What good films are there at the moment?

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And what's not so good?

Graham (graham), Monday, 26 August 2002 14:20 (twenty-three years ago)

a good film at the moment=all the president's men. in fact, that's a good film at any moment.

haha, you obviously meant NEW films. I don't know, sorry.

RJG (RJG), Monday, 26 August 2002 15:02 (twenty-three years ago)

my friend rae says the new almodovar = grebt

(ok she said in it in normal english, but that's what she *meant*)

(more helpful i know if i cd remembah the title but i can't)

mark s (mark s), Monday, 26 August 2002 15:19 (twenty-three years ago)

I quite liked the Guru, it passed the time and it wasn't boring.

jel -- (jel), Monday, 26 August 2002 15:28 (twenty-three years ago)

A glowing endorsement if ever i heard one.

Dave M. (rotten03), Monday, 26 August 2002 15:51 (twenty-three years ago)

I try my best.

jel -- (jel), Monday, 26 August 2002 16:01 (twenty-three years ago)

you might still be able to catch sex and lucia

also i saw donnie darko the other day and lobed it. dunno when it's coming out tho

bob zemko (bob), Monday, 26 August 2002 16:47 (twenty-three years ago)

i liked signs. if you can suspend your 'where's the twist' reflex for its 90 minutes it's quite enjoyable, and QUIET, which is always refreshing.

i saw it in a double feature with triple x. that movie was not quiet.

margarita happy hour got a lot of aging-hipster details just right.

maura (maura), Monday, 26 August 2002 16:57 (twenty-three years ago)

i enjoyed tadpole. it is slower and sadder and more unresolved then the ads show, a bit like truffout(sp)

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 26 August 2002 17:13 (twenty-three years ago)

also i saw donnie darko the other day and lobed it. dunno when it's coming out tho

*befuddled* But it came out last year.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 26 August 2002 17:54 (twenty-three years ago)

surely you mean last EAR.

RJG (RJG), Monday, 26 August 2002 17:55 (twenty-three years ago)

D'OH!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 26 August 2002 18:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Lovely and Amazing is good.

dan (dan), Monday, 26 August 2002 23:47 (twenty-three years ago)

signs was not good, that guy is turning into a one hit wonder because unbreakable was rotten as well.
it is like all the tension was squeezed into 5 minutes of the film, the rest was just meandering along without much of a pulse.

keith, Monday, 26 August 2002 23:51 (twenty-three years ago)

I heard Shallow Hal was 'actually not as bad as you'd think.' What does anyone else have to say about that?

maryann, Tuesday, 27 August 2002 05:55 (twenty-three years ago)

It depends on how bad you expected it to be.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 06:01 (twenty-three years ago)

hey manny, I want to know who said that.

rainy, Tuesday, 27 August 2002 06:08 (twenty-three years ago)

It was Emily, she's like a genius. So you know. I don't think she expected it to be all THAT bad, just kind of trashy. So if it's better than only having trash appeal - it fits her description. Rainy you rule the universe unconditionally!

maryann, Tuesday, 27 August 2002 06:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Shallow Hal ain't that bad. But then it takes a hell of alot for me to describe a film as bad.

jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 07:02 (twenty-three years ago)

jel, did you ever see Joe Dirt?

rainy, Tuesday, 27 August 2002 07:05 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't think I've ever seen that one! What's it about?

jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 07:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Good God! Joe Dirt was unbearably horrible. I was on an eight hour bus ride & stuck right in front of the tv. I tried to look away but was helpless to resist. It's about the life and times of a prototypical redneck as played by the demon spawn known as David Spade. Sample gag: a dog's testicles are frozen to the porch...hilarity ensues! How did this movie ever get made? It probably made like a million million dollars at the box office, too.

Miss Laura, Tuesday, 27 August 2002 07:22 (twenty-three years ago)

do NOT go and see 8 legged freaks, it is RUB.

katie (katie), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 07:23 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm gonna go and see Austin Powers 3 today. Is Joe Dirt worse than Basketball?

jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 07:28 (twenty-three years ago)

donnie darko hasn't come out in england yet, ned. I don't know if it will

bob zemko (bob), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 07:35 (twenty-three years ago)

(i'm keeping "lobed" btw)

bob zemko (bob), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 07:36 (twenty-three years ago)

'Vivre Sa Vie', just revived in a new print. You won't find a better film on in the UK.

Andrew L (Andrew L), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 07:43 (twenty-three years ago)

I saw the Guru the other night, it passed the time and it wasn't boring and there were some good dance sequences.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 07:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Reign Of Fire. Its got dragons in it - though a somewhat incoherent plot (and is actually about World War II).

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 08:44 (twenty-three years ago)

What's incoherent? Dragons take over the world. Humans fight dragons. Stuff happens. Power struggle etc. etc. blah blah blah the end. It is a great film and I would highly recommend it to anyone who likes muscular tattoed men speaking in throaty voices.

Emma, Tuesday, 27 August 2002 08:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Stuff happens


I fear this is where yr argument starts to flounder

RickyT (RickyT), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 09:01 (twenty-three years ago)

I didn't want to give it away for anyone who has not yet seen it. Anyway I managed to follow it without any effort whatsoever and I find most things incoherent.

Emma, Tuesday, 27 August 2002 09:07 (twenty-three years ago)

we saw bully the other night. although i am a BIIIIG larry clark fan i found it a wee bit mediocre. well just the part after the murder. there were four other people... two left after ten minutes. hahah

nathalie (nathalie), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 09:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Andrew may be right about the wonderful Vivre Sa Vie (if only for the cafe scene where they start dancing), but we are halfway through a titanic Kon Ichikawa season at the NFT, with An Actor's Revenge, one of my all-time favourites, still to come, and the samurai one he co-wrote with Kurosawa and only made in 2000, after Kurosawa died.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 15:41 (twenty-three years ago)

two weeks pass...
Is there nowhere in London showing the Mandy Moore film A Walk To Remember, or what else should I see whilst I'm here?

Graham (graham), Friday, 13 September 2002 14:57 (twenty-three years ago)

i guess these films will make it for me this year: demonlover by olivier assayas, loin by andre techine, tarantino´s new flick, but most of all: the fast runner.

michael zZzz, Tuesday, 17 September 2002 10:58 (twenty-three years ago)

These are the London listings for a walk to remember:

Listings 13 Sep to 19 Sep
Acton Park Royal Warner Village Progs 1.50pm, 4.20pm, 6.50pm, 9.10pm

Beckenham Odeon Progs 2.30pm, 5.00pm, 7.15pm, 9.15pm

Bexleyheath Cineworld Progs 11.00am, 1.15pm, 3.30pm, 5.45pm, 8.00pm

Dagenham Warner Village Progs 12.30pm (Sat/Sun), 3.00pm, 5.50pm, 8.20pm, 11.00pm (Fri/Sat)

Edmonton Lea Valley UCI 12 Progs 11.40am (Sat/Sun), 2.10pm, 4.40pm, 7.10pm, 9.40pm

Enfield UGC Progs 11.20am, 1.40pm, 4.00pm, 6.20pm, 8.40pm, 11.10pm (Fri/Sat)

Feltham Cineworld The Movies Progs 11.00am, 1.15pm, 3.30pm, 5.45pm, 8.00pm

Greenwich thefilmworks Progs 12.15pm (Sat/Sun), 2.45pm, 5.30pm, 8.15pm

Harrow Warner Village Progs 1.20pm, 3.50pm, 6.20pm, 8.50pm

Holloway Odeon Progs 2.05pm, 4.15pm, 6.30pm, 8.40pm

Ilford Cineworld Progs 11.00am, 1.15pm, 3.30pm, 5.45pm, 8.00pm

Mile End Genesis Cinema Progs 4.30pm, 6.45pm

Newham Showcase Progs 11.20am, 2.35pm, 5.30pm, 8.00pm, 10.20pm, 12.40am (Fri/Sat)

North Finchley Lido Warner Village Progs 1.30pm, 3.50pm, 6.10pm, 8.40pm

Odeon South Woodford Progs Fri/Sat 1.40pm, 4.10pm, 6.50pm, 9.30pm; Sun-Thu 12.55pm, 3.15pm, 5.45pm, 8.25pm

Purley Way Warner Village Progs 12.45pm (Sat/Sun), 3.30pm, 6.15pm, 9.10pm

Romford Ster Century Progs 10.50am (Sat/Sun), 1.20pm (Sat/Sun), 3.50pm, 6.20pm, 8.50pm

Shepherd's Bush Warner Village Progs 11.05am (Sat/Sun), 1.25pm (Fri-Sun), 3.50pm, 6.25pm, 8.45pm

Staples Corner UGC Progs 1.40pm (not Sat/Sun), 4.00pm, 6.20pm, 8.40pm

Streatham Odeon Progs 2.00pm, 4.20pm, 6.35pm, 8.55pm, 11.15pm (Fri/Sat)

Surrey Quays UCI Progs 2.45pm, 6.30pm, 9.10pm

UCI Whiteleys Progs 12.30pm (not Sat/Sun), 3.10pm, 6.10pm, 8.30pm

Uxbridge Odeon Progs 11.15am, 1.30pm, 3.45pm, 6.15pm, 9.00pm

Warner Village Islington Progs 1.40pm, 4.00pm, 6.40pm, 9.00pm, 11.40pm (Fri/Sat)

Warner Village West End Progs 12.30pm, 3.00pm, 5.45pm, 8.30pm, 11.05pm (Fri/Sat)

Wood Green Cineworld Progs 1.10pm, 3.25pm, 5.40pm, 8.00p

jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 11:05 (twenty-three years ago)

so, your best bet is probably warner village west end.

jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 11:07 (twenty-three years ago)

best place to check london film times = http://www.thisislondon.co.uk

jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 11:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, but I'm not going to be in London again this week. Nowhere in walking distance had it, wish is so so rubbish. Northampton and oxford did.

Graham (graham), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 11:29 (twenty-three years ago)

opps sorry, didn't notice you posted that on the 13th. oh well!

jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 11:30 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm told Y Tu Mama Tambien is really good, but, er, I haven't actually seen it. Lots of good reports, though, if that means anything.

OCP (OCP), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 02:02 (twenty-three years ago)

I've just seen A Walk To Remember, and I was so moved by it. I didn't cry, but gosh touched my stony little heart. I love you Mandy. Why did you have to ***SPOILER***?

I saw the Guru. Jel is such the expert movie reviewer.

P.S. Rollins is the greatest middle name ever.

Graham (graham), Monday, 23 September 2002 16:40 (twenty-three years ago)

I saw "my big fat greek wedding" yesterday. It was quite good, no surprises, you could take your mum to watch it.

jel -- (jel), Monday, 23 September 2002 16:53 (twenty-three years ago)

the best film i've seen recently is sur mes levres. i wanted to see merci pour le chocolat but i think its run in theaters around here has ended. this is what usually happens.

youn, Monday, 23 September 2002 19:36 (twenty-three years ago)

signs: micro invasion flick kinda like invasion of the body snatchers crossed with an episode of errie indiana.

jel -- (jel), Monday, 23 September 2002 20:49 (twenty-three years ago)

I really enjoyed THE GURU mainly because of Marisa Tomei - what a BABE!

Lek Dukagjin, Monday, 23 September 2002 20:50 (twenty-three years ago)

true!

jel -- (jel), Monday, 23 September 2002 21:02 (twenty-three years ago)

One Hour Photo was pretty decent. Robin Williams is a scary little fucker in it.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 24 September 2002 12:53 (twenty-three years ago)

I just got let out of Shakti - The Power. One of the most amazing and disturbing, and well, long films I've ever seen. I had idea it was 3 1/2 hours long until they had an interval cor blimey. I was going to see something else after but I guess it's saved me a whole 3 quid.

Graham (graham), Tuesday, 24 September 2002 18:18 (twenty-three years ago)

today I saw "How to lose a man in 10 days", Kate Hudson = rowr!

jel -- (jel), Sunday, 13 April 2003 17:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Nightcrawler was rather more mitteleuropean than Scottish, as I recall. And he never struck me as very camp, whih Alan Cumming always does. And he has the wrong number of toes and fingers! And he's not blue, etc.!

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 13 April 2003 17:16 (twenty-three years ago)

A tad ashamed to say I saw Johnny English today and found it, well, rather funny. Just wish Hugh Laurie had been Bough to reprise a bit of the old Black A. But no. Stupid, stupid, stupid, but there could just be 1.5 hours of Rowan A. and I'd laugh. Or rather, laff, since it was a laff riot.

Skottie, Sunday, 13 April 2003 17:45 (twenty-three years ago)

"Secretary." See it now. It's awesome. It's like this totally perverse love story comedy. James Spader is weirdly sexy (never thought I'd say it) and Maggie Gyll--whatever-her-name-is is hawt enough to make me feel all lezzie inside.

jewelly (jewelly), Sunday, 13 April 2003 17:54 (twenty-three years ago)

I watched it last night. I identified with Lee a lot.

Leee (Leee), Sunday, 13 April 2003 18:23 (twenty-three years ago)

I didn't identify with the S & M angle necessarily ... but for me it was the idea of finding someone whose kinks match your kinks. The way the movie shows how these two people fit each other in the most intimately personal and healing ways ... I related to that...

jewelly (jewelly), Sunday, 13 April 2003 18:29 (twenty-three years ago)

I liked "All the Real Girls." Although some parts are so sweetly romantic, they are brutal if you're single.

bnw (bnw), Sunday, 13 April 2003 18:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Intacto was pretty good if you like all that luck nonsense.

Cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 13 April 2003 18:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, actually, I thought Intacto was really good but I've been underwhelmed by any film that isn't Ginger Snaps recently, which you should all run, not walk, and see.

I am in love with Emily Perkins.

Cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 13 April 2003 18:41 (twenty-three years ago)

but I saw Ginger Snaps 2 years ago. I think there is a thread on it! Interesting piece of useless trivia: there is a camera/developers in Acton called Ginger Snaps.

jel -- (jel), Sunday, 13 April 2003 19:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Did you like it jel? It was on the Sci-fi channel over the weekend and I thought it was brilliant.

There's a Ginger Snaps 2 just out in Amerikey, too.

Cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 13 April 2003 19:24 (twenty-three years ago)

X-MEN 2 IS COMING OUT IN 2 WEEKS PEOPLE! NO ONE ALERTED ME!

How is it that I, who barely see films in the theater, was well aware of this and you were not?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 13 April 2003 19:48 (twenty-three years ago)

I didn't see the second Harry Potter at the cinema, so I'm getting the vid tomorrow. People say it's good, anyway.

X-Men was cool, so I'm looking forward to the sequel.

ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Sunday, 13 April 2003 19:49 (twenty-three years ago)

I liked "All the Real Girls." Although some parts are so sweetly romantic, they are brutal if you're single.
-- bnw (rilke...), April 13th, 2003.


I saw this a month or so ago at the Berlin Film Festival and it was, uh, really great. I agree totally with bnw, it's a bit sweet sometimes, but sweet like too much sugar, not saccarine. The bits with his mother were excellent. Dancing around in the clown suit, soooo embarrassing, very honest. It didn't always work perfectly, but it just seemed real.

SKottie, Sunday, 13 April 2003 19:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Somebody say something about The Phone Booth

Millar (Millar), Sunday, 13 April 2003 19:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Brian Singer has no biz directing an action flick.

Leee (Leee), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Millar: the Phone Booth

I will put up with no limit of rubbishness if a film has any sort of sniper subtext. Examples? Err. Leon: come on, it's rubbish, it is rubbish - I loved it, that scene where they pop the important jogger in the park! And, well, I can't remember but I fully expect to thole that guy from Coronation St (Colin Farrell) to watch some more of that sniper shit.

(Hey Millar, how d'you become a sniper? Like one of those guys with a PSG-1? Just play lots of online Delta Force or somethin'? I have my own ghillie suit. And sand bag.)

Cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Ghillie suit made out of overalls and shredded burlap, mind.

Just place the bag of sand under the muzzle as you set up, then give a little squeeze just before you shoot, it just places the sweet spot, nice.

Though make sure you don't fill the bag with sand from the quarry where you practice snipe because David Caruso will track you down using that when you Start the Fury in downtown Miami. Or, say, if you unleash on the strip in Vegas - Grissom will hunt you down.

Err.

Cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:55 (twenty-three years ago)

I read a bit the other day somewhere that referred to "Alan 'X-Men' Cumming".

OH MY GOD...I had no idea he was in it! Also, I will forever refer to him as "Alan 'X-Men' Cumming" from hereforth.

Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Hypercube has made it's way to the US.
i missed it when it appeared on TV, but I'm sure I'll rent it. (I want to see it without commericals anyway)

A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Spider wasn't as good as I hoped it'd be. Probably my least favorite Cronenberg.
Hey I just saw Femme Fatale and it's pretty good! Might not be the best thing ever, but it was totally underrated by most critics, if I'm remembering correctly.
The preview for Intacto makes it look like horrible shit. Like series 7 was. UUUUgh. Movies full of drama people that don't know how to behave on film, C/D?

Dan I., Monday, 14 April 2003 00:50 (twenty-three years ago)

I loved Femme Fatale.

slutsky (slutsky), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:52 (twenty-three years ago)

But Series 7 had the awesome home made goth video for "love will tear us apart" and they tore a banner that said love. How could a movie with that be anything but classic?

A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:57 (twenty-three years ago)

I just watched 'Secretary' and it was quite good I thought. I want an office like Mr. Grey's. I suspect I would like to have a secretary like that too but let's not delve.

Millar (Millar), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:59 (twenty-three years ago)

I thought it was pretty good too. It has rekindled the Spader crush, I thought I had finally shaken it.

Nicole (Nicole), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:06 (twenty-three years ago)

You and Stripey need to compare notes on Mr. Spader if you haven't already.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:15 (twenty-three years ago)

AND Series 7 had a GVSB soundtrack that utterly ruled. Classick.

j.lu (j.lu), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:35 (twenty-three years ago)

How did Spider compare to eXistenZ?

A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:20 (twenty-three years ago)

I still gotta see Spider myself. I'm an eXistenZ lovah personally--don't know about you folks.

slutsky (slutsky), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:22 (twenty-three years ago)

I just saw "Baise Moi" and I'm not sure if it was the best or worst film I've ever seen.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 01:05 (twenty-three years ago)

two months pass...
I'm planning to go to see Secretary at the UGC in the Trocadero on Thursday evening - probably the 6.30 showing, but I'll update when I know. I'm going with one old pal, but I thought I'd mention it and see if anyone else fancies it. I might start doing this kind of thing regularly.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 18:54 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.savonarolamustburn.com/Movie%20List.htm

Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 24 June 2003 19:42 (twenty-two years ago)

two months pass...
I'm planning to rent a film tonight, and have one in mind, which I was recommended once, but I can't remember the title. It's about, I think, a man who's childhood friend gets back in touch and follows him around, or something like that. Does it have a bloke's name in the title, like Jack, Jake -- I don't recall. Anyone know?

Druid, Saturday, 13 September 2003 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Chuck and Buck -- That's it.

Druid, Saturday, 13 September 2003 15:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I really want to see Lost in Translation.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 13 September 2003 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Spirited Away is out, I will see that.

jel -- (jel), Saturday, 13 September 2003 15:52 (twenty-two years ago)

As well you should, good Jel.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 13 September 2003 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I was going to say "With a Friend Like Harry"...

Pete Scholtes, Saturday, 13 September 2003 16:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Spirited Away is on at Notting Hill Gate cinema - maybe a West London FAP to incorporate this jel?

stevem (blueski), Saturday, 13 September 2003 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)

It's on at the Renoir too, I think. I want to see it too. A FAF might be appropriate.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 13 September 2003 19:02 (twenty-two years ago)

i want to see the werewolves vs vampires movie THIS INSTANT even though it's bound to be awful

jones (actual), Saturday, 13 September 2003 19:06 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.artificial-eye.com/cinemas.htm

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 13 September 2003 19:09 (twenty-two years ago)

£8.50 Pullman Seats!

(what are those??)

jones (actual), Saturday, 13 September 2003 19:12 (twenty-two years ago)

not sure bcz I've never been to either but I plan to see a movie at one of these theatres this week.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 13 September 2003 19:18 (twenty-two years ago)

jones I'm working on the underworld thing

s1utsky (slutsky), Saturday, 13 September 2003 19:28 (twenty-two years ago)

yo

jones (actual), Saturday, 13 September 2003 19:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I am going to see Lost In Translation tomorrow.

Carey (Carey), Saturday, 13 September 2003 19:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Americans - talk about Spellbound.

David. (Cozen), Saturday, 13 September 2003 21:50 (twenty-two years ago)

"I really want to see Lost in Translation."

Saw it last night. Plan on seeing it again before it leaves theatres. There was a sneak preview in L.A. with Ms. Coppola in attendance a while back, but they were pretty sneaky about it so I missed out :(

It was more or less everything I was expecting. I was hoping for more "new" Kevin Shields material (I think there was one song over the credits, and then some incidental instrumental stuff), but the use of songs from Loveless actually worked well with the tenderness, alienation, absurdity, and melancholy of the film.

Check out http://www.laweekly.com for a review of the movie, along with interviews with the stars and the director. It had a similar pace and attention to the detail of the setting/atmosphere, but beyond this, it succeeds for different reasons than The Virgin Suicides.

I think it will have a wide appeal despite its subtlety, as there is quite a bit of humor throughout; though the ambiguity of the ending may infuriate those wanting a Hollywood romantic resolution.

Along with Dirty Pretty Things, Northfork, and 28 Days, this is one of the few movies I really have enjoyed so far this year.

Ryan McKay (Ryan McKay), Sunday, 14 September 2003 02:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm hoping to see a movie tomorrow, but we'll see; the girlfriend has a lot of homework. We're hoping to see Once Upon a Time in Mexico or Cabin Fever.

Until then, I've been watching Head over and over and over and over again.

Tep (ktepi), Sunday, 14 September 2003 02:48 (twenty-two years ago)


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