd try to produce our records and make us shite. And I *like* having other people in the room during soundcheck.

Though I expect he would look quite good in a kilt.

― Kate the Saint, Thursday, 9 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

YOU'RE the botard! GO have some joe.

― Mike Hanle y, Thursday, 9 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Mmmm, javaaaahhhh... stop trying to push drugs on me, botard, go back to your sniffing glue behind the woodshop!

― Kate the Saint, Thursday, 9 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

actually, I sniff Preparation H. I then am treated to visions of ANgela Lansburry workin gup a sweat dressed in a pirate costume and working out of a rowing machine whilst yelling " I feel as if I could devour a humaer creature!"

― Mike Hanle y, Thursday, 9 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

For the record, Ally C + Kilt = classic. Sitting in a church having sinful thoughts prompted by the bare knees next to you is great fun.

― Madchen, Monday, 13 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

two years pass...

Where can I buy a kilt?? Sounds great to wear. Women have it made wearing dresses and skirts. Why cant we???

― Speeds Man (Speeds Man), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 06:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Look at VeloNews.com. They sell kilts for cyclist. And carefull with that name.

― Speedy (Speedy Gonzalas), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 06:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I've seen hippies wearing these skirts/dresses/kilts made out of patches. Very DUD.

― christhamrin (christhamrin), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 06:52 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...

Classic.

(In the kilt shop on Sauchiehall St, there's a sporen with a face!)

― Cathy (Cathy), Saturday, 24 April 2004 20:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I laughed when Ally C. told me that he was wearing a kilt to the wedding. I'm not sure that was the right reaction.

― Mary (Mary), Saturday, 24 April 2004 20:43 (twenty-one years ago)

It was.

― N. (nickdastoor), Saturday, 24 April 2004 20:47 (twenty-one years ago)

No. It's not. Ally C looks quite the dashing young man in a kilt (though you wouldn't think it to look at him).

― ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 24 April 2004 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

(haha, how foolish do I feel now that email notification of that was sent to Madchen)

― ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 24 April 2004 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Madchen only started this thread to monitor women with designs on her man.

― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 25 April 2004 04:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Ally and RJG rocked the kilt with aplomb. soon for pictures (i took a good one, tho it cuts off the tease of their shins alas)

― stevem (blueski), Sunday, 25 April 2004 05:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Classic

― Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 25 April 2004 06:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I have a conflict in my brane about this. I think that non-scots wearing kilts=dud, but blokes look cool in kilts. So as a non-scot, I want to wear a kilt, but my morality holds me back. Waaaaah!

― Johnney B (Johnney B), Sunday, 25 April 2004 10:07 (twenty-one years ago)

If you're not Scottish, it's false advertising.

― Cathy (Cathy), Sunday, 25 April 2004 10:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Scottish men only ever wear them at weddings and the like, never worn one myself and no intention of wearing one either

― Dadaismus (Dada), Sunday, 25 April 2004 10:13 (twenty-one years ago)

And sporting events. Though my brother had a friend that used to wear one to school every day.

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 25 April 2004 10:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Not true! Since moving to Scotland, I've met two men who occasionally wear them casually.
Disappointingly, I've not seen a single tam o'shanter.

x-post

― Cathy (Cathy), Sunday, 25 April 2004 10:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I've worn a kilt.

― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 25 April 2004 10:22 (twenty-one years ago)

You haven't been hanging around Central Station around the time of a Scotland home game then. Kilts and "comedy" tammies-with-fake-ginger-hair ahoy!

(xpost)

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 25 April 2004 10:28 (twenty-one years ago)

No, I haven't. I wish every time English people had a burst of patriotism they wore "comedy" bowler hats.

― Cathy (Cathy), Sunday, 25 April 2004 10:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I believe in that x-post.

― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 25 April 2004 10:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I shouldn't have said "only" ever wear them at weddings - but generally that's true.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Sunday, 25 April 2004 10:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyway, how's that any different from "English blokes don't generally wear morning suits except at weddings and the like"?

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 25 April 2004 11:05 (twenty-one years ago)

http://flembach.walagata.com/P4250002.JPG

― Carey (Carey), Sunday, 25 April 2004 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude needs to wear roller skates with that kilt!

― jel -- (jel), Sunday, 25 April 2004 14:40 (twenty-one years ago)

dude looks good!

― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 25 April 2004 14:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow.

― Cathy (Cathy), Sunday, 25 April 2004 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)

how many times will I be drunk?

― RJG (RJG), Sunday, 25 April 2004 14:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Fuckin' swank, that. Should I or should I not say that he'd be perfect for that one Spandau Ballet video?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 April 2004 14:54 (twenty-one years ago)

not say.

― Cathy (Cathy), Sunday, 25 April 2004 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah right then.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 April 2004 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

They look damn fine on the right guy.
-- Ally (garance8...)

They look awful on Madonna
-- Mike Hanle y (pennyson...)

They sure do. And what's with her anus?
-- Lesley Higgins (leslie...)L

Oh, I misread.

― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 25 April 2004 14:57 (twenty-one years ago)

kilts are terrible.

(perhaps i just don't have the necessary million dollar gams. i have a weird only one side leg hair thing going on.)

also why would want to look even more scottish than they are, if at all?

― Robbie Lumsden (Wallace Stevens HQ), Sunday, 25 April 2004 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I will never feel sufficiently Scottish enough to wear a kilt - not Scottish in that hoots mon/ Flower of Scotland/ shortbread tin way.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 26 April 2004 08:46 (twenty-one years ago)

hoots mon!

who is that scottish though?

has anyone ever seen the tiny wee guy in Glasgow who goes about in full formal brigadoon kiltwear? I was waiting for a bus on hope street and he cam up to me and started shouting about how he'd been beaten up "just for wearing a kilt. and this is scotland!".

sad, funny, sad, funny.

― Robbie Lumsden (Wallace Stevens HQ), Monday, 26 April 2004 09:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I confess, I was the one who beat him up

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 26 April 2004 09:53 (twenty-one years ago)

He doesn't sound as cool as the bloke who goes around Edinburgh looking like a 19th-century Russian cavalry officer.

― caitlin (caitlin), Monday, 26 April 2004 09:55 (twenty-one years ago)

och if he wasn't so small i'd have helped you....

he's perhaps the prime glasgow eccentric.

xpost

― Robbie Lumsden (Wallace Stevens HQ), Monday, 26 April 2004 09:56 (twenty-one years ago)

No, that's Alasdair Gray

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 26 April 2004 09:57 (twenty-one years ago)

When I worked at Oxfam bookshop we had a signed copy of Lanark, and alasdair gray came in,oooh, three times while i was on the till and asked to see it, each time doing a weird high pitched mumble to himself.

and bought copies of his own books.

― Robbie Lumsden (Wallace Stevens HQ), Monday, 26 April 2004 10:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I think they're classic if you can carry off the whole 'I've just been at an enormous clan gathering' look, but dud if they just make you look like a sap who'd rather be wearing a skirt but are afraid to.

And my god, they cost hundreds if you get them properly made.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 26 April 2004 11:15 (twenty-one years ago)

two years pass...

http://www.utilikilts.com/

Expensive but awesome. I don't think I could get away with wearing one, though.

― milo z (mlp), Friday, 26 May 2006 22:22 (nineteen years ago)

Suzy, sometimes I wish you just didn't exist.
-- Mike Hanle y (pennyson...), August 8th, 2001.

OTM

― jed_ (jed), Friday, 26 May 2006 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

wow, hanley was quite sassy at the start of this thread!

― Kim (Kim), Friday, 26 May 2006 22:36 (nineteen years ago)

kilts are pretty classic at weddings and pretty dud at all other times.

― jed_ (jed), Friday, 26 May 2006 22:39 (nineteen years ago)

I saw TV footage of some German NAZIS being arrested by teh cops, and one of them was wearing a kilt.

Thus I can confidently saw that ALL KILT WEARERS ARE NAZIS.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Sunday, 28 May 2006 11:28 (nineteen years ago)

Tsk - Vicar, have you been taking your vitamins?

― Lara (Lara), Sunday, 28 May 2006 12:57 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, key learning point here: not all Nazis wear kilts so it is advisable to check for other signs of the Reich.

― Lara (Lara), Sunday, 28 May 2006 12:58 (nineteen years ago)

Good point.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 29 May 2006 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

I'll probaby be lynched for this but weren't kilts invented by an Englishman?

― Paul Kelly (kelly), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 03:07 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/scottish/18thckilt.html

The Evolution of the Kilt
The 18th Century and the Kilt

What we think of as "the kilt" today was purportedly invented in 1725 by an Englishman. Thomas Rawlinson, owner of an iron works in Glengarie and Lochaber. This gentleman had a number of Highlanders in his employ and came to fancy the Highland way of dressing. However, the machinery and fires of the iron works posed a danger because of the Highlanders’ voluminous plaids. Rawlinson abbreviated the belted plaid, cutting off all material above the waist and further tailoring that below. What resulted is the skirt-like garment we know as the kilt today. In Gaelic, it is known as the feileadh beag (little wrap) to distinguish it from the feileadh mór (big wrap), the belted plaid.

Ivan Baillie of Aberiachan, Esq. attests to this story in a 1768 letter published in Edinburgh Magazine in March 1785: “And I certify from my own knowledge, that till I returned from Edinburgh to reside in this Country in the year 1725, after serving seven or eight years with writers to the signet, I never saw the felie-beg used, nor heard any mention of such a piece of dress, not (even) from my father, who was very intelligent and well-known to Highlanders, and lived to the age of 83 years, and died in the year 1738, born in May, 1655.”

Sir John Sinclair, renowned Highland Dress researcher, wrote in 1830 “...it is well known that the phillibeg [feileadh beag] was invented by an Englishman in Lochaber about sixty years ago.”

After the Rising of 1745, both the belted plaid and the kilt were worn by the Highland regiments. Originally, the kilt was worn in undress order only, but soon the belted plaid was deemed too cumbersome for combat and abandoned altogether.

Recent scholarship has, to the great delight of Highlanders everywhere, disproven that Rawlinson "invented" the feileadh beag. The Armorial Bearings of the Chief of the Skenes (1692) clearly shows a man wearing a feileadh beag. There are other depictions showing the feileadh beag prior to Rawlinson. Peter MacDonald, textile and costume adviser to United Artists for Rob Roy and advisor to the National Trust for Scotland and the Royal Scottish Museum writes: "To begin with, and this is perhaps the central point which has always been missed, the feileadh mor was formed from two pieces of cloth joined length ways. It is therefore not beyond the wit of man not to join them and this seems to have come into fashion in the latter part of the 17th century as socio-agricultural practices, and perhaps also the nature of warfare, changed."

― Paul Kelly (kelly), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 03:11 (nineteen years ago)

Mmmmm, bare gingery legs.

― pwdre ser (Welsh for rot of the stars) (kate), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 09:03 (nineteen years ago)

Ahh kilts. Pricey, those. Someone I know is apprenticing to a kiltmaker and is going to make me one for cheep cheep! Haven't decided what tartan yet, though, which is turning out to be a problem.

― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 12:11 (nineteen years ago)

one year passes...

it is sinful for men to wear kilts

― tipsy mothra, Friday, 11 January 2008 08:25 (eighteen years ago)

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