could you be in a long-term relationship with a republican

Sure, makes for awesome make-up sex since you're always squabbling about something or other.

have dated conservatives, would do again provided we could have discussions & disagreements that rose above crossfire-level "you're wrong and i'm gonna go smoke a cigarette" stupidness.

first option should be changed to "gop fuck no" FYI

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you're wrong and i'm gonna go smoke a cigarette after our vicious hatesex

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this one maybe

though anybody that was like "i am a republican for life," no--true if they said democrat or green or w/e too. party ID is gross imo.

yeah I didn't really mean party mostly just meant conservative

libertarians count btw

right

lessons learned btw:

-if you have a disagreement, don't sweep it under the rug. have it the fuck out or it will drive you crazy.
-don't TELL EVERYONE.

I dated a self-ID'ed Republican once; the problem was more that he wasn't very bright. Sort of an endemic problem, I should think.

Dated a politically incoherent Republican (I never actually figured out where she agreed with the party on anything, but she was mostly apolitical beyond being pro-choice and pro-gay rights), it was fine, went south for other reasons. Don't think I could date a rabid conservative.

Yeah, I can respect certain Republicans intellectually but it seems many pick their (usually shallow) ideology 'cause it's a useful way for them to justify remaining a dick.

Yes, of course. It's just electoral politics. But I never have & hopefully never will since I'm off the market. In any case I'm not sure what to vote for here.

I had sex with a really hot guy from Calgary and when he told me afterwards that he liked our homophobic prime-minister and that he voted for him because he was from the West and that never happens, I was really turned off.
I did had sex with him again the following night though, but I could never date him. I don't get gay conservatives at all.

I don't think I could.

i dont think i could ever date someone who agreed with the republican party platform

maybe i could date a "conservative" but daniel larison wont return my calls

dated one before and would again if the situation was right (/ they were super hot)

also she was only republican because she was a young college student who was raised by a conservative family - I'm pretty sure she's basically liberal now

gf prob identifies as tory mindset, but isn't really interested in national politics

I dated a Bush Sr voter for two years in college. Kinda weird to think how this divide really didn't heat up crazy until after 2000.

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Conservative voting record has always been a massive deal-breaker for me. I recently binned off a Canadian who has UK citizenship and used it to vote for the Tories in the last election. He couldn't justify it and kind of waffled a bit too incoherently on the topic for an ex-Economist staffer. Strangely, I stopped returning his texts shortly thereafter.

lol fuck no

^^

Put me down for yes, but havent yet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvgXnzwwZsM

Three years later, the 2008 election appears to have cost me a friendship, and it's not even my country. Otherwise, I've never had to face this problem. I find Michelle Malkin attractive, but that's my cross to bear. Truth is, it's an easy "yes" for me, as long as she wasn't strident about it.

don't want to seem doctrinaire here but i can't imagine how this would be possible.

maybe if it was 1950

thank you

I don't get bipartisan couples.

i caught up with an old friend on the phone recently and discovered that she'd gone republican in the two years since i'd had a conversation with her. she spent about half an hour complaining about 'obamacare' and insisting that once i started making more money, i'd be a republican too.

social, never; fiscal maybe.

pretty much if you're an actual republican in 2011 you're either an idiot, an asshole, a troll or a combination of all three -- regardless i have no interest in dating you

Was gonna be all "been there done that never again" until I remembered alex James is a Tory so basically, um, if they're hott enough maybe?

I dunno. There are Tories who were just kind of raised that way & don't know any different coz it's just their class and background; it's when they really actually believe in it and try to force their views on you that it becomes impossible.

Being leftie is by no means indicative of being a decent bloke mice known too many fauxgressive types who turned out to be massively sexist cocks and that's far more difficult for me to put up with than someone who makes vague joists about free markets over the dinner table.

I'm married to a woman who hasn't ever voted for a Democrat.

actually polyphonic might be otm

are gay republicans generally more socially liberal than normal republicans, or is that a fallacy?

http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/585174

There are Tories who were just kind of raised that way & don't know any different coz it's just their class and background; it's when they really actually believe in it and try to force their views on you that it becomes impossible.

otm

phallusy

my in-laws make it work, but they don't really wrap a lot of their personal identities in their political leanings. plus my f-i-l (conservative) i suspect knows my m-i-l (lib) is right more often than not and might be posturing to some degree for his biker friends.

social, never; fiscal maybe

That's a much better description of where I stand--I'd even extend it to "fiscal, not a big deal." (I'd of course try to talk sense to her.) But social's hard to imagine.

spent a year (on and off) with a woman who seemed to have no clear politics but lots of oddly conservative ideas. believed that gay men were emotionally underdeveloped and afraid of women, that adherence to "traditional" gender roles was charming and grown-up, that wealth and social status reflected character and compassion was roughly equivalent to weakness.

loved her very much, but it didn't work out...

There are Tories who were just kind of raised that way & don't know any different coz it's just their class and background

That's totally worse imo!

not my wife, but one of my very best friends from HS and still very close to this day is super republican. but it works i guess. we mostly talk about football and other stuff.

also fiscal is worse than social to me

my college roommate (RIP) and i were terrific friends and we were like a bad sitcom version of what a conservative and liberal would look like. well, i'm not like a black lesbian, but you get the point

ugh gay republicans

lol fuck no

Why, wk?

i've talked to more than one gay dude over the years who has had near-fascistic opinions on economics, immigration and/or race, but this is true of plenty of 'liberals' too really

gay republicans hate themselves

and they're really racist

i almost had a fight with a guy at a party who was saying evolution was bullshit from a catholic point of view because guy was saying it was the church stance (catholic church doesn't have a stance on creationism and actually the "chief scientist" or whatever of the vatican called creationism paganism) and i was saying it wasn't, even pretended to be actually practicing catholic to give myself some gravitas in his eyes, what a dumb thing.

oh sure, its just that for me itd be the conservatism that would turn me off from dating that person, not the belief in god

yes i accept that mordy. and i'm not anti-religion or religious people, i'm latin american and i'm very cool with my family back in the old country who are typical of the catholicism there (one of the most socially conservative countries in latin america). i just feel like pointing that out, like i don't want cunts to think i'm some dawkins over here.

there are religious movements that are explicitly liberal + leftist, not just incidentally. i can't speak authoritatively on, say, unitarians, but take a look at like Renewal Judaism or other egalitarian movements that are primarily concerned w/ locating things like social justice, racial + gender equality, etc, in the religious experience.

yeah dude, when i was a child i was very liberation theology, catholicism (and no doubt other strains of the big 3) has a wonderful germ of egalitarianism in it. thinking about camilo torres can still get my eyes watering.

If the Democratic party in the US wasn't so right-leaning as compared to other liberal parties in countries throughout the world, I'd be alot more against dating a Republican. I'm kinda of the opinion that all US politics are BS and oligarchical and as long as we're compatible, I don't really care which party you vote for. On foreign & domestic fronts, the past 10 years have been dismal for both.

i don't think it's really about the difference in the parties or who you vote for, and this is just my interpretation of the thread, but we're talking here about someone who is politically aware and is conservative, not just someone who crosses a certain square of a box every few years.

i feel like all my contributions are dragging this thread into provincialism but i have nothing against small c conservatives, the failure of the welfare state is very apparent in glasgow and it's far from rare to hear people rage against the perenial labour council from a rightward view. the successes of the welfare state are taken for granted and that's understandable. but a tory i could not stand. the tories hate us, we hate them.

My current partner is not a Tory voter but occasionally says things which are uncomfortably conservative to me. The main regret this gives me is that I'm not eloquent enough to explain why these things strike me as so obviously wrong. I don't know if doing so would do anything except get us both even more wound up, but it's upsetting to find I can't back up things I hold as self-evident truths.

I've only dated one actual Tory, whose father was something high up in a big multinational and owned half of Kent. We rarely talked politics (any mention of politics by me or anyone else would get him rolling his eyes and huffing about how boring it all was) but he was a real "poor people just aren't working hard enough" type.

At that point I was feeling my most trapped by circumstances, even though I come from a reasonably comfortable background myself, and he would be genuinely amazed and annoyed that I saw options as being closed off to me. So it didn't work out, as you might expect, and he's now my least favourite ex. Not a 100% direct link to his conservatism, but I feel they're related.

My wife is sorta knee-jerk anti-labor b/c she's from west Michigan & really that's all you need to know...but she's getting over that knee-jerkiness now that she can see things from outside that vortex & in fact is spinning in the complete opposite direction at present.

We do discuss political ishes round the Church and are often as not close to agreement about that stuff.

nv how does her catholicism and your atheism play out re: children

I dated a Republican once and it was NOT a good idea. I would not repeat this error.

My parents met in DC a party to elect Kennedy or something, so it would sort of go against my upbringing, but I wouldn't rule it out entirely. I dunno, I've never tried it--maybe it would be cool.

There is a certain amount of stereotyping going on in this thread. For a fair number of republicans their party identification is no more than a matter of voter registration. Similarly there are countless self-identified christians who never go to church and hold no strong views about god or religion. Such folks are republican (or christian) because they were born into it and never bothered to notice they could be somthing else.

rmde at some of the "fuck no, because conservatives are horrible, evil, stupid people and ignorant, intolerant bigots" in this thread..

"fuck no, because conservatives are horrible, evil, stupid people and ignorant, intolerant bigots"

would you rather date the world's smartest conservative or the world's dumbest liberal

Liberals do themselves no favors when they suppose that their e.g. fiscal views are simply what an intelligent person would think, rather than what a moral person would think.

the slamminest republican vs the ugliest democrat

nv how does her catholicism and your atheism play out re: children

I'm respectful of her beliefs and she's respectful of mine. She takes the kids to church and I don't go, if they ask me questions about religion I tell them what I believe but tell them that they will make their own minds up as they grow up. Mrs V's liberal and doesn't force anything on them, it's more of a "this is a thing a lot of their friends and family do" and they like to join in. Rarely have any deep theological conversations with the kids and they don't seem to have developed any of that guilt yet so hey. I don't think they're really exposed to much more religion than the majority of kids at English schools.

fiscal views are simply what an intelligent person would think, rather than what a moral person would think

outside of the bigger moral picture, anyone who thinks they can keep strict conservative fiscal beliefs in light of the last 3 years is an idiot

conservatives are horrible, evil, stupid people and ignorant, intolerant bigots

I think Conservatism in a broad sense is contrary to my view of morality and fundamentally not an intelligent way of thinking about human beings and their social and political organisation. I'm not intolerant of people believing that any more than I'm intolerant of people believing anything else that I don't. I think I'm quite intolerant of callousness, whether it be armchair showboating callousness or not. And I'm intolerant of people who choose to cling to unexamined prejudice. Somewhere for me tho, irrespective of morality, there are ideas that are the ideas of my enemies, and to some extent people who push those ideas vehemently enough are my enemies too.

and yeah there is as much stupidity in the dream of the endlessly expanding free market on a planet of finite and dwindling resources as there is in the bleakest utopias of Marxist-Leninism

eh, it shouldn't simply be that they're your ideas; it should rather be why they're your ideas. & that, I take it, is a matter of morality.

i probly shd've said "my morality" - i don't have much faith in the notion of a universal morality?

ok---but I think it's problematic to say that someone else's morality is stupid, because it makes accepting a morality a matter of "brains", as though simply by calculating we can determine what's right & wrong; & I don't think our moral stances are arrived at through that kind of reason.

hey nv we're still cool tho, right?

obv but we're not getting married eh?

xps

oh i wdn't call somebody else's morality stupid. i wd call it immoral by my own lights perhaps. when you're at that stage i'm not sure morality matters much. but then i wd argue all politics is about power and not morality.

ok---but I think it's problematic to say that someone else's morality is stupid

right, which is why it's easier to take morality out of this and say that people who willfully ignore evidence that certain economic theories have been straight-up disproven are stupid

people who willfully ignore evidence that certain economic theories have been straight-up disproven

that's a dealbreaker, ladies

lol

there are some things that seem insuperable

one is trying to explain bridge to a person who doesn't understand the concept of trump

another is the absolute blind fucking faith that a) a free market is inherently just and efficient, and b) what we have is a free market (minus certain governmental annoyances that only serve to hamper efficiency)

the latter is a given amongst some friends of mine who should honestly fucking know better. but at this point republicanism in the usa is just team sports -- as redstate dude recently said, it's cool if the us/world economy goes to hell as long as obama is blamed for it.

it is increasingly difficult being friends with ppl who subscribe to this, even though i've known them for 20 years and they've been very good friends to me personally. can't really imagine dating someone like that at all

at this point republicanism politics in the usa is just team sports

My wife is sorta knee-jerk anti-labor b/c she's from west Michigan & really that's all you need to know...

Ay yay yay.

She's getting over it! But I take it you know what I mean?

Yeah but I don't understand all the factors that made unions/labor so bad and hated on the west side, besides Calvinism, I guess.

It's the alleged imbalance of state funds between Detroit & the west, which is perceived to be a result of union power.

No one has a single decent thing to say about them, it seems like. Total rejection of everything unions have ever done, and by the people who BENEFITED and/or should be benefiting more from the work they're doing RIGHT NOW, but they voluntarily give up their rights and side with corporations. Definitely some kind of sick self-abnegation that I'm sure has religious roots.

also they are communists

My mother in law is Lanarkshire's biggest Tory. My brother in law is the biggest fucking Tory ever to quit Lanarkshire. The wife, though, isn't. Family get togethers can be awkward round election time. But to answer the question: possibly.

Personally, I'm very pro-Union. It seems that most of the arguments i hear against unions are simply holding them to a higher standard than corporations or politicians. For instance, "They are corrupt!", you could really say that about any man-made power structure.

There's a really strong sentiment in W MI that union members are people who don't want to do an honest day's work, and a lot of water is carried by accusations of laziness and greed. And the accusations are being made by people who work from 8-6 without getting any overtime, and who may even compete with each other to get to work earlier in the morning. Just don't understand what set the scene for this crazy mixture. Besides Calvinism/American Protestantism, which afaic was tailor-made for the needs of the management/corporations.

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fuck no.

seriously sorry i missed this one, but the answer always has and always will be FUCK NO

i think louise mensch may have changed a lot of the british posters' answers on this today.

wouldn't go that far, noodle vague just needs a new annexe for his wankbank

i suspect that the answers would revert back to a FUCK NO a short time into the first date with louise mensch.