Director's Cuts? dud or mind [and ass] numbingly dull double-dud?

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Gosh. I just went to see the redux version of Apocalypse Now at the local film festival and dear god was it ever LONG? Insanely, tediously, i-can-no-longer-feel-my-legs long!

Really, directors' cuts eh? Are they ever not just an excuse to ruin a classic film by bloating it with all the self-indulgent asides the editor quite wisely removed in the first place?

petra jane (petra jane), Thursday, 22 August 2002 11:14 (twenty-three years ago)

sometimes. sometimes studio fucks around. best example where director's cut = much worse that i can think of is Aliens. extra scenes not only unnecessary to story telling, but undercut much of the suspense, and the audience's journey accompanying ripley/the marines

Alan (Alan), Thursday, 22 August 2002 11:17 (twenty-three years ago)

i was about to jump in with aliens, too. i was mildly excited by the idea of it when i got the dvd box set (now lost to an ex-girlfriend, grr) but then massively pissed off once i'd watched it.

is bladerunner not considered to be an example of a good director's cut? i've never seen the original version...

toby (tsg20), Thursday, 22 August 2002 11:27 (twenty-three years ago)

The original Bladerunner had a terrible voice-over narration that virtually spelled out the plot. Removing it for the DC resulted in a vastly improved film.

robster (robster), Thursday, 22 August 2002 11:35 (twenty-three years ago)

johhny the homicidal maniac directors cut was well worth the fifty dollars. jhonen vasquez is just such a charming 'director'

angeline, Thursday, 22 August 2002 11:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Blade Runner "director's cut" was much, much better. As to Apocalypse Now, it REALLY sounds like a video movie. Judge it then, I'd think. it's way too long too watch in a theatre.

Andrew Thames, Thursday, 22 August 2002 11:38 (twenty-three years ago)

(i'm sure mr baran knows a lot about this and associated issues)

isn't there a history of studios adding voice overs? ISTR The Killing had one that Kubrick was really pissed off about (this was before he had the god-like power to do what the hell he liked). sad to say the narrations were (crudely) things like "Earlier that day" when the scene starts with the camera pointed out a window and you could clearly see there had been a jump in time frame (previous scene at night), and anyone paying attention could have worked out it wasn't later, etc.

Alan (Alan), Thursday, 22 August 2002 11:40 (twenty-three years ago)

'self-indulgent asides' - often my favourite bits. just so you know. I have difficulty trusting the editor's role in filmaking, it seems maybe they're more impt than the general public knows. incl me.

Andrew Thames, Thursday, 22 August 2002 11:42 (twenty-three years ago)

i think the voiceover better encapsulated everything that is wrong with bladerunner, but i agree that is not really an argument in its favour (viz: voiceover= unreliable PoV = deckard is a replicant...) (also i liked that the rolling-hills footage at the old end was from the shining, eg deckard and robot girlie escape the horrible city for the beautiful country, three days later he is chasing her down corridors of blood with an axe and springs popping out of his head shouting OH NO!! HERE'S HARRISON!! OH NO!! DOES NOT COMPUTE!!)

The Thing has not been re-relaesed to cinema because John Carpenter does not want to change any of it, hence he cannot say "Oh no!! Director's Cut!! OH NO!!" as part of the promo hence no rerelease => It is an infinitely better movie than BR or fkn Apocalypse Now in EVERY POSSIBLE RESPECT

also Francis you cokehead halfwite REDUX means SHORTER!!

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 22 August 2002 11:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Haha if Kubrick's movie were given Gaffer's Cut rerelease I'd be more likely to like em.

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 22 August 2002 11:49 (twenty-three years ago)

aliens DC gets a thumbs up from me. except for the bit when Ripley leaves Hicks to go rescue Newt and says, "see you, Hicks". except she says it like "see you, jimmy", and it ruins the whole film. ha!

g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 22 August 2002 11:52 (twenty-three years ago)

The TV version of 'The Shining' is longer than the original cinema version!

Most pointless 'Director's Cut' - 'Amadeus'!

Andrew L (Andrew L), Thursday, 22 August 2002 12:10 (twenty-three years ago)

The TV version of the Godfather I&II (turned into five shows) was grebt. The mark s cut of Withnail and I = very easy indeed to fit into yr programming schedule.

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 22 August 2002 12:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Seen it yet, Mistah Sinkah?

RickyT (RickyT), Thursday, 22 August 2002 12:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Hey now is there really a director's cut of "Withnail"? If ever a movie was nothing BUT a DC, etc...

Andrew Thames, Thursday, 22 August 2002 12:30 (twenty-three years ago)

The Godfather is not the third best movie ever made, even if you include 1 & 2 together as some sort of spurious uber-movie even though they were written and made two years apart (I don't know why this bugs me but it does). However it is the best TV mini-series ever made - it looks much better in the five part TV version.

I prefer the voice-over version of Blade Runner. The fact the ending is so contradictory to everything we have seen validates it - they are literally trying to escape the film (and as Mark S sez - they end up in The Shining!!!). AT least the directors cut is shorter I suppose.

Worst DC evah! = Dances WIth Wolves DC = 4 hours long!!!!(Each scene is left to run for about 20 secs extra). I generally disapprove of directors cuts, editing is best left to editors once the basic shape of the film is there. I can think of two Steven SPielberg films from the last 14 months which could both have done with half an hour lopped of the end (and already have adequate endings in them).

Pete (Pete), Thursday, 22 August 2002 12:37 (twenty-three years ago)

the end on AI = kubrick's cut though surely!!

rickyT what do you think? if i saw it i might like it and then where wd we be?

btw i am still trying to think of a "ts: crash/bangbus" gag/zeitgeist essay => it can also include speed and weekend if you like

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 22 August 2002 12:46 (twenty-three years ago)

The original Bladerunner had a terrible voice-over narration that virtually spelled out the plot. Removing it for the DC resulted in a vastly improved film.

naaah. The voiceover is great as it situates the film in that old Chandler-esque private dick genre. the fact that Harrison Ford hated doing it is an added bonus, as it means his voice has a skin-jobby level of detachment and alienation.

DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 22 August 2002 13:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Not as if Kubrick couldn't do with some help in the editing room sometimes as well. Eyes Wide Shut would have been much better at 90 minutes. 2001 is TOO LONG. But I think Speilberg has a lot to do with ending II. As for Minority Report the end of the the film lifted from LA COnfidential was wholly unnecessary.

Pete (Pete), Thursday, 22 August 2002 14:00 (twenty-three years ago)

(can't wait for fellowship of the ring extended cut; three hours is NOT ENOUGH...)

katie (katie), Thursday, 22 August 2002 14:02 (twenty-three years ago)

also! in orig bladerunner they cut out deckard's unicorn dream, which is a key to his being a replicant

bob zemko, Thursday, 22 August 2002 14:04 (twenty-three years ago)

key to his being a replicant = he is played by harrison ford => cf (grebt) director's cut of witness

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 22 August 2002 14:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Supporting the voiceover BR is rub. But I will leave you to your insanities should you claim this.

Aliens

Quite (and the fact that you have no other option on DVD is annoying). I don't mind those extra scenes per se, but it's true that by seeing the terraforming base first before it gets wiped out makes everything far less unsettling. Although I guess you're supposed to feel 'aw, sad' at the thought of all those little kids being DEVOURED from their INSIDES...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 22 August 2002 14:34 (twenty-three years ago)

also! in orig bladerunner they cut out deckard's unicorn dream, which is a key to his being a replicant

going all it was Donald about Deckard being a replicant was not a good idea. Ambiguity rocks.

it's not like I have actually seen the Director's Cut or watched the original a second time.

DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 22 August 2002 14:43 (twenty-three years ago)

tom cruise part in eyes wide shut = written for harrison ford!

dr. bill HAR FORD

AND STOP DISSING THAT MAGICKAL FLIM

boxcubed (boxcubed), Thursday, 22 August 2002 20:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hmm. The lead character shell-shocking his way through EWS would have been much better than what we got (the lead character smugging his way through the whole movie).

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 August 2002 20:28 (twenty-three years ago)

tom cruise's smugness is wholly excusable. in fact, it's his most wonderful trait. he's smug, clueless, and nobody calls him on it because he's obviously so fragile. he's tremendously popular, but the people he wants to work with most cast him in roles that directly mock his real life and real life persona. i could watch tom cruise for days!

only reason to watch vanilla sky dvd: in the their promo tour documentary (?), the cast and director are fielding questions from the press at the paris premiere.

french reporter: mr. tom cruise, are you afraid of the deletion of memories?
cruise: (giant smile, which slowly melts into confusion, then he looks around for help)

boxcubed (boxcubed), Thursday, 22 August 2002 21:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Not exactly a director's cut, but I saw recently the "unedited, European-version" of Billy Wilder's "Kiss Me, Stupid". This was great, then after the theatre played the part that Wilder had been forced to tidy up for the fragile American audiences--most interesting...to see how Wilder took a limitation that had been imposed upon him and turned it into a just as humorous skit with Dean Martin and co.

Mary (Mary), Thursday, 22 August 2002 21:17 (twenty-three years ago)

I think the smugness of Tom Cruise's character is part of what the film is about. the character is a smug self-satisfied git who loves himself and expects everyone else to love him too. so it's a bit of a shock to him when he finds loads of people out there who don't like him at all.

DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 23 August 2002 15:28 (twenty-three years ago)

I really hate the current state of affairs where EVERY film has a goddamn director's cut. Directors don't even need to decide on an ending anymore, they just shoot five of them and stick them all on the DVD. (On the other hand, this can actually make boring films more intriguing.)

Wasn't the director's cut of Blood Simple actually a few minutes SHORTER than the original one? I like that. Also, I can't imagine anyone thinking that the director's cut of Brazil was not infinitely better than the studio-dictated version.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 23 August 2002 15:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Cruise's smugness worked very well in "Vanilla Sky"; in fact, the descent into self-loathing and the drastic steps taken thereafter wouldn't have made much sense without the bloody-minded narcissism his character starts out with. In "Eyes Wide Shut", I spent the whole movie wishing Nicole Kidman had kicked him in the nuts and run off with that sailor.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 23 August 2002 16:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Dang, mang, I spent their whole marriage wishing that.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Friday, 23 August 2002 16:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Who didn't? In fact, I hold out hope that they're going to meet at a Hollywood function and Nicole is going to go apeshit and tapdance all over his balls in the middle of the red carpet.

(Nicole Kidman, that is, although I'll give our Nicole five bucks if she kicks Tom Cruise in the nuts at a Hollywood gala.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 23 August 2002 16:39 (twenty-three years ago)

tapdance all over his balls

A vision.

I'll give our Nicole five bucks if she kicks Tom Cruise in the nuts at a Hollywood gala

A better vision.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 23 August 2002 16:41 (twenty-three years ago)

the director's cut of VAN WILDER is a hundred and forty-eight minutes long!

maura (maura), Friday, 23 August 2002 17:41 (twenty-three years ago)

148 minutes of Teck Money???????

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 23 August 2002 17:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Brazil.....

jimmythemod, Saturday, 24 August 2002 02:58 (twenty-three years ago)

I can't imagine anyone thinking that the director's cut of Brazil was not infinitely better than the studio-dictated version.

A resounding YESH!!! to that one. possibly the best use of the 'it was only a dream' ending cliche EVER.

petra jane (petra jane), Saturday, 24 August 2002 05:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Hey now is there really a director's cut of "Withnail"? If ever a movie was nothing BUT a DC, etc...

The DVD version has about 2 minutes' more footage than the video version. That's the longest version I'm aware of.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Sunday, 25 August 2002 20:42 (twenty-three years ago)

two years pass...
>But I think Speilberg has a lot to do with ending II.

The plot of "AI" was summarized exactly as filmed by a post-Kubrick death story in the NY Times in '99 (under the assumption it would never be made -- SK had apparently agreed to Spielberg directing it before his death, however). So, wrong.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 14 April 2005 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)


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