reverse sexism

one place i work at, theres a guy who also works there, everyone else there is female, including the boss. hes not the most junior member of staff, but he ends up doing all the cleaning duties, tea/coffee making and all the stuff you would expect an intern or newest person to do (even then it would be shitty). its almost comical, the boss will ask him directly to make coffee for her/everyone. and honestly, i think its cos hes the only guy there. i mean, im there too but im not employed by them, i just share the space, so i dont have to do any of that stuff he does. i think hes pissed off about it and tired of the place in general but i wonder if he thinks of it as sexism. i think it is. anyone experienced anything like this?

could also add that this might be the same in lots of arts fields/offices - i remember going for interviews before, and whether it was film, publishing (but ESPECIALLY publishing), or magazines, it seemed like the ratio of women to men was pretty high, compared to a lot of other industries. women def seem to dominate the arts.

I couldn't work somewhere with so many BLOODY WOMEN in it. Just imagine...

I've worked in offices where I'm the only guy before. Charity sector.

There's more men where I'm working now but women probably still predominate. IME women tend to get treated worse by female bosses than male employees do.

Is it reverse sexism or is it just sexism?

imo there is no such thing as "reverse" sexism, or "reverse" racism. It only goes one way, from the top down. What you are describing is maybe better termed as discrimination.

well in this office, the women seem to get treated just fine. well by just fine, i mean as crappily as everyone else really. not that people are being treated like dirt, but but that boss is pretty fearsome, and when shes around, staff convo is near non existent. im not used to it.

yes its just sexism. but i put the reverse in there cos, yknow, its still a bit different, and something you dont hear about often.

"I couldn't work somewhere with so many BLOODY WOMEN in it. Just imagine..."

HAHA

its like that big brother series with that guy ziggy - he thought he was in for a treat with all those women and him the only man. little did he know....

i actually used to think working with all women would be great. but i think its only great if youre the only man and youre the boss.

Oh man this thread has promise. Who's going to take care of the clusterfuck thread capsule summary?

i dress as a woman to avoid this

yes its just sexism. but i put the reverse in there cos, yknow, its still a bit different, and something you dont hear about often.

I think the point sleeve was making was that the kind of sex discrimination you are talking about should not be called sexism. full stop. that word being reserved for men discriminating against women. I think that's what he meant anyway.

xxp

http://www.latinoreview.com/images/stories/550w_movies_horrible_bosses_aniston.jpg

This thread will end well.

i didnt read sleeves post, was responding to the previous point. but sure, i can agree with that.

who tips during work meals out?

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batsignal

Oh man this thread has promise. Who's going to take care of the clusterfuck thread capsule summary?

I want the record to reflect that underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned did not take the bait on this one

Wasn't trying to bait anyone, just basically trying to say the same thing Alfred did.

hey let's talk about the guy who's suing UCL because he feels his gender studies course was corrupted by endemic anti-male sexism!!

waht

imo there is no such thing as "reverse" sexism, or "reverse" racism. It only goes one way, from the top down. What you are describing is maybe better termed as discrimination.

i don't think this is true - people can be sexist towards men, as they can towards women. there also is not one single "top down" - while in our culture as a whole there's a tendency for women to be the ones who bear the brunt of sexism, this isn't the case in every situation. i guess you could say that titch's example more suits the idea of "reverse sexism" because this features a man being made to do stuff that's long been considered "women's work" e.g. making the tea, doing the cleaning, so you might assume that at least someone in the office gets a kick out of that role reversal.

i am glad i am leaving the house now and won't have to see what happens to this thread, whether clusterfuck or no.

i'm sorry neighbour, mookieproof gave teh loud lols

sad day for the internet when a person cant make a legit post without people saying they are baiting.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/sep/14/gender-studies-male-blaming-bias

batsignal

― mookieproof, Monday, 19 September 2011 16:46 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

ROFL!

guys you know we don't ~have~ to make this a clusterfuck

new board description

"to have a good time.. Oh no.."

xpost.

lol Mark

Patriarchy theory – the idea that men typically "dominate" women – is omnipresent, when research shows women tend to boss men interpersonally. Texts highlight misogyny but never misandry, its anti-male equivalent – despite research finding that women verbalise four times more misandry than men do misogyny. And the core texts highlight violence against women only, despite decades of research showing that women are more likely to initiate domestic violence.

I wish I had time to follow the links he included but in lieu allow me to say this: "lol"

"guys you know we don't ~have~ to make this a clusterfuck"

thank you.

omg his link is a Youtube video *dies happy*

"hey let's talk about the guy who's suing UCL because he feels his gender studies course was corrupted by endemic anti-male sexism!!"

reminded of the character in the corrections who teaches feminism and womens theory then feels better when he goes to see some prostitutes as the pressure and burden of his classes can finally be released

dying at mookieproof's post

and honestly, i think its cos hes the only guy there.

I like how this is the assumption. Could be coincidental or some other dynamic in play since, you know, you don't actually work there?

MH you buffoon it is a vast XX chromosome conspiracy

Maybe this guy just really likes making tea.

maybe he is nearest the tea

i used to make the tea more often than anyone else, in an office full of women, but i think this is because i drink like thirty cups of tea a day

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Maybe he is a "teabagger"

msixes

"misandry"

i guess you could say that titch's example more suits the idea of "reverse sexism" because this features a man being made to do stuff that's long been considered "women's work" e.g. making the tea, doing the cleaning, so you might assume that at least someone in the office gets a kick out of that role reversal.

this sounds reasonable to me, though i think it's less to do with the actual work and more to do with being singled out to do it that's making it appear to be sexist---i think if the boss was having the guy change all the lightbulbs or fix the plumbing or chop wood in the conference room it'd basically scan the same. but, yeah, could be just that the boss is a bully and picks on this guy for reasons that have nothing to do with his gender, who knows

anyway, "reverse sexism" as a thing seems to happen so infrequently that it doesn't seem like it's worth worrying about? esp since men enjoy so much structural privilege (or w/e)? i mean the only example (barely) i've encountered was when i was living in aspen---it was vogue fashion week, and a guy i worked with somehow got in to some private party. he was a tan, handsome ski bro in a room full of powerful middle-aged women and he said he felt like a piece of meat, ladies were straight ogling. i think it was educational for him.

i'm more interested ("interested") in the ooky internet popularity of men's-lib: reddit is a hotbed for this, and there's always stories popping up about jilted ex girlfriends using rape accusations to get back at their boyfriends, and other bullshit. hella creepy, but totally unsurprising i guess (lol dudes on the internet)

this dude needs to man up imo

ooohhh i get it its ironic bcuz hes the office 'bitch'

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23983895-former-student-sues-lse-over-its-gender-bias-against-men.do

anyway, "reverse sexism" as a thing seems to happen so infrequently that it doesn't seem like it's worth worrying about? esp since men enjoy so much structural privilege (or w/e)?

yeah mainly this. i don't think that this would steamroll the validity of situations in which a guy was mad about being apportioned tasks, unfairly, on account of his gender (i can't really think of this scenario but i guess it exists), but the fact that it seems remarkable that the arts might be predominantly populated by women* implicitly speaks to the extent that generally you expect it to be the other way around, that all other fields are, uncontroversially, the other way, etc etc etc. i think with any of these judgments you also have to interrogate what someone's role/level/status actually entails; in my previous tea-making role at an arts organisation, i did a lot of setting up conference rooms & making tea & painting walls, all while i should have been researching!, but they were things that it was easier for me to do, rather than someone comparatively junior, just because of the nature of my role; the actual administrator was involved in bills & phonecalls & spreadsheets that weren't so easy to dip in and out of, so the 'hierarchy' wasn't actually the determining factor so much as the nuances of mobility and nature of work, etc, and i think it's kinda like that in a lot of small offices.

* even this - our director was female but this wasn't a high-status thing liberated from gender politics, & in which you'd still have to contend with the typical kinda boys club nature of boards & advisors & ability to speak freely in meetings &c&c&c

anyway go make the tea you get tea & you get to just lean on the counter in the kitchen for two minutes and zone out & be enthralled by milkbombing someone's tea

Looking only at the OP and its anecdotal description, I'd say that it sure looks like some kind of sexism to me. This falls under the general heading of Power Corrupts. It isn't surprising to me that the corruption can take this particular form.

In real life I sometimes hear women say snarky and demeaning things about men, as if they thought this somehow raised them to a higher level, but these are seldom women I would want to spend any length of time with.

But mixed with water in ready to drink form not the concentrated stuff straight out of the bottle if that makes sense.

Lemonade here is a drink made from lemon, regular water and sugar or sweetener.

best when made by a lemonade stand at the state fair and consumed asap

Mixing fizzy + non-fizzy is weird

but... gin and tonic?

― civilisation and its discotheques (c sharp major), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 16:28 (6 minutes ago) Bookmark

Different if it's a shot + Mixer of course.

Mixed drinks w/liquor and just blending beer with another substance are two totally different games, imo

beer + lemonade is a great summer drink

there are a lot of good beer cockatils fwiw

but

why are we not discussing reverse sexism

Reverse sexism is actually a non-alcoholic cocktail involving Dr Pepper and passion fruit.

That sounds alright actually!

because ilx is lefty

brandy + heineken ftw

imo malt beverages as sold in north america are a cynical ploy to sell beer to women, and their adoption by young men is a conspiracy to feminize men

smirnoff ice? why don't you just let the woman wear the pants

anyone have the recipe for reverse sex on the beach

This is the only Google result for 'Racist Calamacho'

ha

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_lemonade

I was thinking about pink lemonade recently. Why does it exist and how does it differ from reg lemonade? Is it just food coloring?

(xp) Coming from the West of Scotland I'm surprised I've never heard of that, but I suppose we had enough liquid toothrot of our own without importing the stuff

pink lemonade was created specifically so that women would have their own lemonade, but it's actually better than regular lemonade. classic example of reverse sexism.

Yeah, I've tried the brown lemonade in Norn Iron.

well, so they told you

so they did

has everybody here had L&P? that stuff is awesome

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/--tiD8Yml7Ss/TW-ThkYi1ZI/AAAAAAAAB6U/dGjAegEMJlg/s1600/mcdaid_indo_836945t.jpg

that's where it's at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDaid%27s_Football_Special

Wikipedia article of the week, btw

amazing

I love how there's no detail other than "a mix of seven secret flavours". What does it taste like, other than 'sugar and chemicals'?

yes to football special

James McDaid Jr., the CEO of the company was also on the founding board of Swilly Rovers FC, one of the most decorated junior football clubs in Ireland, and, as such, wanted to celebrate winning trophies by filling the cup with an exciting but non-alcoholic beverage.

Swally Rovers FC meanwhile prefer alcoholic beverages in their cups

Also most are sold in plastic bottles a cold Football Special in a glass bottle is even better. Recently Football Special has also been used to make Football Special flavoured Cheesecakes, these were sold in Supervalue in Newtoncunningham and Ballybofey.

lol truth

it tastes kinda Vimto-y, but a lot better than fizzy Vimto, dryer. not as good as Vimto cordial but hey

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=McDaid%27s_Football_Special&action=historysubmit&diff=416414416&oldid=412929631

sally o'brien and the way she'd look at you and the bottle of football special

yeah i believe it's widely used as a mixer tho i've never tried it as such. also tbh if you can find it outside of a 5 mile radius around Ramelton you're doing well

i hear you have to go to the supervalue in newtoncunningham to get the REAL stuff

you people are unbelievable

got it as far as the abbey in donegal town once iirc

lol at max the yank and his adding the 'e' to supervalu i mean

the wikipedia article had an e!! go change it

reverse irishism

oh man I love sugary fizzy drinks

why did nobody tell me about McDaid's before I was 4 miles away from Ramelton :(

(we even stopped for supplies in the shop in Ramelton)

http://www.lovemarks.com/media/image/landp_html.jpg

^ World famous in New Zealand

http://www.squareball.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/fb_special_tee_01.jpg

^ World famous in Donegal

I say "the shop" as there did not appear to be many more than one, but perhaps I am mistaken xxp

back to sexism, don't know about the drink but the song's great:

http://www.uncamarvy.com/4Deuces/4deuces3.jpg

you people are unbelievable

yeah, come on ILX, a man is MAKING TEA here

lollll

This is sort of somehow tangentially related. Anyway lol nice try NYer:

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/photobooth/2011/09/women-photograph-men.html

related to lemonade, obv

that cool refreshing drink

endemic sexualization of the female form is bad for male confidence, as we're seen as desexualized and inert

This is a pround subject and I'm glad The New Yorker handled it with such sensitivity. I hope next you do an equally stirring piece on Phil Collins or perhaps on Whitney Huston.

Posted 9/18/2011, 9:03:51pm by lizbeth2