http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/8097/72atakx5.jpg
― diouf est le papa du foot galsen merde lè haters (nakhchivan), Friday, 16 September 2011 20:28 (fourteen years ago)
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/3345/29ekimresimleri.jpg
― diouf est le papa du foot galsen merde lè haters (nakhchivan), Friday, 16 September 2011 20:29 (fourteen years ago)
http://i.imgur.com/rZFDk.jpg
― diouf est le papa du foot galsen merde lè haters (nakhchivan), Friday, 16 September 2011 20:30 (fourteen years ago)
http://i.imgur.com/vbcl1.jpg
― diouf est le papa du foot galsen merde lè haters (nakhchivan), Friday, 16 September 2011 20:32 (fourteen years ago)
http://i.imgur.com/KaRoc.jpg
― diouf est le papa du foot galsen merde lè haters (nakhchivan), Friday, 16 September 2011 20:35 (fourteen years ago)
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/6079/182nl1.jpg
― diouf est le papa du foot galsen merde lè haters (nakhchivan), Friday, 16 September 2011 20:38 (fourteen years ago)
http://i.imgur.com/uWQ0c.jpg
― diouf est le papa du foot galsen merde lè haters (nakhchivan), Friday, 16 September 2011 20:40 (fourteen years ago)
http://karsidevrim.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/ataturk-ve-ismet-inonu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/WU64J.jpg
― diouf est le papa du foot galsen merde lè haters (nakhchivan), Friday, 16 September 2011 20:41 (fourteen years ago)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Ataturk4.JPG/444px-Ataturk4.JPG
― diouf est le papa du foot galsen merde lè haters (nakhchivan), Friday, 16 September 2011 20:44 (fourteen years ago)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/Ataturk-1930-daughter.jpg
― diouf est le papa du foot galsen merde lè haters (nakhchivan), Friday, 16 September 2011 20:46 (fourteen years ago)
http://i.imgur.com/uC3mm.jpg
― diouf est le papa du foot galsen merde lè haters (nakhchivan), Friday, 16 September 2011 20:47 (fourteen years ago)
in my eighth grade history class, mr aiello called on me to answer the question 'who took constantinople in 1453?' and i answered 'the ottoman . . . arabs?'
he bellowed 'THE TURKS!' and punched the blackboard.
that's effective teaching, i guess, since i remember after 25 years
― mookieproof, Friday, 16 September 2011 21:08 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.canakkaleguide.com/picture/ataturk.jpg
― soul ma cosa nostra (Eisbaer), Friday, 16 September 2011 23:22 (fourteen years ago)
http://bluepoint.gen.tr/ataturk/ataturk.jpg
http://m.friendfeed-media.com/241fd984aed9d9085ed4eabe70e3abbb90a09d29
― soul ma cosa nostra (Eisbaer), Friday, 16 September 2011 23:25 (fourteen years ago)
sexy daddy turk!
http://salaamalaykum.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/ataturk.jpg?w=498&h=493
― soul ma cosa nostra (Eisbaer), Friday, 16 September 2011 23:27 (fourteen years ago)
striking a bela lugosi pose:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/11/13/world/13ataturk02-190.jpg
― soul ma cosa nostra (Eisbaer), Friday, 16 September 2011 23:29 (fourteen years ago)
seriously, this dude fascinates me in the same way that Jozef Pilsudki and Charles de Gaulle fascinate me ... these three chaps are the closest thing the 20th century had to enlightened despots.
― soul ma cosa nostra (Eisbaer), Friday, 16 September 2011 23:31 (fourteen years ago)
ha! yes he was totally fascinating, and influential within his own nation to a very unusual degree
― diouf est le papa du foot galsen merde lè haters (nakhchivan), Saturday, 17 September 2011 00:48 (fourteen years ago)
not so en vogue nowadays though, this isn't your grandad's secular turkey!
― you've got male (jim in glasgow), Saturday, 17 September 2011 00:52 (fourteen years ago)
the restoration continues apace
― diouf est le papa du foot galsen merde lè haters (nakhchivan), Saturday, 17 September 2011 01:05 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.turkeyforyou.com/pictures/categoryPictures/ataturk.jpg
for some reason, i have always found this pic amazing. dude actually went to zillions of podunk Turkish villages teaching the people the new Latinized Turkish alphabet.
― soul ma cosa nostra (Eisbaer), Saturday, 17 September 2011 01:21 (fourteen years ago)
ned raggett ataïlx
― mookieproof, Saturday, 17 September 2011 01:26 (fourteen years ago)
might be apocryphal but apparently he very shrewdly discouraged the veiling of women not by making it illegal, but instead by making veils compulsory for prostitutes.
― rent, Saturday, 17 September 2011 02:23 (fourteen years ago)
he also wore a wide array of very spiritual hats
― some lady (La Lechera), Saturday, 17 September 2011 02:31 (fourteen years ago)
more like shatajürk
― buzza, Saturday, 17 September 2011 02:32 (fourteen years ago)
We live in an age of historical revisionism. In England, young historiansare busy chipping away at Winston Churchill, trying to topplehim from his pedestal and expose him as a man of many weaknessesand errors. Surely there must be some part of truth in this—Churchill was aman and not a god, and like other men he had his weaknesses and made hismistakes. But for the men and women of my generation, who fought and wona great war under Churchill’s leadership, saving their country and, incidentally,the world from the most odious tyranny known to human history, nothing canbelie his achievement or diminish the respect—or should I say reverence—inwhich we held him and still hold him.
Similar re-examinations of past assumptions and past heroes are in progressin many other countries. But not in all. Such a re-examination presupposes boththe development of a critical faculty and the freedom to exercise it. For betteror worse—and I am convinced that it is for better—Turkey is such a country,and Turks must confront the dangers and responsibilities as well as the pleasuresand opportunities of freedom.
The re-examination of the past—including the achievement of the heroes ofthe past—is a right, indeed a duty of the historian, as the discovery of newevidence and documents and the development of new techniques of inquiry makesuch a re-examination necessary and possible. And if sometimes the reexaminationtakes the form of politically or ideologically motivated denigration,this too must be accepted as part of the functioning of a free society.But after all the re-examinations and all the reassessments, even the mosthostile, the achievement of Atatürk remains—perhaps reinterpreted, but surelynot diminished. What is that achievement? Obviously the answer to this questionmust come primarily, though not exclusively, from Turks. But sometimesthe perspective of an outsider may be helpful.
Atatürk’s first achievement, which made all the others possible, was militaryand political. Of the three major powers defeated in 1918, Turkey alone wasable to reject the peace imposed by the conquering allies and to negotiate freelyand on equal terms a peace securing its basic national objectives. At a time whenalmost all of the Islamic world was falling under the dominance of the imperialpowers of Europe, Turkey was one of the very few that managed not just topreserve, but to reinforce its sovereign independence. By these two successesalone, the new republican regime was able to infuse in a defeated and dispiritedpeople a new sense of pride—of self-respect concerning the past and selfconfidencefor the future.
On Sunday Turks observed the 58th anniversary of Atatürk’s death. His truegreatness, his lasting achievement, may be found not in his political and militaryvictories, but in the use that he made of them. It was not easy to create a freenation-state from the ruins of an empire, and to do so surrounded by suspiciousformer enemies and resentful former subjects. It was no mean diplomatic achievementto establish peaceful and even friendly relations with both.
It would take too long to enumerate the many significant changes inauguratedby Atatürk and his generation. Let me just mention one of the mostimportant—the revitalization of Turkish society by the fostering andencouragement of new elements. One of these was women. Already in the 1920sAtatürk spoke on more than one occasion of the impossibility of keeping upwith the modern world if a country deprives itself of the talents and services ofhalf its people. The emancipation of women—central to the whole process ofmodernization—made immense advances in his time and under his successors.Another was the emergence of new social groups—professional, technical andcommercial—that were creative, independent and self-reliant. These were indispensablecomponents of the new civil society, the ultimate basis on whichTurkish democracy must rest.
Probably the most debated of his policies at the present day is that which issometimes called Westernization, not easily distinguished from modernization.In a sense, his victories and those of his successors were a paradox—the firstdecisive victory in defiance of Western power, the first decisive steps in theacceptance of Western civilization. There is an old American saying: “If you can’tbeat them, join them.” Atatürk did both.
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Monday, 7 October 2013 22:24 (twelve years ago)
Bernard Lewis, Revisiting the Paradox of Modern Turkey. The Wall Street Journal, November12, 1996
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Monday, 7 October 2013 22:25 (twelve years ago)
i feel like it's never really been much of a secret that churchill was -- along with being a courageous anti-fascist -- kind of a racist warmonger; he was criticized for that even at the time.
ataturk might be my favorite 20th century leader, one of the most fascinating ppl in history imo.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 7 October 2013 22:37 (twelve years ago)
opened a biography at random once and came on "then Ataturk fell into a deep depression and lay around the house doing nothing for three days." love it.
― eris bueller (lukas), Monday, 7 October 2013 23:11 (twelve years ago)
http://i.imgur.com/3tAQpsk.jpg
― Joyeux animaux de la misère (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 15:30 (eleven years ago)
Kemal Ataturk 'ad an 'addock!
― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 15:57 (eleven years ago)
seriously, this dude fascinates me
Same here. Great thread.
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 16:08 (eleven years ago)
any recommended biographies? on-off been meaning to read one for a while & thread is the prompt I need.
― Fizzles, Thursday, 27 February 2014 09:16 (eleven years ago)
Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan threatened to shut down Twitter and other social media platforms on Thursday and said he did not care about the international response, his latest outburst in an increasingly bitter election campaign.
Anger, threats and conspiracy theories have marked the run-up to the March 30 local elections, with Erdogan battling a corruption scandal he says is orchestrated by his enemies, much of it waged via leaks on Twitter and YouTube.
"Twitter, mwitter!," Erdogan told thousands of supporters at a rally in the northwestern province of Bursa, in a phrase translating roughly as "Twitter, schmitter!".
"We will wipe out all of these," he said.
― nakhchivan, Friday, 21 March 2014 01:42 (eleven years ago)
Schmitter sounds like the name of a Nazi general.
― james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Friday, 21 March 2014 01:45 (eleven years ago)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjPowo4CQAAF1PZ.jpg
― ogmor, Saturday, 22 March 2014 20:55 (eleven years ago)
http://www.balkaneu.com/erdogans-palace-close-completion/
― no love deb weep (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 00:30 (ten years ago)
erdogan is no atatürk
― Aimless, Tuesday, 17 February 2015 00:32 (ten years ago)
there is narcissism and there is also the imperative to show deference and continuity with the father of the nation while his work is being unravelled
― no love deb weep (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 00:36 (ten years ago)
something I learnt about on wikipedia today - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_name_changes_in_Turkey
― ogmor, Tuesday, 17 February 2015 00:40 (ten years ago)
https://instagram.com/rterdogan/
― pom /via/ chi (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 01:59 (ten years ago)
Atatürk's successor, İsmet İnönü:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fe/Inonu_Ismet.jpg
― 뉴 메탈은 나머지 모든 보지 똥, 거기입니다 최고의 음악이다 (Eisbaer), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 19:35 (ten years ago)