"if anything is worth doing, it's worth doing poorly."

"Well, that was worth it. I have gained great satisfaction out of doing a completely cack handed job"

Hmm

this world is so filled with garbage from people manufacturing crappy crap in the name of CHEAP. OK, what i first said goes for arts and such, the second goes for general principle of living, outside of creativity. or something.

here's a quote from one of my favorite movies, actually i can't remember if it was Driver 23 or The Atlas Moth. Dan Cleveland is a musician, trying to get his career off the ground. These are documentaries about his struggles etc. At one point he says something to the effect of "I've been at this so long, I'm not going to let something like not having enough talent, not being good enough - I'm not going to let that stop me!" and, see, i respect him greatly for this attitude.

Hmmm, maybe that should be on the 'Use Other Facts' thread.

There are probably a lot of things which, if done poorly, would make things worse.

I suppose cooking could be an example. If you make something really badly then you give yourself a bad time trying to eat it, and you also waste valuable ingredients.

I have read William Burroughs saying this, or a paraphrase therof.

"If a thing's worth doing, it's worth doin' badly baby"

didn't Burroughs say something to the order of "if you can't raise the quality of the product, lower the quality of the consumer"

here's a quote from one of my favorite movies, actually i can't remember if it was Driver 23 or The Atlas Moth. Dan Cleveland is a musician, trying to get his career off the ground. These are documentaries about his struggles etc. At one point he says something to the effect of "I've been at this so long, I'm not going to let something like not having enough talent, not being good enough - I'm not going to let that stop me!" and, see, i respect him greatly for this attitude.

― ron (ron), Friday, 23 August 2002 04:32 (fourteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

hate this attitude particularly when applied to nonessential activity

So I am guessing you won't be a big fan of The Turner Prize?

Maybe it's something for artists to tell themselves in order to get past initial fear of failure or mediocrity. I know that's for myself I've made a bunch of failed attempts to even finish writing a single song and have been left with many many fragments due to my inability to accept less than great, even though I'll probably never even get to pretty good if I don't let myself finish some lousy ones.

I used to be like that, but, fuck it, life's too short - churn the stuff out, good, bad and indifferent.

"I've been at this so long, I'm not going to let something like not having enough talent, not being good enough - I'm not going to let that stop me!"

If pursuing his music gives him satisfaction, even though he hasn't much talent for it, I think it's fine that he pursues it as a pastime.

otoh, his expecting anyone else to pay him, praise him, listen to him, or actively encourage him to pursue his music in any way, even though he hasn't much talent, just makes him a whiney pain in the ass to the people he keeps bugging to support his 'musical career' and they are permitted to beat him about the face and head with an open hand.

yes that approaches it.

also whos feeding u ya bum