Into the Sewer: the American right wing, 2011

Documenting the overlapping zones of batshit and mainstream conservatism, resentment, revisionism and radical randianism, confederacy, straussianism and/or bonapartism in 2k11

What doesn't go here? Currently elected republicans talking or doing shit (we have a politics thread), People running in the GOP primary (they'll have a thread soon I expect). Or people who write for the Corner (there's a thread for that too). Or David Brooks. He has a thread.

Anything else goes! The fringier the better! Anything fringey with a huge following is best. Primary sources preferred! So go easy on the TPM linx, ok?

here's my first example:

steve sailer on charles murray on "the state of white america"

http://isteve.blogspot.com/2011/04/charles-murray-state-of-white-america.html

i tried figuring out the c-span website but it didn't cooperate w/ me

already posted this in the other thread, but just for completeness' sake:

http://debatejim.com/

never forget, "fecal matter sodomy will soon be law"

one of those isteve commenters has named himself after this dude who'd i'd never heard of:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Tillman

i love shit like this (attn max) (ok i got this from tpm)

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2011/apr/03/bogus-coins-bullion-seized-in-cda-become-focus-of/

Federal prosecutors go to court in North Carolina on Monday in an attempt to obtain government ownership of an estimated $7 million in “Liberty Dollars” and silver bullion seized as contraband at a private mint in Coeur d’Alene.

The forfeiture action comes 17 days after a jury in U.S. District Court in Statesville, N.C., convicted Bernard von NotHaus of conspiring against the U.S. government and manufacturing and selling counterfeit coins.

The case against the 67-year-old is believed to be the first time the Justice Department has brought a successful criminal prosecution against someone minting, selling and circulating coins in direct competition with the U.S. Mint and Federal Reserve.

The U.S. attorney who brought the case claims von NotHaus’ activities amounted to a form of domestic terrorism.

The jury conviction of von NotHaus comes six years after the start of a joint investigation by the FBI and U.S. Secret Service into his nationwide Liberty Dollar operation.

During that time, von NotHaus went from promoting private coinage to promoting marijuana as a religious drug. He started the “Free Marijuana Church” in Honolulu, giving away joints and calling himself a “high priest” who had used pot for 40 years.

In 1998, while living in Hawaii, von NotHaus founded NORFED (the National Organization for the Repeal of the Federal Reserve Act and Internal Revenue Code) and began printing his own currency and minting coins.

His Liberty coins, manufactured at the mint in Coeur d’Alene, were marked with a “$,” the word “dollar,” USA and “Trust in God” instead of “In God We Trust,” which is found on U.S. coinage.

The private coin and currency operation would be to the Federal Reserve what FedEx became to the U.S. Postal Service, von NotHaus boasted a decade ago.

Quickly, von NotHaus and NORFED became icons in anti-tax and radical sovereign citizen movements throughout the United States.

oh look

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvHhqr8OeFc

to the defense!

seth lipsky in wsj

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704425804576220383673608952.html

some dude at 'liberty4free.com'

http://www.liberty4free.com/Liberty%20Dollar%20Trial.htm

here he is on kudlow in 07

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJhMwxL_KR8

some hilarious linguistic gymnastics since he can't call them 'coins'

ha i love these liberty dollar bozos

my personal right-wing obsession, the sovereign citizen movement, is currently getting headlines in alaska:

A member of the Alaska Peacemakers Militia is facing misdemeanor charges alleging he delivered fake court documents to court officials.

Kenneth R. Thesing was issued a summons Friday on two counts of simulating legal process, or sending fake court documents with the intent of causing the recipient to take an action, The Fairbanks Daily News-Miner reported.

The papers were delivered in December and January while the district court in Fairbanks was preparing to try militia founder Francis Schaeffer Cox on a misdemeanor weapons charge.

Many of the documents bear Cox's signature and address his belief that he is a sovereign citizen not subject to state courts. They include a restraining order demanding that law enforcement officers stay 1,000 feet from Cox, the newspaper said.

No attorney was listed for Thesing in Alaska court records and searches of online databases found no telephone listing for him.

Each count of simulating legal process is a class A misdemeanor, punishable by a maximum of one year in jail.

just searching "sovereign citizen" on google news is guaranteed a solid 20 minutes of entertainment

apparently they have been occupying/squatting abandoned strip malls/development houses in and around atlanta

"Sovereign citizen" enjoys a lot of overlap with the violent neo-Nazi survivalist right. Some of them shoot people and there's a cadre of feds who go around to various local police forces briefing them on how to recognize "sovereign citizens" in routine traffic stops -- because they're dangerous.

Tip-offs -- fake plates, fake licensing, etc.

http://www2.fbi.gov/page2/april10/sovereigncitizens_041310.html

They're bigot white crooks with the added fillip of justifying it with an extremist ideology based on a make believe set of home-made laws.

ahh but theyre so much more fascinating than your run-of-the-mill neo-nazi survivalists! i think i have talked about this elsewhere but this kind of bureaucratic mysticism (or mystical bureaucracy?) that they subscribe to is so amazing. the idea that you can free yourself from tyranny by filling out the right forms in the right order (and the religious overtones this involves) is sort of... poignant to me! its like a pynchon novel.

True. Years ago I knew someone like this. They were best avoided.

http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2011/04/11/is-rush-limbaugh-hitting-the-oxycontin-again/

LOVING this j crew scandal

let's call them what they are: sodomites and tribadists!

“We have to reach out to those trapped in lifestyle that ultimately leads to death,” she said, ignoring the fact that all lifestyles ultimately lead to death.

so many lols

“When you live a lie, you tell a lie. Truth is not a philosophy. Truth is a person, and his name is Jesus Christ. Tell the truth in love, but it isn’t love until you tell the truth"

ryan sorba!!

"It divides you from truth and what’s the meaning of life. If you don’t have truth, you have nothing but fake."

"Guess what? Guess what? All right, guess what? Civil rights are grounded in natural rights," said Sorba. "Natural rights are grounded in human nature. Human nature is a rational substance in relationship. The intelligible end of the reproductive act is reproduction. Do you understand that? Civil rights, when they conflict with natural rights, are contrary -- hey, you sit down. The lesbians at Smith College protest better than you do. The lesbians at Smith College protest than you do. All right? Bring it."

― goole, Friday, February 19, 2010 5:20 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

he's like a right wing dat nigga delmar

― goole, Friday, February 19, 2010 5:20 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark

the idea that you can free yourself from tyranny by filling out the right forms in the right order (and the religious overtones this involves) is sort of... poignant to me!

Very true, ALSO that there's a secret savings account that represents you, which if you could tap into, could provide for you for many years. $630,000 has to be a lot more than most of the adherents of this worldview have ever seen in one place or even imagined having. The kind of freedom from worry that amount must represent is kind of...sad.

i think that the general idea of the so-called sovereign citizens is to gum up the innards of the courts and government bureaucracies with their innane filings. in some cases they do it for explicitly criminal purposes (e.g., filing fake liens and counterfeiting). i wasn't aware that there was anything metaphysical to those acts, though i could be mistaken.

also, and as i've said eons ago on ILX, their arguments re the constitutionality of federal/state taxes get a few pages in yer typical federal tax law casebook (if that) -- they are the tax law equivalent of the funny pages, i suppose.

For the Christian male, there's certainly nothing gay about wanting to get down on your knees and submit to Jesus. To live your live for him and only him, to be his daily servant. To let him come inside you, to let him touch you, like a stranger in the night.

Seriously though, if you ever listen to evangelist radio in south Ga/north Fla, it's some of the most homoerotic stuff you'll ever hear.

Seriously though, if you ever listen to evangelist radio in south Ga/north Fla, it's some of the most homoerotic stuff you'll ever hear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81ibVbxkjnA

You're also talking about the secessionists/nullification nuts now, too, a surprising number of which have crept into power in local governments. The last two years, because of the Obama presidency, have been energizing to them.

i think that the general idea of the so-called sovereign citizens is to gum up the innards of the courts and government bureaucracies with their innane filings. in some cases they do it for explicitly criminal purposes (e.g., filing fake liens and counterfeiting). i wasn't aware that there was anything metaphysical to those acts, though i could be mistaken.

― It's Britney, bitch! (Eisbaer), Tuesday, April 12, 2011 8:32 PM (55 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i imagine that a fairly large portion of sov. citizen types arent "true believers" but my understanding is that plenty of them really truly buy into it on a level beyond the purely mechanical

:david-wynn: miller and his bros spring to mind

And certainly anti-gov't sentiment is good for big business.

For the Christian male, there's certainly nothing gay about wanting to get down on your knees and submit to Jesus. To live your live for him and only him, to be his daily servant. To let him come inside you, to let him touch you, like a stranger in the night.

you know this sort of broad-stroke point-and-jeer bullshit really upsets me, but i'm having trouble pinpointing exactly what bothers me here: (a) that you're just slandering all christians when you're really only referring to a tiny fractional subset thereof, (b) tiresome hypocrisy-spotting, or maybe it's (c) actually trying to be funny with this "lol unintentional homo" shit because honestly ads for lite beer are funnier than this

the Christian Right kinda sets themselves up for this with their hardcore homophobic rhetoric and beliefs. i don't think that a little jeering is outta place or smug.

on ilx?

I think there's a general tone-deafness that results from people talking about their Christian experience in toootally un-considered ways that are 100% motivated by emotion. Unfortunately for them, it makes them sound kinda dumb sometimes. If they were thinking about anything except glorifying and magnifying the EMOTIONAL impact, they would have choosen other words or other topics entirely.

So I kinda think some ridicule is deserved for that alone, even leaving homophobia out of it.

I should say: ...motivated by emotion and/or intending to make an emotional appeal to the listener and ONLY an emotional appeal.

That "fake Jews" thing today kinda gave me the screaming mimis because it sounds exactly like evangelicals talking about anyone who isn't evangelical, including other Christians. So I'm feeling critical of the evgcl requirement of a big, emotional conversion experience and continuing expectations that your faith-walk would lead you into some kind of spiritual euphoria if you were doing it right.

first of all, the knowing reference to "the christian male" is enough to annoy me here; i fully realize i'm setting myself up here as an obvious apologist but there are christians for whom theology isn't understood in these terms! xp

Well he did say it was radio evangelism -- this is kind of a self-selecting group.

and second, this is a personal issue but i'm just really really REALLY exhausted by this trope that any sort of intimacy whatsoever between men (or male deities!) must be "homoerotic" and can be treated as a source of humor or as an insight into the subjects' sexuality.

can I just go back to this for a sec:

NORFED (the National Organization for the Repeal of the Federal Reserve Act and Internal Revenue Code)

elmo's amorphously otm, imo

It has this "these people are homophobes, so it's okay to make fun of them for sounding like the goddamned queers" feeling.

Which is not to say that's the intention, but yeah, it feels really icky.

ahh but theyre so much more fascinating than your run-of-the-mill neo-nazi survivalists! i think i have talked about this elsewhere but this kind of bureaucratic mysticism (or mystical bureaucracy?) that they subscribe to is so amazing. the idea that you can free yourself from tyranny by filling out the right forms in the right order (and the religious overtones this involves) is sort of... poignant to me! its like a pynchon novel.
― ban drake (the rapper) (max),

oh totally... the sovereign citizen thing came out of christian identity all that racist craziness but its goes far beyond its humble origins and has become something alex jones types are picking up on and I see all these pdfs and booklets on conspiracy sites about how this stuff and like, getting out of criminal charges through changing your name to something really hard to spell right and then challenging all legal documents with the "wrong name on it" - like names adding ; and { into various places in their names. I don't know why those jokers think that will work in the long term. A lot of the advice and stuff seems like bush league tricks to gum up the works so that they just leave you alone rather than deal with the hassle.

Honestly I would rather just pay my taxes instead of making my legal name g00gle"pr00fed`. But some people really get off on "screwin' the man," endless bureaucratic hoops be damned!

about how *(to do) this stuff

yeah look obviously there's a dissonance between the idea of spiritual communion and the vaguely erotic metaphors used to describe it and yes it can be funny!

but ilx poster adam bruneau singled out "the christian male" so he must think there is something particularly funny about gayness

xp

re: gumming up the works, here's how you do it old school:

http://www.paywithpennies.com/

Greetings. This site is about my culture jamming involving large payments in pennies to organizations that are difficult to deal with. Banks, government agencies, and the occasional retailer have all fallen prey to "penny payments." In today's society, it is all too common to hassle the consumer or the taxpayer. More and more we are asked to "hold," "wait in line," "fill out complex or time consuming forms," or give up confidential information.

...of course this guy had all his pennies neatly boxed up and apparently paid to ship them to the vehicle tag department, which sorta lessens the impact. You're supposed to empty a sockfull onto the counter for full effect.

http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/images/item/bruce_tweets3.jpg

Sperm are free agents once released into the "universe", right. Guess I'm just concerned for any who made their own way.

it's one of those uncontrollable forces men are subjected to, I guess

oh so that happened.

is it worth me reading all this shit?

no

can we go back to that gonzo insane racist ad that was posted about a bazillion posts ago, because holy shit

no but goole you should check out the racist campaign ad and the tea party summer camp that were briefly discussed amid jay batman's story arc

moral of the story

a. toads can eat three times their weight in mosquitoes per night
b. when they start wandering off from their own back yard, they find out cars are bigger than they are

now maybe I can get some work done today

xp:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ3B8WvVjL4

from the guy who brought you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-IwcTjAI4w

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU7fhIO7DG0

and then this

http://www.tampabay.com/news/education/k12/tea-party-group-offers-summer-camp/1175119

"We want to impart to our children what our nation is about, and what they may or may not be told," Lukens said.

He said he was not familiar with public school curriculum, but, "I do know they have a lot of political correctness. We are a faithful people, and when you talk about natural law, you have to talk about God. When you take that out of the discussion, you miss the whole thing."

Tampa Liberty is modeled after vacation Bible schools, which use fun, hands-on activities to deliver Christian messages.

One example at Liberty: Children will win hard, wrapped candies to use as currency for a store, symbolizing the gold standard. On the second day, the "banker" will issue paper money instead. Over time, students will realize their paper money buys less and less, while the candies retain their value.

"Some of the kids will fall for it," Lukens said. "Others kids will wise up."

Another example: Starting in an austere room where they are made to sit quietly, symbolizing Europe, the children will pass through an obstacle course to arrive at a brightly decorated party room (the New World).

Red-white-and-blue confetti will be thrown. But afterward the kids will have to clean up the confetti, learning that with freedom comes responsibility.

Still another example: Children will blow bubbles from a single container of soapy solution, and then pop each other's bubbles with squirt guns in an arrangement that mimics socialism. They are to count how many bubbles they pop. Then they will work with individual bottles of solution and pop their own bubbles.

"What they will find out is that you can do a lot more with individual freedom," Lukens said.

While the Liberty school is the first of its kind in the Tampa Bay area, Lukens said a group in Kentucky ran a similar school, and he learned from their ideas.

There is room for 40 students in the Tampa school and as of Monday, eight had signed up. The fee is $15.

pareene zing:

The children will be rewarded for disobeying rules, because camp counselors have no authority under the 10th Amendment.

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/06/14/tea_party_summer_camp

Starting in an austere room where they are made to sit quietly, symbolizing Europe, the children will pass through an obstacle course to arrive at a brightly decorated party room (the New World).Starting in an austere room where they are made to sit quietly, symbolizing Europe, the children will pass through an obstacle course to arrive at a brightly decorated party room (the New World).Starting in an austere room where they are made to sit quietly, symbolizing Europe, the children will pass through an obstacle course to arrive at a brightly decorated party room (the New World).

got this feeling he'll be back

why are there so many edits in that Dale Peterson ad

I felt like I was watching a very patriotic version of the videotape from "The Ring"

damn max that first one's not a dave chapelle skit?

is that going on tv?

would love it if someone would start a new thread and let this one live in history tbh

Just set your bookmark low enough in the thread and it's like it never happened

yup, that's a crazy ad!

we'll need a new thread eventually anyway due to the insane length this one exploded into

until then I fully endorse reclaiming this one from the jaws of madness (and then flinging it into another type of madness)

Somebody go ahead and start it, and I'll link-n-lock.

Starting in an austere room where they are made to sit quietly, symbolizing Europe Totally cool with this if they play Bach.

my beautiful thread...

Suggest Bane

― adam aquaman (abanana), Wednesday, June 15, 2011 10:33 AM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark

Sublime. A+.

lol that "austere Europe room/party room USA" thing reminds me of the scene in Europa Europa where the youth commissars round all the kids into the town synagogue and demand thy ask God for candy. then they demand the kids ask comrade stalin for candy, and they do, and some people in the rafters dump buckets of candy on them.

Goole, you should do the honors with Sewer Mk II.

yeah ok gimme a sec

have these people ever actually BEEN to Europe?

That candy standard thing is the stupidest thing I've heard in some while.

well not in 1660, to be fair

xp

I feel like an Ikea employee yelled at them once and now they're just projecting hardcore

most americans haven't been to europe

Downtown Europe is an awesome party!

I know this makes me a crazy pinko liberal etc but I do feel that if you are going to teach children about something, you should have direct knowledge/experience of it. Treating an entire continent as a monolithic Communist entity seems, well, really fucking dumb to me.

otoh, lol

you don't need to go anywhere to know everything about everything, duh

if you've been to what you've judged to be the greatest country in the world why would you need to go to a second country?

I really want a followup to this, particularly on the candy standard

my mom (very temporarily!) dated this insanely rich (inherited) republican dude a long time ago.

took ALL his vacations in hawaii. had never left the country.

not that that's the norm, but it did blow my mind

basically they are teaching these kids that too much gold can make you sick

xp: bet he'd never been to Puerto Rico

The Candy Rush is one of the lesser known curiosities of American history.

It blew my mind in the past week to find out that no US president from Kennedy until Obama had visited Puerto Rico.

I blew my mind to learn that people think you need a passport to go there!

or rather "It"

guilty admission, guys: I have never been to Europe.

I'll make it eventually, I'm just overcoming endless generations of non-travelers on both sides of my family. I think the last time anyone on either side left the country for an extended time was to bomb other countries, during WW2.

never being to Europe is not a big deal

never being to Europe but feeling qualified to pontificate to children about how the entire continent is like sitting in an austere room where fun is forbidden... well that is just dumb

going to europe for the first time is like landing in full color oz after growing up in black and white kansas

going to europe for the first time is like landing in full color oz

(Fuckin' munchkins and flying monkeys all over the place)

And their candy tastes like heavy metals

btw y'all: the Kommisariat's Kontinuing Kronicles: more right-wingery in the USA, 2k11

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