WORST film of the the official Disney Animated Classics canon

after Fantasia 2000, i don't even know what half this shit is

no 'victory through air power'?

out of the ones I've seen (which is like 30% of the list), the fox and the hound was pretty dire.

like i just moved to NYC and started hunkerin down on a real job and life n shit in like 2002-2004, an I have no idea what "Treasure Planet" or "Brother Bear" or "Home On The Range" is. I GIS'd Brother Bear and, as you can see, the poster has a shit joke. Are these good movies or wat

my kids love fox and the hound

hercules probably

Classic Disney direct-to-video features

shd have split the poll between classic era and "shit out one a year so McDonald's can do the happy meal toys" era. haven't seen enough from the latter tbh.

In my book, Lion King was the last one I'd call a "classic". Then again, that might be because it's the last one I paid much attention to. I'm sure I saw Pocahontas and Hercules but remember them being kind of shute.

brother bear has rick moranis and dave thomas doing bob & doug mckenzie, only as moose. iirc they were the high points in an otherwise by-the-numbers story. also hercules has james woods as the villain and the muses as gospel singers, so i will always cherish it.

the real answer is probably one of the cgi ones that have since fallen entirely out of the public consciousness. like, i've never met anyone who's seen or remembers "Dinosaur." i've never seen it either, maybe it's great, idk.

6 Saludos Amigos August 24, 1942 (premiere)
7 The Three Caballeros December 21, 1944 (premiere)
8 Make Mine Music April 20, 1946 (premiere)
9 Fun and Fancy Free September 27, 1947 [note 1][note 2]
10 Melody Time May 27, 1948 [note 1][note 2]
11 The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad October 5, 1949

this section is interesting, all compilations of material? have never seen any of them. s/d?

I haven't seen anything more recent than The Emperor's New Groove - which is actually pretty dope so I hope no one is considering voting for The Emperor's New Groove

my guess is that it's one of these that I haven't seen (haven't seen Princess and the Frog or Tangled either but from what I gather they're pretty okay):

42 Lilo & Stitch June 16, 2002 (premiere)
43 Treasure Planet November 17, 2002 (premiere)
44 Brother Bear October 20, 2003 (premiere)
45 Home on the Range March 21, 2004 (premiere)
46 Chicken Little October 30, 2005 (premiere)
47 Meet the Robinsons March 30, 2007 [note 6][note 7]
48 Bolt November 21, 2008 [note 6][note 7]

'the three caballeros' is awesome! in 2006 i described it this way:

a completely demented film from 1943 or so in which there is no plot whatsoever, just a series of surreal quasi-psychedelic episodes about donald duck going to south america and chasing (live-action) girls around for an hour. it's like a disney version of fear and loathing in las vegas!

Ichabod and Mr Toad is Legend of Sleepy Hollow and Wind in the Willows riff two-fer ... big fave when I were wee lad, but haven't seen in decades

got off the bus after Black Cauldron ... totally missed all the Nu Disney, but saw a bit of Aladdin with nephew ... that's one coked-out flick!

my guess is that it's one of these that I haven't seen (haven't seen Princess and the Frog or Tangled either but from what I gather they're pretty okay):

42 Lilo & Stitch June 16, 2002 (premiere)

Awww, I liked Lilo and Stitch. lol

Oh man I totally forgot about The Black Cauldron.

read the books, so hated it at the time

got off the bus after Black Cauldron ... totally missed all the Nu Disney, but saw a bit of Aladdin with nephew ... that's one coked-out flick!

is this a robin williams thing

31 Aladdin November 11, 1992 (limited)

Robin Williams being *very* Robin Williams.

You know you get those short "making of" featurettes that are really trailers - you see Robin Williams gurning into a mic and you just *know* how fucking annoying his character is going to be.

hercules or mulan

Tangled is fkn awesome btw

I liked Mulan.

Hercules is really bad, although it might just be that it came out at the age where I was no longer young enough to be really moved and end up crying at a Disney film. Although, I still well up at Toy Story and Snow White, maybe there's no logic here.

Black Cauldron is so so good.

hercules has RIP TORN as zeus you guys

also mulan is surprisingly beloved by the world of internet young ppl. i'm p. sure you can open any ONTD thread at random and post the line "LET'S GET DOWN TO BUSINESS!" and they'll reply with the rest of this song in its entirety:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSS5dEeMX64

that's donny osmond singing btw

MYSTERIOUS AS THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOON~!!

The Lion King is shit, but I'm probably going to throw a vote to one of the more overrated from the first few decades. Bambi, probably.

Ichabod and Mr Toad is Legend of Sleepy Hollow and Wind in the Willows riff two-fer ... big fave when I were wee lad, but haven't seen in decades

― Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Wednesday, July 27, 2011 6:45 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

I'll vouch for Ichabod and Mr. Toad. Ichabod is basically a Bing Crosby vehicle, with narration and songs.

The Three Caballeros is also great. I've never heard of the other package films.

I keep meaning to get around to watching The Black Cauldron.
As i haven't seen most of the latter ones, i'm also tempted to go for an overrated classic, thinking maybe Cinderella. Although of the late '80s stuff Oliver & Company is pretty horrible. Emperor's New Groove is really underrated.

lion king is legit great, this is obv

Surprised that I've seen all of these through Lilo & Stitch except a couple of the 40s comps; out of those my least favorite is The Emperor's New Groove, but I loathe David Spade so it never really had a chance. The late 70s/early 80s ones are poor, but as that's the Disney of my childhood it gets a pass.

Voting for Oliver & Company. I hate David Spade, but at least that movie had some good animation. O & Co has poor animation, Joey Lawrence, Billy Joel & Cheech Marin. Zero for four by my count.

The animation in O&C really was something of a low-point for the company

xp did you see Dinosaur? was it any good?

lilo and stitch is good; I've never seen all of Oliver but man it was bad from what i did see.
i'm actually going lion king here.

Meet the Robinsons the worst of what I've seen. Mulan the most recent that I can remember any songs from. I thought the last three (Bolt, Princess + Frog, Tangled) were all better than the bunch before them.

6 Saludos Amigos August 24, 1942 (premiere)
7 The Three Caballeros December 21, 1944 (premiere)
8 Make Mine Music April 20, 1946 (premiere)
9 Fun and Fancy Free September 27, 1947 [note 1][note 2]
10 Melody Time May 27, 1948 [note 1][note 2]
11 The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad October 5, 1949

What even are these? I'm assuming the first two have never been revived or re-released because they're extremely racist?

xp did you see Dinosaur? was it any good?

It was okay. The animation looked pretty good at the time, though I imagine it has aged worse than most anything on this list.

You know you get those short "making of" featurettes that are really trailers - you see Robin Williams gurning into a mic and you just *know* how fucking annoying his character is going to be.

I couldn't understand what he was saying for most of the film!

xxp actually not super-racist (although the latter does involve a bird named Pancho Pistoles who likes to dance around and shoot guns into the air) — Disney was actually trying to win over the Latin American audience at this point, under the auspices of the Good Neighbor policy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeWJRzfTeQg

(the parrot is Brazilian)

What even are these? I'm assuming the first two have never been revived or re-released because they're extremely racist?

― Matt DC, Wednesday, July 27, 2011 8:40 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

Three Cabelleros has been released twice on DVD. It's not particularly racist, as far as I can recall.

J.D. is totally OTM re: The Three Caballeros upthread. I saw this first in truncated form in the late 70s rerelease, then again recently and it is just as strange to my adult mind as it was to me as a child.

Three Caballeros is just great.

Of the ones I've seen -- which amounts to 32 of the ones on this list -- I'd probably go for "The Sword in the Stone" or "Hunchback of Notre Dame" as the most "Meh, don't need to see or think about that one again."

The Hunchback of Notre Dame is simply TERRIBLE, in a manner that left me aghast the entire time I watched it. I'm sure there are others that are actually worse but that one's getting my vote.

(I have very sentimental feelings towards Oliver and Company because I saw it when I was very young and it had cats in it, lol)

39 Dinosaur May 19, 2000 [note 2][note 6]
41 Atlantis: The Lost Empire June 3, 2001 (premiere)
44 Brother Bear October 20, 2003 (premiere)
45 Home on the Range March 21, 2004 (premiere)
46 Chicken Little October 30, 2005 (premiere)

this is a murderer's row of badness. i'll probably vote for Chicken Little, but Dinosaur's a strong runner up. None of the 90s movies can even compare, trust me... even Tarzan blows these away.

i think the last one of these i saw was pocahontas, it's not very good. i remember i saw it on a "date" but was embarrassed to admit that to my friends so i told them i saw it with my dad O_o

hunchback had that really fucked up and inappropriate Hellfire musical number, so I can't really hate it.

one vote for The Little Mermaid? Come on now

Lil Mermaid is pretty awesome. I've been known to jam Part of Your World in my spare time.

Under The Sea ffs

Little Mermaid had the scariest villain

I forgot to vote. Would of voted this:
http://www.wiinintendo.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/YOGI_WII_3D_Front-420x600.jpg

guys, hunchback is pretty good.

yeah, if you cut the stupid pandering gargoyle song out of the film, it's pretty great music-wise.

Kids love gargoyles, what can you do

Hunchback and Pocahontas both v harsh in a world where Oliver & Company live.

OK, who voted for Cinderella?

relieved to see no stupid contrarian votes for the classics, apart from 'cinderella' (which i always thought was a bit of a bore, tbh).

you are correct

I am confident that the reason Chicken Little only had three votes is because only three people on this board have seen Chicken Little.

i might have voted 4 lil mermz thinking this was for best lol

lil mermz lol

"Cinderella" gets a lot of play at our house because it's only 72 minutes, and a third of it is Tom & Jerry-like cat/mouse anarchy. But mostly because it's short. "Dumbo," future parents, is only 64 minutes, and it's got the awesome psych elephant sequence/song.

Hunchback and Pocahontas both v harsh in a world where Oliver & Company live.

― Merdeyeux, Monday, August 29, 2011 8:19 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

oliver and co had some good songs and also didn't happen to be extremely offensive to the native american community

i don't remember a thing about hunchback tho, just that gargoyles was an awesome tv show

I had no beef with Chicken Little when I saw it!

I am confident that the reason Chicken Little only had three votes is because only three people on this board have seen Chicken Little.

― ¯\(°_o)/¯ (Nicole), Monday, August 29, 2011 10:19 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

haha, same.

smh @ 2 lion king votes

I thought Hunchback had some good moments (especially Rollo's song by the fireplace, which is hella creepy and sexual for a supposed kids' movie), but the way the ending totally undermined the "appearance isn't important, it's what's inside that matters" moral was inexcusable. Yeah, appearance doesn't matter, except that the girl will end up with the handsome guy anyway, and not with the ugly hunchback who was in love with her.

that's p. bold and true for a disney movie tbh

The real moral of the story is 'hunchbacks gotta deal'

they did a direct-to-dvd sequel where he got a new girlfriend, she's not as hot as esmerelda but she's still probably too hot for the poor dude:

http://www.posters555.com/pictures/The-Hunchback-of-Notre-Dame-II-(2002)-picture-MOV_dbd2f844_b.jpg

settling for better than you deserve, worst of all worlds imo

"Cinderella" gets a lot of play at our house because it's only 72 minutes, and a third of it is Tom & Jerry-like cat/mouse anarchy. But mostly because it's short. "Dumbo," future parents, is only 64 minutes, and it's got the awesome psych elephant sequence/song.

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 03:45 (6 hours ago) Bookmark

Also contains the absolute tear-inducing Mother's lullaby.

The Black Cauldron was great, foolios!

2 votes for aladdin

Aladdin was okay. I could imagine the Williams presence being a million times more annoying than it was when I was 12.

Pinocchio is bloody disturbing.

lil mermz lol

― corey, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 03:27 (8 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

posts where you assume its hoos until you read the name

I haven't seen Pinocchio since I was a boy, but there's just so much about it I don't like.

even the pinocchio ride in eurodisney is scary/trippy

I do love When You Wish Upon a Star though.

Pinocchio is the GOAT. fuiud

Okay, who didn't like Abraham DeLacy Giuseppe Casey Thomas O'Malley the alley cat?

The Butler.

genuine lols reading the last forty posts

Watched Atlantis last night and was pleasantly surprised. It's not great but it's not bad and boy is it good-looking, except for a few bits where the computer-done stuff just leaps out too much. While it's pretty obviously cribbed together from a bunch of other movies (mainly Laputa) the story keeps moving and there are some solid action set-pieces. Main problem is that the cast is just too damned large, so nobody develops except for the protagonist, who does all his heroic growing all that once. I suspect somewhere at the core of this thing is a leaner, meaner movie intended to appeal to a teen audience (hence all the violence, high adventure, and sultriness), but Disney wasn't really ready to go with that and so it got larded up with comic relief characters and lots of Wonder.

Wondering whether I should give Treasure Planet a go, now.

Treasure Planet was allright.

was really surprised recently at how good the Frog Princess was. v underrated

Aladdin should get my vote for all but inventing the whole in-jokey Shrek style of animated features, but it's still more watchable than the absolutely lifeless The Sword in the Stone.

If you liked Atlantis, definitely watch Treasure Planet! Like Atlantis, it breaks away from the basic Disney mold; the plot is a bit more conventional (the basic story doesn't deviate too much from Treasure Island), but on the other hand its tighter, and cast is much smaller (I agree with you that that was the biggest problem in Atlantis), so characters are better fleshed out. The visual design is pretty awesome too, and the Long John Silver equivalent is one of the most memorable in characters recent Disney history; he has a cool look, the animation makes him feel unique in his mannerisms, and the voice actor nails the role perfectly too.

i think 'the sword in the stone' might play better for a younger audience, it's less a real movie and more a series of comic set pieces (oh no you turned me into a fish, oh no there is a witch here, oh no this sexually voracious squirrel wants to marry me). i remembered all the major elements of the movie vividly from childhood, but when i rewatched it a few years back it felt pretty limp.

Frog Princess got good reviews at the time iirc. i really enjoyed it.

watched Home on the Range last night and oh geez it is bad. i'm guessing they thought traditional animation was dead at the time and didn't bother the normal review process, because there are really obvious problems with it. examples: the main character is ugly. the cows have spiky hips that look painful. the plot isn't set up visually. roseanne's character is set up as a show cow but then that characterization gets dropped -- in fact she ends up without any character at all. they used CG for an ear of corn.

http://www.cartoonbrew.com/disney/disneys-crankiest-veteran-is-still-cranky-and-thinks-walt-disney-was-a-shit-79791.html

Never seen Hunchback, is it really that bad?

its not bad at all but it probably depends how offended you are by the idea of cutesy talking gargoyles in a victor hugo movie.

it has moment iirc
some real weird sex too

Walt Peregoy is my new hero.

i know right

If you liked Atlantis, definitely watch Treasure Planet! Like Atlantis, it breaks away from the basic Disney mold; the plot is a bit more conventional (the basic story doesn't deviate too much from Treasure Island), but on the other hand its tighter, and cast is much smaller (I agree with you that that was the biggest problem in Atlantis), so characters are better fleshed out. The visual design is pretty awesome too, and the Long John Silver equivalent is one of the most memorable in characters recent Disney history; he has a cool look, the animation makes him feel unique in his mannerisms, and the voice actor nails the role perfectly too.

― Tuomas, Friday, March 29, 2013 7:37 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Just watched and would agree with this - tighter, more convincing story, good emotional hook with the substitute father-figure stuff, and some cool design (though the Mignola weirdos in Atlantis were also pretty cool). I will say that some of the CG has not dated very well at all, and the big rock-song montage was super jarring and distracting. There was still something a little lacking in the proceedings - some of the merriment felt forced (especially the comic relief robot - trying too hard for the Robin Williams genie or something) and the climax gets real predictable. But overall, not nearly as stupid as I figured it'd be when it first came out. I mean, you hear It's Treasure Island... but they're in space! and you just go, yeeeeeesh. Wonder if that's why it did so terribly at the box office. I remember the bookstore I worked at being full of hopelessly optimistic spinoff stuff from this, nobody seemed to care at all.