Coppola post-Apocalypse Now

oof

this is kinda like choosing a kickball team from a herd of fat kids

cotton club is the prince fielder of this lot, probably

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR-zwvvjMmA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

godfather III better not get a single vote. if it does, i demand identities so I can SB without abandon

weird weird movie

Also, Jim Carrey!

Errr x-post

peggy sue or uh dracula, but jesus what a shit show.

i didn't even really like his Dracula.

it gets a sympathy vote for tom waits

his dracula is hilariously terrible. gary oldman is kind of dreamy, though.

Tom Wait was neato

all i remember about dracula was oldman introducing himself as "my name is dracooool" iirc

honestly that movie checked out the moment Keanu opened his mouth.

wow he seriously did "jack"???????? good christ

this is like a pitcher being mvp four times in the 70s and then spending the next 20 years cranked out and puking into the gatorade barrel between innings.

Jack being the Robin Williams film?????

maybe i made this up, but around the time jack came out i read an interview with coppola, and the journalist kind of gently pointed out that jack was not well-regarded and coppola blamed the fact that he seemed adrift as a director on the fact that the world was not producing interesting enough subjects for his movies anymore. it still pisses me off to think of that today.

francis ford crapola more like

xpost lol yea good thing crime evaporated for that brief period in the 90's, Cop

john cazale died just so he wouldnt have to see this poll

it was just such a shitty thing to say. like, martin scorcese has made a lot of bad movies but he never seems bored or to run out of things to get interested in.

tucker over outsiders i guess, his segment of ny stories is really abysmal

the only one of these I saw was 'jack'

I was a kid at the time

rainmaker was enjoyable enough also i guess? probably in my top ten grisham adaptations

voting 'jack'

yeah rainmaker is not bad

especially considering it's a grisham adaptation

oh wait I've seen that too

maybe coppola just needed a dicaprio grade muse

i guess in this horribly boring world we live in where Francis Ford Coppola can probably make any movie he wants, it's a good thing john grisham is around providing material.

even pre-dicaprio scorcese made a ton of kind of offbeat-for-him movies, like kundun and age of innocence. those movies are bad, but scorcese seems like a dude of varied interests.

he's dedicated himself to making inferior wine and spawning inferior filmmakers

yeah i guess wine is his thing

but he didn't have to make jack!

it was all the world gave to him!

everybody else was making Home Alone spinoff sequels

wow harvell the wine snob

i have no idea the quality of his wine actually. i'm drinking bottom shelf vodka in convenience store lemonade.

SORRY FRANCIS

i'm sure tucker is not bad (i've heard good things) but i never saw it, maybe b/c the title made it sound like a 7th grader's essay.

the wine is deece... nothing to get to excited about but better than your typical grocery store selection.

strongo never apologize, never look back

the cotton club is actually really good imo, awesome performances to be found and a better scene revolving around a watch than the one in pulp fiction.

I think he's said Jack was one of the movies he did to pay off One From The Heart, but he says that about a lot of things.

Diane Lane in the Cotton Club is pretty ace. She's in a bunch of these films now that I think about it.

yeah she's in the outsiders, along w/ melanie meyrink

When I was in college, I had a chance to meet Robert Redford, and someone was nice enough to tell him I was the only one there who had seen "Quiz Show."

"So, what did you think?" he asked.

"Did you see 'Tucker?'" I asked back.

"No."

"Oh. I thought it was kind of like 'Tucker.'"

Still not sure if I meant that as a compliment or diss, but I seem to recall Tucker being good, or at the very least featuring another good Jeff Bridges performance.

"Rumble Fish" easily.

critics raved about Tucker didn't they?

critics can be like that sometimes, but I forgive them.

watching Dracula again and it's finally clicking with me.

not cos it's 'great' or anything, Ryder and Reeves are hilariously bad and Oldman chews the scenery like mad but the atmosphere is fun including the Peter Pan disobedient shadow

What about... CAPTAIN EO !
And yeah, pretty amazing the quality drop post Apocalypse Now (although I do like Cotton Club).

As if a great artist like... Stevie Wonder had released only/mostly crap after Songs in The Key of Life !

pretty amazing the quality drop 2/3 of the way thru Apocalypse Now

I forgot where I read it, but FFC became obsessed with his children's interests (S.E. Hinton books) but then lost his eldest son in a tragic boating accident and never quite recovered from that.

― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, January 6, 2017 6:13 PM (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Has anyone here seen Twixt? Horror movie that came out a couple months after this poll. Apparently it addresses the guilt he feels over the accident. From wiki:

Hall realizes that his writer's block is the result of a form of guilt over his daughter's death in a boating accident, as he had been too drunk to accompany her that morning.

Critical reception for Twixt has been predominantly negative and the film currently holds a rating of 29% "rotten" on the review aggregator website Rotten Tomatoes based upon 17 reviews. Reviewers have criticized the film for being "flimsy" and "unwatchable". French film magazine Cahiers du cinéma placed it as the third best film of 2012.

Noticed a weird flex on tonight's Nightline: The 'Top 5' was the highest grossing J.Lo movies, and JACK was #5 at $58 Mil. Figuring that couldn't be right, I check Box Office Mojo, who report that Jack is in fact her 9th biggest film (not adjusted for inflation BTW) and was distributed by Buena Vista, a subsidiary of ABC's parent company, Disney.

Also: $58 MILLION?!?

that was right after Birdcage and Jumanji, so Robin Williams could open a movie til word of mouth got around.

Yeah, I think this was where his momentum began to slow. Father's Day w/Crystal was the next year, and kind of a cinematic New Jersey.

I remember seeing BILLBOARDS for Jack that summer.

I should really give Tucker a rescreen j/k

it's very good

Not to keep harping on Jack, but owing to only catching bits and pieces on TV, I somehow missed that Bill Cosby's one of the supporting players.

Jack debuted at #1. Robin Williams was yuuuge through 1998-2000. Even goddamn Patch Adams was a smash.

I thought this thread was revived due to the re-edit of Cotton Club to restore footage that got cut at the time because "too many black people"

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/09/francis-ford-coppola-cotton-club-encore-gregory-hines

if you are curious

https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/the-cotton-club-encore-movie-review-2019

Never seen the original release - interested to check this out on Blu-Ray or via Amazon.

“Encore” gives us more of the tap duet between Sandman and his brother Clay (Hines’ real-life brother and dance partner, Maurice Hines) and, in a heart-cracking act of sweet charity, allows Gwen Verdon (who plays Dixie’s mother)

I see what you did there

Watched a couple back-to-back: The Rainmaker and You're a Big Boy Now.

I think it's the first time for both, not 100% sure. The Rainmaker could have been directed by Ron Howard, but I liked it anyway, or at least once Mickey Rourke thankfully made an early exit. DeVito, Voight, Danny Glover, and Mary Kay Place are very good, and I probably like Matt Damon more than most people. His narration reminded me a lot of his narration in Rounders.

You're a Big Boy Now is mostly a dated mid-'60s romp, a young American filmmaker trying to catch up with Godard and Richard Lester. The common observation that it's a precursor to The Graduate has a bit of truth to it, but for me the latter is a quantum leap across the board. Karen Black's first film. I loved one sequence, Elizabeth Hartman's seduction of Peter Kastner to the Lovin' Spoonful's "Darling Be Home Soon." A different song, I wouldn't have even noticed.

did you watch YABBN on TCM? I saw it advertised tonight.

No, I found it on YouTube, which I'm able to watch on the big screen via my cable provider. Clean image, but it seemed a little jumpy now and again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AkcIlt2Yvo

Skip to 1:02:00 for the Lovin' Spoonful. (Off-screen, but Hartman actually puts on a record.)

rumble fish is so dope

Warner Archive did a nice DVD of YABBN.

Anyone see/have memories of the SNL ep Coppola directed? Host George Wendt and musical guests Phillip Glass. 1986.

https://www.onesnladay.com/2019/03/26/march-22-1986-george-wendt-and-francis-ford-coppola-philip-glass-s11-e13/

New One's in Trouble:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/francis-ford-coppolas-megalopolis-in-peril-1235284875/

A truly brilliant paragraph right here:

Sources say Coppola, who has never made an effects-heavy movie, fired almost his entire visual effects team Dec. 9, with the rest of that department soon following. Mark Russell, a veteran whose credits include In the Heights and The Wolf of Wall Street, was leading the team as visual effects supervisor. (Coppola famously fired his visual effects department on Dracula 30 years ago.)

one from the heart got nothing here? all right

Coppola says the everything is fine:

https://deadline.com/2023/01/francis-ford-coppola-no-truth-to-apocalypse-on-megalopolis-1235216222/

3D Stake From the Heart got nothing here?

"You don't think going into bankruptcy's scary? It's so scary that it can make you suck your own blood!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkWIh_IiL0o

Tom Waits wrote an exceptionally good tune for One from the Heart, though the Crystal Gayle version doesn't work as well and his own.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYwwpbStHZw

*as his own

this is kinda like choosing a kickball team from a herd of fat kids

I had a legitimate belly laugh at this.

I don't remember if I voted in this but if I did I'd have voted Tetro.

https://thefilmstage.com/francis-ford-coppolas-new-re-edit-restoration-btwixt-now-and-sunrise-arrives-in-february/

I love The Outsiders

Apocalypse Now broke him.

Saw Rumble Fish in a one-off Alamo screening a couple of months back -- never had seen it before, stagey as hell and yet it worked.

Anyone see the revamped Cotton Club?

I thought Rumble Fish would be thought of as a cult classic around these parts but obviously.. not.

Got through One from the Heart over a few nights. Wasn't sure I'd ever give it a go, but the Sam Wasson book made me curious. Such a weird, hollow film. Frederic Forrest is so ill-equipped to handle the lead role (and cursed with a Three Stooges haircut for most of the film). Felt embarrassed for H.D. Stanton (whose hair is worse) and Teri Garr too at different points (not her performance, more that she was dragged into this). I think Tom Waits' score is probably the worst thing about it. I've never seen La La Land: did it take some of its look from Coppola's film?

Ha, pretty brutal review from first line to last. Nastassja Kinski looks great in it though, right? iirc this film, like Bullitt, has one of those airport gate departure scenes that would now be impossible and thus inspire nostalgia.

xxp I actually saw that at the NYFF (having never seen the one that was ultimately released in theaters), and Coppola did explain how the Hines brothers bore the brunt of the cuts because of the racist bullshit the producers threw at him (i.e. the movie's too long and their characters only appealed to Black people). You can kind of tell what was cut because even though they found all those scenes, it feels like they didn't find the original camera negative and had to use inferior quality material to restore them. Not vastly inferior - it still looks like it came from 35mm film - but the picture quality definitely drops down during those scenes. Anyway, I have to say it's probably a massive improvement because the movie really lights up during those scenes - it's ridiculous that they cut them out because the rest feels so stiff in comparison, especially compared to the Hines brothers. Maurice (who just passed away) was at the screening, so at least he got to see it restored.

At least Heaven's Gate has the two great sequences, the graduation and the roller-skating scene. I know it's seen by some as a great film now, but even if you don't share that view, there are those two sequences. One from the Heart has nothing.

I agree that the music doesn’t work at all.

I really really really liked tetro a lot

My intro to the rather hot to Alden Ehrenreich.

to

One From the Heart had a couple of screenings at the local Alamo going and out of curiosity I went to see one and what a weird curio of a film. It's pretty obvious that Garr and Julia just have way better chemistry than Garr does with Forrest, while Kinski as a literal magic pixie dream girl means the only way the film even vaguely works plotwise is to read it as 'an abusive kidnapping hypocritical oaf finally pushes someone who deserves better too far, said person finds someone a lot better after all and flies off with him, while the oaf retreats into an unearned fantasy that probably is a sign of a breakdown.' And my god, when Kazan and Stanton start clicking immediately and then we follow Forrest as he runs off I was almost all "Are you insane? Stick with those two! They're fucking hilarious together!" It almost felt like Coppola was trying to puree several Bogdanovich films into one thing.