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zaibatsu nojento: sux then cos only real world london was classic
iamverymetal: realworld london was the worst!
zaibatsu nojento: of course me and chaki watch tv for differnet reasons, cos i didint missed one
iamverymetal: BUT THEY DIDNT DO ANYTHING
iamverymetal: they sat around the house!
iamverymetal: ALL DAY AND NIGHT
iamverymetal: didnt even leave
iamverymetal: or meet london people
iamverymetal: except neil got his tongue bit and the boring guy jay put on a play

― Chupa-Cabras (vicc13), Sunday, 18 August 2002 22:54 (twenty-four years ago)

My point is that i completely agree with chaki, they didnt do anything it was as amazing as BBB. Why do all americans hate the london one? It was the best one

― Chupa-Cabras (vicc13), Sunday, 18 August 2002 22:55 (twenty-four years ago)

As BBB understand Big Brother

― Chupa-Cabras (vicc13), Sunday, 18 August 2002 22:56 (twenty-four years ago)

I admit to having watched the first few seasons when I was in my very early teens, and I have to say that there is a tie between New York and London regarding the best iteration of the show. New York wins because nobody on it knew what to expect, and London because there seemed to be less fighting and less whining, too. I liked Lars 'cause he said "House music is my life" in his accent and it sounded so cool. I think London was good because the aspiring musicians on the show were at least semi-compelling. I would prefer acid jazz, avant noise, and house music to the mediocre rap, girl-group r$b, and coffee-shop folk I remember from the others...

Most Americans like dirty laundry, London did not have enough. Hence.

― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Sunday, 18 August 2002 23:37 (twenty-four years ago)

it had cool girls, like kat and sharon. i would suggest that americans hate that real world because mike made us look like fucking dorks. "DUDE! I can't eat food without RANCH DRESSING!!" "I'm gonna race cars for my daddy!" etc. (oh wait, we are dorks) yay or nay: neil was the biggest wanker on any real world, ever. jay was cool. he should have got with kat, not mr. douchebag...

― ron (ron), Monday, 19 August 2002 03:08 (twenty-four years ago)

who saw the playboy with the naked ex-real worlders? even though they were naked, i found that i didn't care because there was no heavy editing creating personalities for them

― boxcubed (boxcubed), Monday, 19 August 2002 05:15 (twenty-four years ago)

Lars looked like Jonny Greenwood on steroids. (And thus RW: London is classic for that alone) (Also, classic because I emailed Neil for some reason a few years ago and never received a response)

― Melissa W (Melissa W), Monday, 19 August 2002 05:39 (twenty-four years ago)

I worked on Real World London - and trust me iot was the worst. None of the fuckers could work so they stayed in bed all day. ANd Lars smoked all the time so he wouldn't be on TV.

Every item of furniture in that house was put together by my hand. Badly I must add.

― Pete, Monday, 19 August 2002 08:28 (twenty-four years ago)

RWLondon had some of the best personalities to ever appear on the show (Kat, Neil, Jacinda, Sharon, Lars). I think this was the last time the assembled a group that had some amount of maturity and conflict-resolution skills. It was nice seeing that you could pick seven strangers and throw them together in a house and HAVE THEM GET ALONG; as much as I enjoy them, some of the later RW seasons make me despair for the future of humanity (RW Nutjob Roll Call: Step forward, Flora, Miami Melissa, Montana, Kaia, Hawaii Matt, Amaya, Stephen, NO David, Julie, Tonya, Kyle, Cara, Lori, NY2 Rachel, Nicole...)

Ha, I just listed the biggest nutjobs from the later seasons and no one can compare to Puck, Tami or Beth S! Maybe Kaia and Kyle, but it's tough.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 19 August 2002 12:26 (twenty-four years ago)

Also my bitterness increases as I was only in the credits to one of the shows and they spelt my name wrong.

I'd agree with you that Lars was a nice guy, but the rest of them. Self obsessed narcissists who had some kind of sleeping sickness. ANd they couldn't hack Notting Hill.

― Pete, Monday, 19 August 2002 12:35 (twenty-four years ago)

I always was bemused by the fights, if I was on it I think and someone who was annoying me and vice versa said "no let's discuss this" I think I'd just tell them to leave me alone and go out. On face value this seems bad but I think after a few hours outside the matter would be over in my mind. The Americans on Real World seemed to be very emotionally open, which isn't always the best way of dealing with people, at least not in arguments, sometimes it's best to jusr leave someone alone.

Is it fair to say my way is a more Irish/British way of doing things? The better side of bottling up emotion?

I have to say I laughed heartily when that funny looking Bono Irish guy Dominic passed out on the beach after however many pints and the house was like "you have a problem Dominic". Yes he does, he's Irish.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 19 August 2002 12:42 (twenty-four years ago)

Sharon was a self-obsessed narcissist???? I mean, yeah, I can see Neil, Mike, Jacinda and Jay, but Sharon? (I assume Kat was too caught up in her fencing to be very interesting.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 19 August 2002 12:43 (twenty-four years ago)

Rachel from NY2 wasn't a nutjob, she was hot!!

I only remember Sharon being ill all the time. Kat was a lovely girl, bless her. I forget most of the others except Neil and his silly girlfriend.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 19 August 2002 12:46 (twenty-four years ago)

Ha, Ha Dominic. Loved that guy. "Bahhhh, Bahhh, Bahhh"

― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 19 August 2002 12:59 (twenty-four years ago)

I thought you couldn't get a more non-cohesive set of personalities together than the LA cast, then they did HAWAII. Kaia and Matt are demon spawn; Justin had the right idea but fucked up when he turned on easy targets Colin and Amaya rather than ultra-deserving targets Kaia and Matt.

Rachel NY2 was a whiny mess of insecurity with one of the worst voices on Earth. I know she was significantly younger than everyone else, but STILL! I wanted Coral to head-butt her.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 19 August 2002 13:13 (twenty-four years ago)

The Neil Kat thing was so made up in the editing booth as well. Take one sly look, an evening when Neil is being nice because weedy Kat is homesick and you have instant love triangle.

If faking illness for sympathy while on TV isn't the act of a self obsessed narcissist I don't know what is.

― Pete, Monday, 19 August 2002 13:18 (twenty-four years ago)

Nodes on your vocal chords is a SERIOUS ISSUE for singers. I'm more worried about that than I am any other illness.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 19 August 2002 13:20 (twenty-four years ago)

So Jay, what did you do during your stay in England?

"Uh, I saw Blues Traveler... and I put on my play. Oh... yeah... I shot some hoops... I saw my girlfriend too."

So you did the same things you would've done if you had been in the States?

"Well, I probably got more sleep."

― Andy K (Andy K), Monday, 19 August 2002 13:29 (twenty-four years ago)

Dan's right: there was something charming about a Real World that didn't ever descend into childish mentalism. I quite liked Neil, I must admit. I definitely liked Kat, until she showed up on a Real World / Road Rules challenge wearing a cowboy hat and hopping on whatshisface "my eyes are two different colors" from Real World Seattle -- my problem with him being that he was irritating on the show (strike one), and then was once doing drugs with my later-girlfriend, about which she said he was a prick (strike two) but she found him terrifically hot (strike three).

― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 19 August 2002 14:37 (twenty-four years ago)

Seattle David! Before the whole drug thing, he's another potential nutjob I would have hung out with. Now, I'm afraid I'd get arrested.

Also, I'd forgotten that Stephen was arrested for being a man-ho, so after that and his BIZARRE behavior on the last challenge, he definitely gives Beth and Puck a run for their money. I still hate Kaia and Matt, though.*

* As they were portrayed on the show; perhaps in real-life Matt isn't a low-life manipulative fuckface hiding behind a "sensitive guy" persona so that he can bang chicks and Kaia isn't a soulless, pretentious robot suffering from Tourette's.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 19 August 2002 14:53 (twenty-four years ago)

Dan, you have embraced all these strangers to your bosom, even the ones you hate. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 19 August 2002 15:24 (twenty-four years ago)

I would embrace them to my bosom in an attempt to suffocate them.

RW Fun Fact: Kaia's real name is Margaret.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 19 August 2002 15:46 (twenty-four years ago)

(I would attempt to suffocate the ones I hate, I mean. Or rather, I would attempt to suffocate their television portayals.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 19 August 2002 15:53 (twenty-four years ago)

But of course, you very bad mang.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 19 August 2002 16:20 (twenty-four years ago)

i think it's interesting that after the London season, it becomes all-too apparent that when the cast members aren't being forced to get in each other's faces all the time( and only sleep and put on lame plays) MTV made all the casts thereafter get "jobs" where they all have to work together--i.e., Miami cast (which I thought was, by far, the most dull) where they had to put together some sort of business (and failed miserably).. once again, MTV even fails in trying to make their cast members work, so the next season (Boston) they actually find jobs for them. I think they pick the most pathetic species of humanity for these shows, specifically for the reason of creating drama (which is mostly conjured up from thin air with a bit of editing). I don't know why any normal person would want to be on the show, which is probably why the earlier seasons are more tolerable (when the cast members were still clueless as to the future horrors they would face).

― mandee, Monday, 19 August 2002 16:54 (twenty-four years ago)

In all fairness, Mandee, some of my favorite RW alumns come from the later shows (Cynthia, Sarah, NO Melissa, Teck, Ruthie, Coral, Malik, Rebecca, Seattle Irene, Nathan, Miami Mike, Kameelah, Genesis, Jason). I mean, there hasn't been a critical mass of people I'd like to hang out with since London, but none of the casts are completely without likeable personalities (except possibly Chicago... no, I liked Keri and Theo).

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 19 August 2002 17:01 (twenty-four years ago)

I would live quite happily with these six people as an all-star cast:

Heather [NY]
Kevin [NY]
Norman [NY]
Beth S. [LA]
Neil [London]
Coral [NY2]

Most of our time together would be spent making sport of Beth S.

― Andy K (Andy K), Monday, 19 August 2002 17:31 (twenty-four years ago)

Chicago = RW moves boldly into UPN dating-show Maxim-approved 24-hour illiterate-hardbodies mode ... two blocks from my apartment. They are embraced only by the baristas at the coffeshop across the street (which subsequently folded) and the Indians at the adjacent convenience store, who after that started getting pretty damn snooty and patronizing toward the camera-less rest of the world.

The fun thing about a RW in your own city is clear evidence of how warped the editing is: according to Chicago episode one, the first thing Princeton-boy did the "day after" moving in was to browse through a Chicago Reader from THREE MONTHS IN THE FUTURE (FUTURE) (FUTURE) (future) (future). (That was the World of Tomorrow echo-effect.)

― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 19 August 2002 17:44 (twenty-four years ago)

Princeton Boy = Kyle the Vyle = STOP GIVING THE WORLD REASONS TO HATE THE IVY LEAGUE.

Norman and Beth S in the same house = QUALITY TELEVISION. Coral reminds me of a very good friend of mine from college, so I feel a large amount of empathy towards her (and the editors were much nicer to her during the Challenge than they were during her season).

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 19 August 2002 17:47 (twenty-four years ago)

best real world editing moment = in hawaii, they show justin at a table with red hair, cut to some other person being a headcase, cut back to justin at table with bleach blonde hair

― boxcubed (boxcubed), Monday, 19 August 2002 19:46 (twenty-four years ago)

But what ILXor's would make the perfect Real World cast? I nominate Dang Perry because he's obv. dying to be on there and very funny, Mark S. and Pinefox...you all can pick the rest.

― Nicole (Nicole), Monday, 19 August 2002 20:47 (twenty-four years ago)

Are we working from early Real World traditions or late? Because if "early" then Dan is going to have to be weirdly hostile or defensive and either get kicked out or have no one like him. (Cf the Kevin and LA comedian-guy* tag-team that I guess put them off of black males for a while.)

(* I'm still trying to decide about this guy's incident with Tami. What he did was really dumb and cruel and childish and took way too far a joke that wasn't even cute to begin with, and I suppose that justified their kicking him out, but there's this little part of me that feels sorry for him for having the whole thing inflated into this lascivious sexual assault as opposed to just oblivious shitty behavior. On the other hand, the price you pay for doing shit like that to people you don't know is that they may in fact really mind and really feel threatened, and they're not in any way beholden to play along just because you "meant" it in a funny and not a threatening way.)

― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 19 August 2002 21:26 (twenty-four years ago)

Actually Kevin wasn't necessarily hostile or anything -- I mostly liked Kevin -- but damn did that guy seem stressed out all the time: he was constantly simmering, verging on exploding, and thus constantly snapping and letting himself be drawn into magnificent arguments and building up all this tension with the others that he could never balance by just taking a second and relaxing with the rest of them.

― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 19 August 2002 21:29 (twenty-four years ago)

i will only be in it if i can spend the entire time watching big brother

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 19 August 2002 22:25 (twenty-four years ago)

i only saw the RW people here in seattle once. since the show wasn't on yet, the only one i really remember was lindsay, and she was wandering around the club struggling to escape from the camera guys. in retrospect i wonder if it may have been after her buddy died or something. but probably it's just a nightmare having the spotlight on you all the time

― ron (ron), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 00:46 (twenty-four years ago)

I still think Kevin was just being cruel and thoughtless for a few moments, and that it was Beth S who actually inflated the incident with everyone else in the house. Tami was pissed at first, but Beth S. was the one who goaded her into feeling threatened, etc.

I used to love RW, but the last few seasons I only have watched maybe a couple of episodes of at most. It just seems too Abercrombie, I suppose.

― Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 01:20 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm still trying to decide about this guy's incident with Tami. What he did was really dumb and cruel and childish and took way too far a joke that wasn't even cute to begin with, and I suppose that justified their kicking him out, but there's this little part of me that feels sorry for him for having the whole thing inflated into this lascivious sexual assault as opposed to just oblivious shitty behavior.

IT WASN'T NOT FUNNY!

― chaki (chaki), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 01:25 (twenty-four years ago)

I completely agree with chaki and Nicole. It's VERY telling that they replayed the footage of Tami laughing and screaming over and over while Beth S was putting together her little crusade against Kevin.

Beth S is one of the most evil people to ever appear on that show, followed closely by Tami. There was no chance of people getting along on the LA house with both of them in it. (That first RW reunion, I SO wanted Heather B to beat the shit out of Tami!)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 11:48 (twenty-four years ago)

Kevin = David (LA) in some of the recent posts?

Funniest LA moment: Glen moaning about the lack of fellow cast members' decorum overseas interspersed with his own (more extreme)lack of decorum overseas.

Second funniest LA moment: Beth S and her moped accident.

― Andy K (Andy K), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 12:16 (twenty-four years ago)

"Come on be my baby tonight...."

― Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 12:23 (twenty-four years ago)

"Skee dappa dee dappa dee....skee dappa doo dappa dee........I've seen the way you've treated other thugs you been with...."

― Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 12:26 (twenty-four years ago)

I really want a Reigndance or Perch cd for my collection.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 12:33 (twenty-four years ago)

Third funniest LA moment: Glen making fun of Tami's group for lip sync-ing at the talent show. By that virtue alone, Glen's band's talent was real. Reality! Check!

― Andy K (Andy K), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 12:39 (twenty-four years ago)

I am very embarrassed that I called LA David Kevin.

Fourth-funniest LA moment: Dominic passing out on the beach and everyone else thinking he had a drinking problem.

Fifth-funniest LA moment: Aaron's calendar shoot! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 12:51 (twenty-four years ago)

I really want a Reigndance or Perch cd for my collection.

I'll trade you for a Unilever CD.

I think LA Glen is one of the biggest assholes, as noted above. He also bitched about Jon giving a cowboy yell in that tourist bar stuffed with Americans, as if he had done it in a church or something.

― nickn, Tuesday, 20 August 2002 19:10 (twenty-four years ago)

Glen was pathetic. He was almost as self-deluded as Beth S. ALMOST.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 19:27 (twenty-four years ago)

I meant proper-Kevin works-for-Vibe New York Kevin when I said the simmering and edgy thing. He really did just seem awfully stressed out and run-down. Which may be part of why he was always arguing with Becky, who was consistently just lounging happily on the couch.

What I meant with David was that unfortunately he put himself in a position where someone (Tami) could say "No, I really did strenuously object to that and felt completely violated," which leaves him with very little defense: this is why we normally don't do stuff like that unless we're pretty damn sure the person isn't going to mind. But yeah, Tami obviously found it at least mildly playful and funny up until a point, and while he dragged the whole thing out a bit long, he did knock it off right around the point where she effectively communicated that she was no longer amused. Beth totally inflated it, and I got the feeling that Tami just couldn't handle the idea of having someone in the house who would treat her in a jokey picking-on way rather than, you know, adoring and accommodating her at every moment.

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 19:37 (twenty-four years ago)

"It WASN'T BOT FUNNY" - Tami to David btw

"Come on be my baby tonight" = Luck Be A Lady..

Kevin and David = aint shit compared to Seattle Stephen!!

― chaki (chaki), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 19:52 (twenty-four years ago)

I missed the Seattle episodes that led up to Irene's departure. I really, REALLY want to see them (I've seen the slap about 5 million times). Irene was my favorite in that cast from the get-go, so I really want to know what happened with her illness that made her such an outcast/pariah.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 20:06 (twenty-four years ago)

I initially read that as "Irene was my favorite cast from the get-go", leading me to think that Dan has seen previews of the new series 'Real World Sybil'...

― Dave M. (rotten03), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 20:52 (twenty-four years ago)

i have the reigndance cd. we can talk.

the more enterprising among you can easily go on google and find the web diaries of later-season cast members. more proof of their reflexive acting for the spotlight? it seems like an awful lot of them went into the show knowing that they would be 'that season's puck' etc ...

― maura (maura), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 21:11 (twenty-four years ago)

At the height of Reigndance hysteria, the store I worked at sold two copies of their album on consignment.

Somewhere in my stash of unsellable promos, there's a copy of Rebecca "Becky" Blasband's album. I never listened to it, but I have a pretty good idea of what it sounds like.

Oh: Jon Brennan is destined for the stars!

― Andy K (Andy K), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 21:41 (twenty-four years ago)

NO Melissa's website is by far the most entertaining of the Real World alum sites. If you REALLY want to despair, try reading NO Julie's site... YIKES!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 23:01 (twenty-four years ago)

And the links to these sites of joy and woe are...?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 03:20 (twenty-four years ago)

Here we have Melissa.
Here we have Andre'.
Here is everyones favorite mormon.
Here is everyones favorite raver christian.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 11:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh and heres the photo shoot from PB magazine

― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 11:06 (twenty-four years ago)

I have never looked at Matt's site. Something tells me I never will.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 11:55 (twenty-four years ago)

Just reading through Julies website...I want to hurt her. And apparently she has a band now.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 12:17 (twenty-four years ago)

Based on the band homepage, she's aiming at the twee market.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 14:39 (twenty-four years ago)

I like the twee market, but I don't think this project of hers is going to be worthwhile. I sense a massive failure. She's no Kings of Convenience.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 15:08 (twenty-four years ago)

That guy who put on the play has to be the lamest of all the guys I've ever seen on this show (or that boring do-gooder from San Francisco, Judd, I think?) I think London, LA, and Hawaii were my favorite seasons.

― Kris (aqueduct), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 18:57 (twenty-four years ago)

I thought Judd was lame on the show, but he's a pretty decent comic book writer. Back when I was buying comics, his Exiles title was on my list. I've also heard good things about his Green Lantern run.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 19:32 (twenty-four years ago)

The episode where Judd was depressed was the most unintentionally funny bit of Real World evah, but that may just be because I think he's a dork.

― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 20:55 (twenty-four years ago)

yay! i was scared to say how much i hated judd

― ron (ron), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 23:41 (twenty-four years ago)

Yes, but Judd's married to Pam now, so who has the last laugh?

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 22 August 2002 09:58 (twenty-four years ago)

Taking sides: Judd & Pam or Sean & Rachel?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 August 2002 10:42 (twenty-four years ago)

Sean and Rachel. I had a crush on her when RWSF was on. PLus Seans much cooler than Judd. He was once a lumberjack....

― Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 22 August 2002 11:23 (twenty-four years ago)

Montana and Vag?

― Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 22 August 2002 11:24 (twenty-four years ago)

God Julie is like a collection of all the worst pop cultural works of all time.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 22 August 2002 11:33 (twenty-four years ago)

Julie = drooly. I really do think that Ellis/Bunim cast her because she was a virgin named Julie, in a desperate attempt to recreate some of the chemistry of the first season of RW. But she was just awful, and so spectacularly dumb.

― Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 22 August 2002 11:37 (twenty-four years ago)

am i to understand that marrying pam is desirable? maybe it is, i dunno

― ron (ron), Friday, 23 August 2002 00:34 (twenty-four years ago)

Pam is excellent! She's smart, even-tempered, charming; perhaps a little odd in her taste in men, but perhaps Judd has become less smug since his Real World experience (they didn't get together until several years after the show, you know).

NO Julie is a nightmare. About the only thing I can think of that she did that I thought was great was when she squirted Matt in the face with the sink hose when he was being dumb. That almost made up for her commentary about his mouth (and her unnecessary drama-scrounging when her folks came to visit). Give me Melissa, Kelly and Danny any day from that group.

There was a period of time when Sean would have been on my Most Evil Real Worlder Of All Time list, but the conversations he had with Genesis and Kameelah at the end of the Boston season totally redeemed him. I've never been a big fan of Rachel's, though (but that's largely because of the rampant Young Republicanism).

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 23 August 2002 00:42 (twenty-four years ago)

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