A thread for discussing the good and the bad in this often troubled Eastern African peninsula region that includes Somalia, Ethiopia, Eritrea,and Djibouti.
the bad:Somalis Waste Away as Insurgents Block Escape From Famine The Shabab Islamist insurgent group is setting up a camp where it is imprisoning displaced and starving Somalis who were trying to escape Shabab territory.
From an August 2, 2011 NY Times article. I do not profess to know much about the long, sad history of this region or the good things- the culture, etc. But feel free to discuss here.
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 14:03 (fourteen years ago)
The change from herding to farming combined with climate change and political chaos and terrorists and poverty and the role of "the West" in Somalia.
Discuss-
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 14:05 (fourteen years ago)
One thing about that region is that it is not all the same - the uplands of Ethiopia don't really have much in common with Somalia, Somaliland, or the Somali bit of Ethiopia. But I think Eritrea is culturally at least somewhat like core Ethiopia, for all the respective governments hate each other.
Put another way, the change from herding to farming is a thing for the ethnic Somali bits of the Horn of Africa... upland Ethiopia has been practicing settled farming for longer than your or my country.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 14:28 (fourteen years ago)
You started this nice other thread previously
Visiting Ethiopia
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 14:38 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.afrikansarvi.fi/component/content/article/15-issue1/artikkeli/41
A piece discussing the change from pastoralism in Somalia. There was also a recent NY Times article on it.
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 14:42 (fourteen years ago)
Are we heading toward a military operation against Somali pirates?
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 14:45 (fourteen years ago)
I'm curious as to the extent to which the Horn's problems arise from climate change.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 16:48 (fourteen years ago)
I wonder if it weren't for the Clinton-era US deaths, whether neo-cons and others might be pushing a military action against the Shabab (or maybe not, starving Somalians may not rate that highly)
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 15:44 (fourteen years ago)
Hasn't there been proxy intervention against the Shabab (and possibly other Islamists) in Somalia? I got the impression that the Ethiopian intervention was green-lighted by the USA as someone else fighting the War On Terror for them. And isn't there some kind of African Union force in Somalia that is basically serving as muscle for the completely ineffectual Transitional Government?
But I reckon that even without all the Black Hawk Down stuff there would not have been that much interest in direct US intervention in Somalia now... it has begun to sink in to even the most ardent interventionist that the USA does not have the resources to intervene everywhere simultanaeously.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 16:10 (fourteen years ago)
I think currently there are less than 10,000 AU troops in Somalia, mostly Ugandan and Burundian.
― timellison, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 16:24 (fourteen years ago)
Good update on the crisis:
http://www.unhcr.org/4e296f4f9.html
― timellison, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 17:16 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.voanews.com/english/news/africa/Has-Somalias-Famine-Weakened-al-Shabab-126341368.html
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 18:09 (fourteen years ago)
more reading:
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/08/support-for-farmers-in-africa-dried-up-long-before-somalias-famine/242960/
― curmudgeon, Friday, 5 August 2011 14:28 (thirteen years ago)
disturbing news if true: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/9556288.stm
the allegations are that the current Ethiopian government is basically repeating the mistakes of the Derg regime - using famine as a weapon against political opponents and engaging in a reign of terror against ethnic malcontents.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Friday, 5 August 2011 15:01 (thirteen years ago)
this is such horrible shit
― Dark Noises from the Eurozone (Tracer Hand), Friday, 5 August 2011 15:03 (thirteen years ago)
Ethiopia and Eritrea are apparently reestablishing diplomatic ties in what should probably be a pretty big story? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ethiopia-eritrea/eritreas-president-to-visit-ethiopia-eritrean-minister-says-idUSKBN1K30NE
Anyone has any good articles on Abiy Ahmed?
― Frederik B, Friday, 13 July 2018 19:00 (seven years ago)
So far I thought this was really good: https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/07/12/ethiopia-and-eritrea-have-a-common-enemy-abiy-ahmed-isaias-afwerki-badme-peace-tplf-eprdf/
― Frederik B, Friday, 13 July 2018 19:19 (seven years ago)