such a Shame: Steve McQueen and Michael Fassbender get dirty

Soil it in here boys

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Yes.

it's already been hyped through the roof coming out of the festivals but man so excited

I listed Hunger as my #1 film that year, but man, this isn't good.

Only satisfying character / performance is Fassbender's douchebag tomcatting boss.

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2011/10/26/shame-nc17-rating/

Is this the one where he takes off girls' clothing using his mutant powers?

No that was Fish Tank.

where did morbs see this?

is this the return of the much-missed 90s genre, the "erotic thriller"

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man it is impossible for this thread title not to put me in mind of a very different sort of team-up.

also kinda bummed mcqueen's fela biopic seemingly got bumped for this.

his next movie sounds way more interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve_Years_a_Slave

man it is impossible for this thread title not to put me in mind of a very different sort of team-up.

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Fassbender's douchebag tomcatting boss

James Badge Dale! Nice to see him in a semi-comic capacity.

oh i like badge dale a lot

the trailer, for people who like their breathing heavy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62nelnMXW3M

TamTam, I saw it at the NYFF

I've seen this twinned gag before:

http://criterioncorner.tumblr.com/post/12843006206/i-see-what-you-did-there-film-comment

Should I bother seeing this tomorrow?

eh

I've avoided this thing because it looks like a Brokebackesque morality play.

Lol think I will give it a pass or wait for DVD.

it is not good

i was howling with laughter by the end, when he descends into a Se7en-esque underworld of red light homosex clubs

okay that last post convinced me to see this

I thought it was going to be this ponderous movie about a man and his peen, but if it is that campy I want to see this too.

more ponderous than campy unfortunately

Guess I will wait til it is on Netflix.

Yeah the friends I was gonna go with did go and said it was p bad but not quite bad enough to be good bad.

It sounds like a baptist sex scare film.

it is that moralistic

it actually struck me that it could've been played as a comedy with very little adjustment to the script or direction, and i still found it to be a hilarious movie, but im pretty immature i guess and i was laughing every time he scoped out a chick's ass, or when he shed a single tear at his sister's singing. that said its also not good

This is indeed really ponderous. It even made New York look really gloomy - I felt like shouting 'lighten up people'.

I early like the idea of it being played as a comedy - perhaps it could have been like one of the Warhol/Morrissey films like Heat and Trash.

Didn't think much of this at all despite the rave reviews in the Guardian and TimeOut.

This guy is in every movie now, isn't he? Every single fucking movie

'ponderous' is right, certainly with the music, but as not-good as the second half is, the first half is pretty great.

is January Jones any good or

well this bored the arse off me and i've seen some boring-arse films in my time. i really liked Hunger too.

Cruising was a more human film.

Orange & Teal!

I cried. I cried... Yes, I fucking cried. I suspect many will dislike it. But I really loved it. I loved how they did not explain why Fassbender is who he is. One who cannot find any emotion in sex. How he is unable to establish a long lasting (sexual) relationship. It is what it is. A sex addiction. The past and future are irrelevant. Up there with Haneke's movie. And therefore not liked by many I guess.

I cried with laughter

idg ppl who found this film risible

the xcutting between fassbenders dark night of the soul and ms mumfords wristslit aftermath was a bit overwrought but otherwise it seemed reasonably 'realistic' in showing what pathological compulsive fornication must look like

ppl find it hard to empathize with moneyed prettyboy fassyb getting a lot of sex

what about the scene where he wept mid-threesome while the orchestra cheered him on

Often with Haneke that enclosed universe is invaded by events and seemingly random people and acts.

Shame had one man and his emptiness/lack/loneliness against the world. His sister coming in to his life is that device but it isn't worked through enough so that comparison doesn't hold. xp

well yeah but it was mostly pretty restrained and if mcqueen didnt lay it on in act 3 everyone would be moaning about how 'antiseptic' and 'chilly' the rest of it was

it would've been more Haneke/Austrian if he made Fassbinder be more ruthless w/her and actively encouraged his sister's attempted suicide so he could carry on with having meaningless sex every day of the week until he destroyed himself too instead of the remorse and crying after a jog...

Or if there was more incest (which was very lightly worked in iirc)

Fassbender i mean, but it would have been more Fassbinder too.

Up there with Haneke's movie. And therefore not liked by many I guess.

do you think it's like one of Haneke's? i feel like any contextual ambiguity in Code Unknown or Time of the Wolf or whatever is assuaged by the sting & accuracy of how people then interact - it's so grounded & real & sharp & dynamic, the people are vivid and make sense. the lack of touch or detail to the interactions in shame was so weak - like, the conversation about what music they like?, which didn't even seem to be intentionally vapid, or the kinda lazy detailing of the guy's high-flyer non-work life. it was fassbender just acting as a brooding stare for a whole movie; we weren't fed some idea of the reason why he was enigmatic or interesting (which I don't need or anything, just i feel like you kinda need historical context or some sense of engaging present) & he couldn't really sustain it, for me. since i am galloping here can i just oh man this film was so glib, too. the neat lil bookending with the girl on the subway, CMON STEVE YOU'RE MEANT TO BE AN ARTIST, films don't have to end with some trite bon appetit! signature.

i dont remember relating this to haneke at all and i watched la pianiste just beforehand, as you say there is none of his dispassionate sadism

hunger is more interesting

idg ppl who found this film risible

the xcutting between fassbenders dark night of the soul and ms mumfords wristslit aftermath was a bit overwrought but otherwise it seemed reasonably 'realistic' in showing what pathological compulsive fornication must look like

ppl find it hard to empathize with moneyed prettyboy fassyb getting a lot of sex

― dis civilization and its contents (nakhchivan), Sunday, July 1, 2012 5:37 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark

you found it realistic when he was making anguished faces and crying while getting double teamed by two babes? i mean if you wanted to say that the movie accessed some kind of emotional truth that transcended realism i would get that (tho still disagree), but... come on. addicts dont weep while they're taking a hit!

the way his past w/his sister is hinted at = what you do when you have filmmaking talent but can't write people (see martha marcy may marlene)

I didnt hold it against the movie that it was about a good looking guy getting laid a lot, its just that every new scene that attempted to introduce some insight into his character was really facile. its like oh, heres the scene where we find out he can't handle real intimacy, lets watch it develop in the most obvious and ponderous way possible, repeat for whole movie

do you think it's like one of Haneke's? i feel like any contextual ambiguity in Code Unknown or Time of the Wolf or whatever is assuaged by the sting & accuracy of how people then interact - it's so grounded & real & sharp & dynamic, the people are vivid and make sense. the lack of touch or detail to the interactions in shame was so weak - like, the conversation about what music they like?, which didn't even seem to be intentionally vapid, or the kinda lazy detailing of the guy's high-flyer non-work life. it was fassbender just acting as a brooding stare for a whole movie; we weren't fed some idea of the reason why he was enigmatic or interesting (which I don't need or anything, just i feel like you kinda need historical context or some sense of engaging present) & he couldn't really sustain it, for me. since i am galloping here can i just oh man this film was so glib, too. the neat lil bookending with the girl on the subway, CMON STEVE YOU'RE MEANT TO BE AN ARTIST, films don't have to end with some trite bon appetit! signature.

― blossom smulch (schlump), Sunday, July 1, 2012 5:52 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

otm!

you found it realistic when he was making anguished faces and crying while getting double teamed by two babes? i mean if you wanted to say that the movie accessed some kind of emotional truth that transcended realism i would get that (tho still disagree), but... come on. addicts dont weep while they're taking a hit!

no i caveated that that stuff was overwrought

the scene in the hotel with the girl from work (who mf is now dating irl) was more clinical

mcqueen def has this thing for making mf into a brando and forces it at times

carey mulligan was surprisingly good in this too, cuz she appears to be a classically terrible british hollywood actress

Martha Marcy May Marlene was cool cos it was scary

yeah CM was good. it's sad that NY NY is the emblem of her performance, bc it was shitty, but she was a slight redemption for this film in general.

yeah this was the first thing i've really liked her in. i was a little more into how her character was handled too, she felt a little more fresh to me than broodypants mccrysex

mmmm was a better film than this but it has a sort of narrative exigency of its own via classic 60s/70s psychodrama tension whereas shame had to have a false catharsis appended to it so it was like nuri ceylan's 'distant' turning into fight club

in spite of that i don't think it was terrible at all and will await mcqueen's next stuff

i like mcqueen. dug hunger a lot. cant wait for his slave movie.

the most haneke-like american film i've seen is AFTERSCHOOL which is as cold as fuck

http://www.villagevoice.com/2009-09-29/film/the-high-school-movie-s-web-addled-update-in-afterschool/

i was going to make a thread about but i forgot

i've had a torrent of Afterschool stalled for the last three months

it will be on kg

if u go to their irc room supposedly they will give u an invite if u say u like tarkovsky and hate michael bay

i...don't think i can do that. Just checked and they have it on surrealmoviez though

if u go to their irc room supposedly they will give u an invite if u say u like tarkovsky and hate michael bay

― dis civilization and its contents (nakhchivan), Monday, 2 July 2012 00:10 (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

loool i can vouch for this fwiw

it's a great site, supposedly

<I>do you think it's like one of Haneke's? </I>

Not at all actually. But I was so overwhelmed by the film, I decided to check what you guys had to say about it. It didn't surprise me that it isn't liked much. I am terrible at explaining myself. Although it isn't thematically the same at all (like any of the Haneke films I have seen, they all seem to deal with voilence in one way or another), it had the same impact on me. Does that make any sense at all?

Anyway, I think many will hate this movie because it is very detached and feels haughty (?). It doesn't explain much as to why he (and his sister) are as fucked up as they are. There's only a few hints. But that didn't bother me at all. What does it really matter?When you're dealing with addiction or day to day actions (or *real life*) you don't dissect it that much. I mean, I don't go around analyzing why I suffer from panic attacks. I just deal with'em. (At times I will, but not much in my day to day actions.)

Anyway, I absolutely loved this movie. Just blew me away. But 1 I won't be seeing it again and 2 I am happy I saw it on my own. It was that kind of movie you have to see on your own.

oh i like badge dale a lot

I do too. But here he certainly wasn't the most interesting character. Least more likely. More or less irrelevant

This movie was hilarious – something to giggle at every few minuets.

Fassbender, enduring a dark night of the soul, finally succumbs to kissing a man.

Lol. There is no succumbing here at all sadly.

Nath - I can see what you mean. there is a lack of explanation that seems preferable to coming up with some bogus researched psychological reasoning. There were one or two 'sex addicts watch this film' articles, in retrospect that is all missing the point.

There is some stuff there about the way people live in cities, that anonymity and its excitements and downsides.

There is violence but it isn't shown, or that well placed for maximum impact - which is one thing that Haneke does.

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Y'know, this movie made me realize: I guess I am a snob when it comes to films/books and whatnot. My friend told me several times already that I am a terrible snob. I used to disagree vehemently. But I guess I do. It is not a conscious decision. I just tend to gravitate towards such snobby products. I tend to love films that are "art products." This isn't about entertainment but about confrontation. To rattle you and shake you up. It won't change your life, nor give it new direction, but it will slap you in the face. The same goes for Haneke. I wonder if it's something european? I don't know. But fuck do I love it.

I think the first half of this film is good-maybe-great.

haha stevie – I was gonna say, "My friends call me a snob because I hate movies like this."

The "Europeanness" you mentioned is key. It's in large part why the film collapsed early. It's a European or at least non-American view of corporate culture. This is the umpteenth time a director lights and decorates office space as if crumbs and dust didn't exist, or lights and decorates a Manhattan apartment with EX-quisite taste. I recently dated a guy who makes a lot of money working for one of those global accounting firms. His days are so long that he's barely in his studio apartment and it shows: the flatscreen TV is on the floor, the old fridge has one open beer and a container of olives, the bed is unmade, and there's shoes and socks everywhere.

The movie had that alienation-is-the-craze vibe. Can't a director for once make a film about a person comfortable and nonplussed about his addictions?

That was basically what I wanted from Magic Mike. A movie in full-on endorsement of cut men enjoying the awesomeness of their bodies.

But I guess we have a different type of movie selling that one.

Two of my coworkers saw this and amused me greatly when they both together tried to tell me what happened in the movie but they were both so uncomfortable with putting any of 'it' into words that it just became this hilarious parade of eyebrow raising and euphemisms -- I was like ok if it made them that uncomfortable then I *have* to see it

Turns out I guess I'm not as uptight as they are; if anything the movie just made their uncomfortableness even more amusing.

Anyway, I think I liked it. Perhaps a little bit *too* austere for its own good, I could have done with a bit more gritty realism given the subject matter. But then the austerity kind of underlined his detachment so it worked, I guess. The whole dark night of the soul journey underground with teh gays was an odd turn, like it veered into some kind of 80's AIDS-scare movie. But the way that was handled was probably what I liked the most about the whole movie, they were not at pains to explain anything, you just have to sit with it.

Fassbender still lovely as always, also hawt etc etc. He does good face-acting in this. His character reminded me a lot of Patrick Bateman, maybe it was just the giant apartment and the big shower, lol. Well and the detachment is kinda qed, not much of a stretch there. Carey Mulligan was great -- that scene when they're arguing on the couch, the way it was framed from behind with the camera not moving an inch seeing the tears slowly dripping off her chin was really something.

Only bum note for me was did she really have to sing New York, New York? I couldn't suspend my disbelief enough for that.

oh and the gorgeous girl from work that he takes up to the hotel room is the lead in Sleepy Hollow, I loved her in this

My God, woman, u think u liked it

I think we've established that I'm not known for my excellent taste things lol

loved this movie the first time i saw it but mcqueen could do with being a little less grave/precious - there were scenes in this where i had to unexpectedly lol as it took itself a tad too seriously (though i did find myself welling up at the whole man-who-cant-connect theme too). this was def better the first time i saw it then afterward. i love mcqueen but he could do with a bit more substance in his films. there is a what you see is what you get (and not much else) to his films, beautiful though that surface is, even in 12 years a slave. hes also just not very good at developing a story. not sure how to say it exactly but its just scene+scene+scene, rather than any kind of narrative thread being developed between them. i think id actually like him to not bother trying to do narrative too much. he clearly doesnt seem too interested in it. this film would have been better if paul schrader wrote it (though then it would of course have ended with fassbender being visited in jail by carey mulligan)