What Pixar film most deserves a sequel that doesn't already have a sequel upcoming?

monsters inc

The Incredibles, easy. It's the only one that's really begging for a sequel.

Monsters Inc

I would watch a 10 year long tv series of those characters

Monsters already has an upcoming sequel!!!! Slated for the end of the Mayan Long Count calendar! THERE IS A REASON IT'S NOT IN THE POLL.

But yeah, Johnny otm, The Incredibles is the most natural fit.

Oh excuse me, Monsters University is a prequel.

siked for mi2 hope john woo gets nowhere near it

The Incredibles is the only one you could make a sequel to without unforgivably tarnishing the original IMHO

Please don't ever do Wall-F

or the four prequels

Yeah, Wall-E is the only one that's 100% untouchable, but just about any of the others could have doable sequels. They might be the Toy Story 3 to the better Toy Story 2, but that's hardly a blemish on either count.

Rata2ille

Wall-E sequel makes way more sense than an Up sequel.

Ratatouille, Wall-E, and UP may be my 3 fav Pixar movies but part of what i love about them is how they have self-contained story arcs and situations that wouldn't lend themselves to sequels or serialization. same is true of Finding Nemo too, really. The Incredibles definitely would have the most sequel potential.

wall-e's story arc wasn't self contained, it was tacked on to a magical concept and kind of spoiled it tbh

no idea what that really means but i don't see how that contradicts my statement that it doesn't lend itself very naturally to sequels

it doesnt, just disagree with your statement about it being an example of a particularly self-contained story imo.

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wall-e's story arc wasn't self contained, it was tacked on to a magical concept and kind of spoiled it tbh

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^^ kinda true of UP as well tbh

To tell you the truth, "Toy Story 2" is my go to - even more than, like, "Godfather 2" - for an example of a sequel so good it'll make me defend sequels forever.

Except "Cars 2."

cars 2 looks better than the first cars though.

shouldn't be hard to top tbh

cars 2 looks better than the first cars though.

There is a Cars 2 trailer, it looks alright, but then I don't have anything against the first movie really. I mean, it's far from their best, but I much preferred it to Up!. That's the only Pixar movie I think is flat out rubbish.

wait, Up was rubbish?

I didn't like Up either. I really want a proper Monsters Inc sequel.

I thought Up was very average until a second viewing

As with Wall-E, they marketed it as something completely different from what it is (a pretty linear story when all's said and done). When you don't let that disappoint you both are much more enjoyable

I was enjoying Up until around the time when the bloody talking dogs appeared. Pretty sure I would have hated that shit as an 8 year old too. I can't remember much about Wall-E, think I only saw the first half.

heh then you have no reason to dislike it

xp okay you people have got to be taking the piss. Up is the only film I have ever seen that has left me on the verge of tears for a full 90 minutes. Masterpiece.

That said Up is the least suitable of these films for a sequel, surely. The story has been told.

I could see the first ten minutes, but two old men with robo talking dogs in biplanes also made you tearful?

I have said this before but my faves thing about Up is it starts with this very masterfully structured tearjerker bit & then the rest of it is a bunch of sloppy nonsense that feels like it was made up as they went along. More movies should be structured like that. Get all the emotions out of the way & then blur away their potency with 85 minutes of nonsense.

aaagh if I say more I'll spoil it for people.

I want to say more but

And the fat kid.

What I typed there makes it sound like I hated it but I really appreciated it!
Though if mistaking the gender of a tropical bird makes you sad, or a dog waiter who cannot serve champagne, that is kind of awesome.

Man I totally forgot that fat kid even existed.
My mom said I was racist for calling him Asian.

xp no no no!

Can I say more itt? What's the position on spoilers?

I think everyone who wants to has seen Up at this point! I would say: say whatever you want.

My mom said I was racist for calling him Asian.

HA!

Autumn, I know what other part made you tear up. It did a number on me too.

Yeah I don't think it's spoilery to discuss it now. People have had plenty time to catch up!

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The house is a direct analogue of his wife. His unwillingness to let go of the house is in fact his inability to get over her death. ~The whole film~ is about his grieving process. The talking dog, boy's own adventure &c. is the sort of fiction he would have read as a child; that entire thing could even have been played out in his head Brazil-style.

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I loved Up, and I loved the connection established between the old man and the house, so that you
treat the house as a person throughout the movie. The stuff happening around that is fluff, but the man and the house, and the man and the boy are GREAT through-lines imo... totally unfuckwithable.

yep yep yep yep yep

That is p poignant. But he resolves it in the end when the house is at Paradise Falls, would you not say? Or it is just sad all the way through for you?

No, not sad. Just, bittersweet? It makes him so much deeper without him having to BE deep... and I found him and the housr to be more touching than flat out sad. Sometimes even happy!

xp yeah, when he lets go. The whole film is still about grieving though.

What if there was a sequel ––– and it revealed the whole thing was a fantasy, and the sequel was the old man dealing with the repercussions of the fantasy having been shattered? And then the movie is like The Bell Jar but with a square-headed old grumpus?

But AA otm about the grieving proceess and playing out childhood adventure. Never thought about the "in his head" aspect, but that really does work

Would this sequel have talking dogs?

No it would have nothing lighthearted in it at all! It would make "The Illusionist" (Chomet) look like a romp.

He would be like "Where's that fat little Asian kid?" And the head nurse would say, "We don't allow little boys here because this is a sad place. Also that little boy never existed. *makes him eat a seroquel* Also you are racist for calling him Asian."

Disliked Up pretty much, except for the masterful opening. Didn't see why they couldn't save the talking dogs for a talking dog movie. Also, felt Paradise Falls was a big let down and a huge missed opportunity. They reach this fantastical edge of the world. and it's a barren, rocky wasteland. And the only animal they find is a big bird? They could have had dinosaurs! They could have had ... whole flocks of birds! They could have had ... more than funny talking dogs. And the villain was super weak and tacked on and didn't fit, thematically. It's a testament to said perfect opening that the emotions it stirs are enough to carry the movie to its pretty ridiculous lengths.

BTW, I bet the Pixar talking dogs movie would have been hilarious. A lost tribe of talking dogs in the jungle, with their own laws and society and government and stuff? One smart dog who suspects there's more in the world? One equally smart dog who convinces the others that what they see is all there is? Until a mysterious balloon lands ...

Would watch: an adaptation of Atlas Shrugged but with talking dogs.

Would Brad Bird be behind that one?

Talking dogs would make most movies better, but not Up.

What if there was a sequel ––– and it revealed the whole thing was a fantasy, and the sequel was the old man dealing with the repercussions of the fantasy having been shattered?

I don't think that would work at all. If it's revealed that the whole thing was a fantasy (despite that very conceit being obvious – the idea of him floating to his dream landscape in sth america and meeting his pilot hero etc, i mean) then the film doesn't have the UP ending it needs to have by its very name. Also, all those people who never saw the house/wife analogue and left thinking it was a funny adventure get to hold onto that.

But AA otm about the grieving proceess and playing out childhood adventure. Never thought about the "in his head" aspect, but that really does work

imo it's the only way this film can work, on any level deeper than a jungle romp. His life partner dies, he has no children, he's completely alone, his house (full of tokens that remind him of his wife) is under threat and he escapes into his own head.

Josh in Chicago, if you keep thinking of Up as a sterotypical Pixar movie you'll never see anything more in it.

In fact, just coming back to the ending for a sec – right through the film I was expecting it to end with him sitting in his comfy chair, playing out the whole dream in his head and tears streaming down his face, but I'm really really glad it didn't. The ending was lovely. He had let go.

god i'm going to cry again

I am joking about the sequel – but just the whole 'it was in his head the whole time' is like one of those cracked.com lists like 'what if Cameron wasn't real in Ferris Bueller.' Like, if it was a fantasy, that suggests to me that the aftereffects would be more grim than just like the end of Wizard of Oz where Dorothy wakes up having resolved some or another Eriksonian crisis.

Yeah, but the audience doesn't have to know that. It's played out for families and it wants to have a happy ending. Really, the happy ending within it all is that he has learnt how to let go, so there's that.

wow autumn almanac you just totally spoiled Brazil for me

after the intro, which was every bit as great as everyone said, the moment that really got me was the talking dog hiding under the house tbh

Oh yeah, in Brazil he's captured by a talking dog and floats to Chile xp

oh I voted for Finding Nemo btw

think finding nemo sequel has more potential to outstrip the original than any of the others

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Didn't expect such a landslide, but ilx otm!

OK the three people who voted for Wall-E are monsters.

Also I find the reading of UP as a purely imaginary fantasy/hallucination much too externally overdetermined for my taste.

think finding nemo sequel has more potential to outstrip the original than any of the others

I think there's a good coming-of-age sequel where Nemo has to save his dad, i.e. Finding Marlin.

I can't believe there are people who hate UP.

I can see where one would have some footing to complain about Wall-E (though I'd disagree), but Up (even with the talking dogs) is kind of what Pixar is all about and if you aren't okay with it then why the hell are you even watching Pixar films anyway?

^^^

YES

plus they weren't actually talking, it was cooler than that

totally

Also, felt Paradise Falls was a big let down and a huge missed opportunity. They reach this fantastical edge of the world. and it's a barren, rocky wasteland.

But . . . it's a real place . . . that really looks like that!

yeah despite the absurdity of a flying balloon house i can see why they wanted to keep the world around it realistic

god damn it I'm welling up just reading you all talk about Up. 'On the verge of tears for the full 90 minutes' isn't quite right, more like on the verge of on the verge of tears - even when it was at its most capery, the house-as-wife conceit made it possible to bring back the emotion on the spot.

the relative wtf coldness of having to fight your childhood hero in order to survive is quite an under-rated aspect imo. definitely wouldn't want a sequel to this (whereas part of me would like to see more of Wall-E EVA) but do want quite a few more films like it.

think finding nemo sequel has more potential to outstrip the original than any of the others

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incredibles has conventional sequel appeal because duh it's a superhero movie but I don't think it'd be as good

a sequel to UP is unthinkable, a sequel to Wall-E would just be stupid.

Ratatouille has Toy Story type potential probably. Never saw bugs life.

bugs life has no sequel potential and is the one toy story movie the studio seems happy to forget it ever made (unfairly I think). ratatouille: I cannot see a sequel from this being any good.

Ratatouille was vastly overrated. Good, not great.

(hongrops)

Ratatouille is the best. Physical comedy done better than in any other movie decades and decades back.

thought ratatouille was great, prob one of the best pixar plots (although somewhat less of a magical concept than the others)

Up (even with the talking dogs) is kind of what Pixar is all about and if you aren't okay with it then why the hell are you even watching Pixar films anyway?

Because people keep writing articles saying they are the greatest movies of our age! Why shouldn't I give them a few tries to try to figure out what I'm supposed to be missing? Neither Up or Ratatouille did it for me but I'm sure I'll see more of these at some point.

As to the original question, I always wondered what became of that animate desklamp.

Because people keep writing articles saying they are the greatest movies of our age!

yeah these people are ridiculous

ill have to say monsters inc and the incredibles

have been scanning some time/sunday times 'top 100' film lists, all-time and decade both, just to see what i should be looking out for next

both rate finding nemo highest of the pixars

perplexing imo

Nemo seems like maybe the most popular flick among kids? but yeah i don't feel like many grownups rate it as Pixar's very best.

Rata2ille

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lol

i think i wouldve voted for a bugs life tbh, give dave foley some work