so it seems pretty clear at this point that sometime over the next five years most people will have moved from a local files model of computer music-listening (& movie-watching & data-storage & so forth) to a streaming/cloud model. this thread is to help us (me) sort through the different options, what works best, whats cheap, whats easy, etc.
is anyone planning on using icloud? for what? what about google music? (i am using google music right now and it works great except for a couple irritating things)
feel like we can include spotify/netflix and similar subscription services since its kind of the same concept: keeping media files off of yr local hard drive
― max, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 23:12 (thirteen years ago)
one reason i ask is b/c i am saving up for a macbook air right now and the hard drives are (relatively) TINY--like 128GB on the lowest-end model. which would just barely fit my itunes library. and while im sure ill end up putting it all on an external (or two), id rather not be carting around the external HD every time i want listen to music
― max, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 23:14 (thirteen years ago)
i'm interested in this thread too tbh -- i just signed up for icloud right now and am using spotify free, but i still don't know exactly how all of this fits together for me
― markers, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 23:35 (thirteen years ago)
yes. i am waiting for this to "fit together" and "just work" or whatever. i dont want to have to jury-rig some solution.
so far google music seems like the best (current) solution... pros: lets me upload all mp3s, including those of uncertain provenance, lets me listen from whichever computer, is free. neutral: interface is okay. cons: no iphone listening, have to have window open in browser, media keys dont work, have to install plugin to re-download yr mp3s
― max, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 23:42 (thirteen years ago)
I was pretty stoked about the amazon cloud for music until I got cold feet regarding my rights to those files. are they gonna be able to turn me in if I can't document that I "own" those files? I dunno about any of that, but o/w it seems like a great deal; for like $20 a year (& free the first year if you buy any music from amazon, even a $5 mp3 album) you can upload an unlimited # of files. granted that's a pain in the ass, but so is my ridiculous replication of my 400+ gb of musica popular.
was excited about the apple thing but it's only for 25,000 songs...sigh...so I'd have to do the same bullshit I do w/ all my iDevices: pick & choose. so tired of that.
― Euler, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 23:46 (thirteen years ago)
not feeling all of this, i r luddite
― Once Were Moderators (DG), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 23:53 (thirteen years ago)
the thing that i am most interested/worried about is streaming music to play on my iphone--presumably thats the direction were headed in... but it means huge amounts of data usage, no listening on the subway, etc.
― max, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 23:59 (thirteen years ago)
the one part of all of this i feel like i have figured out is the music stuff. i use spotify. it has a large percentage of the kind of stuff i listen to, and while i don't own an iphone now, i will eventually, and they have an iphone app w/ offline mode, so
i kind of never want to manage music files ever again tbh
― markers, Thursday, 13 October 2011 00:01 (thirteen years ago)
you can stream from amazon cloud; can create a web app only at this point, but it works (I've done it my iPad). maybe amazon'll create a real app eventually.
no idea about how to manage data usage. I'm guessing that the expensive caps on data are gonna end eventually, probably when google and/or apple and/or I dunno replaces the whole dumb cell infrastructure in the USA.
― Euler, Thursday, 13 October 2011 00:02 (thirteen years ago)
i hope so! but im not optimistic--didnt the net neutrality ruling last year essentially allow telecoms the freedom to limit and throttle their data transfers
― max, Thursday, 13 October 2011 00:05 (thirteen years ago)
i don't have a laptop or iphone, but while at work i do stream music from my home computer using subsonic. it streams to phones as well.
― mookieproof, Thursday, 13 October 2011 00:08 (thirteen years ago)
i'm paying for spotify and for dropbox right now and i imagine google's document refix will change the atmosphere in a big way.this is why we don't have any records of lost civilizations by the way: everybody puts their info in the cloud and then CONTAGIONsuperintelligent crickets will never know the joy of The Black Eyed Peas and it is the consumer's fault
― loads of personality, loved to chase chickens (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 13 October 2011 03:02 (thirteen years ago)
this whole thing seems like "why own when you can rent"
― da croupier, Thursday, 13 October 2011 03:14 (thirteen years ago)
like, i get that the direction is storing all of our content on servers outside of our possession, but lord what's the rush
― da croupier, Thursday, 13 October 2011 03:16 (thirteen years ago)
"why rent when you can steal"
― mookieproof, Thursday, 13 October 2011 03:20 (thirteen years ago)
"why steal when cloud"
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 13 October 2011 03:44 (thirteen years ago)
is anyone using itunes match yet
― max, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 14:48 (thirteen years ago)
http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/6/3224597/mat-honan-hacked-apple-icloud-google-twitter
― markers, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 02:36 (twelve years ago)
actually: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/08/apple-amazon-mat-honan-hacking/
― markers, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 02:37 (twelve years ago)
i've given up on itunes match.
too many bad matches of shitty remix versions or what sounds like 64k resampled to 256, and gapless playback seems broken
― caek, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 11:43 (twelve years ago)
gonna try again toward the end of my year
working pretty well for me so far! the only problem w/ matching ive encountered is the "clean version" thing
― max, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 12:29 (twelve years ago)
noticed any problems with gapless?
― caek, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 12:30 (twelve years ago)
no not yet
― max, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 12:38 (twelve years ago)
: (
― caek, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 12:48 (twelve years ago)
support sort of acknowledged sporadic problems, but didn't offer a fix
― caek, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 12:49 (twelve years ago)
the cloud is the best name for any computer thing ever
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 12:50 (twelve years ago)
having said that i have totally ignored icloud and itunes match and dropbox
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 12:52 (twelve years ago)
i have too many files they cant deal w/all my files
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 12:53 (twelve years ago)
i am pretty much at the match limit, but i figure they will raise it via moore's law
― caek, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 12:53 (twelve years ago)
Amazon cloud just added matching =- nice 256k versions of my shitty ripped from youtube files
― The Cheerfull Turtle (Latham Green), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 14:09 (twelve years ago)
Best services for 'general' (docs, music, photos) back-up to the cloud? This would be belt and braces, with hard disk back-up in addition, and only for back-up rather than rich sharing features. Last time I looked was about 3 years ago, tried Mozy, it was hopeless - but recent reviews seem to suggest vast improvements? I guess Carbonite was the other contender back then.
― ljubljana, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 23:34 (twelve years ago)
highly recommend crashplan
― max, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 23:45 (twelve years ago)
which is great for backup but also has a pretty full featured mobile app and (I believe) web interface for retrieving and viewing files
― max, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 23:47 (twelve years ago)
im currently piggybacking on my dads plan, its a big lump sum up front but I think it's fairly cheap if you think of it as a month to month thing
― max, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 23:50 (twelve years ago)
Thanks, checking this out and will give the 30-day trial a go.
― ljubljana, Thursday, 16 August 2012 00:10 (twelve years ago)
max, if I'm looking at a terabyte plus of data, crashplan works fine?
― "Batshit crazy," the foam clog tycoon said. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 16 August 2012 13:38 (twelve years ago)
well, the initial upload will take forever, but once its up it only backs up the new and changed bits of data
― max, Thursday, 16 August 2012 13:49 (twelve years ago)
i believe for a fee theyll also send you an external drive that you can back up to, and then send back to them
― max, Thursday, 16 August 2012 13:54 (twelve years ago)
Well that's kinda what I'm doing now anyway so
― "Batshit crazy," the foam clog tycoon said. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 16 August 2012 14:34 (twelve years ago)
I've got 1.4TB on CrashPlan. Took ~15 months for the initial upload. Painfully slow but otherwise flawless -- don't notice any drain on system resources, unlike Time Machine. I think my ISP may be capping my upload speed, so you might do better. I selected the more important folders (family photos and videos, documents) went up first, added the music folder only once everything else was captured.
― misty sensorium (Plasmon), Friday, 17 August 2012 05:59 (twelve years ago)
15 months!!!
― original bgm, Friday, 17 August 2012 06:06 (twelve years ago)
Yeah, painfully slow. Every similar service I've tried over the years has been similarly molasses-like, including Mozy and SugarSync. I think it's my ISP's fault, "high speed" internet doesn't mean much in Canada.
― misty sensorium (Plasmon), Friday, 17 August 2012 06:10 (twelve years ago)
Crashplan took me about 2 weeks with 540 GB.
― Jeff, Friday, 17 August 2012 11:48 (twelve years ago)
dropbox fuckin with it's copy link function?
― lemmy's rabbles (darraghmac), Monday, 21 January 2013 00:38 (twelve years ago)
I've got 1.4TB on CrashPlan. Took ~15 months for the initial upload
lmao is this for real
― dmr, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 21:16 (eleven years ago)
figuring out a cloud thing that will work with iphoto is a pain
― dmr, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 03:08 (eleven years ago)
http://thesweetsetup.com/apps/our-favorite-photo-stream-alternative/
― caek, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 03:28 (eleven years ago)
thanks! might use that as a good backup for "what if your phone crashes / gets lost before you save your photos locally" but for all my past photos I think I'm just gonna use CrashPlan or Backblaze to mirror my hard drive. was considering Google or Amazon but it seems like the consensus is they don't sync well with iPhoto and might not be able to restore your library if your hard drive gets wiped. CrashPlan seems to say for sure that they can do that.
I'm starting to see how bad iPhoto sucks but the prospect of getting my zillion photos out of it and using something else is not appealing.
― dmr, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 15:42 (eleven years ago)
basically I'm not looking for a cloud photostream, I want a non-local backup of my whole iphoto library (which is huge)
― dmr, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 15:44 (eleven years ago)
i just back up my whole aperture library to crashplan. it didnt take THAT long to upload i dont think? a couple weeks at most? i dont remember how big the library is though
― max, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 15:55 (eleven years ago)
Does Crashplan let you listen to your music off of the cloud? If not, can someone recommend a cloud storage service where you can listen to your music directly from the cloud?
― Immediate Follower (NA), Wednesday, 9 April 2014 16:25 (eleven years ago)
It doesn't. Just for back up.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 16:26 (eleven years ago)
there's backblaze too.
― markers, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 17:33 (eleven years ago)
timely revive too because dropbox is having an event right now
― markers, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 17:34 (eleven years ago)
well what do you know https://www.carousel.com
― markers, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 18:04 (eleven years ago)
dropbox now 10USD/8GBP a month for a terabyte
― sktsh, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 13:23 (ten years ago)
It's a little cheaper if you pay by the year, $99
― Immediate Follower (NA), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 16:30 (ten years ago)
I've been using Dropbox for a while, and I love the simplicity of it, but I think it's ridiculous they only have one pay scheme. I don't need a terabyte of space, and 10 euros per month is too much. If I could have something like 200 GBs for 4 euros per month, I'd be fine with that.
― Tuomas, Sunday, 28 September 2014 11:40 (ten years ago)
How come I can stream WAV files directly from the Dropbox app but not from the Dropbox site?
― Immediate Follower (NA), Wednesday, 8 July 2015 16:32 (nine years ago)
is there a single product purporting to store yr eg docs reliably across android, windows devices and online that isnt a total fucking misery to use
― the last famous poster you were surprised to discover was actually (darraghmac), Sunday, 1 July 2018 22:56 (six years ago)
why are they pushing the "dropbox app" i literally thought the WHOLE POINT was that they just act like normal files in a "magic" folder using your own file system. GAHH
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 3 December 2020 22:01 (four years ago)
probably 'the people from marketing' focus-grouped it and decided potential customers know what an app is and are comfortable with them, but they are puzzled by and a bit fearful of magic folders
― Respectfully Yours, (Aimless), Thursday, 3 December 2020 22:06 (four years ago)
i realise this is a really dumb question but if someone shares a dropbox folder with me and i choose 'add to dropbox' it plonks it into my dropbox 'home' i.e. root directory. after a couple of years of this i have an absolutely ungodly number of totally unrelated folders there. so i thought - hey, this is just MY view of these folders. i can create a bunch of umbrella folders for these things and organise it, right?
right? can i do that? i realllly don't want to fuck up my colleagues' folder heirarchies.
i realise this is a bone-simple question that probably proves i don't know how dropbox works but idk this thing is out of hand
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 7 December 2020 15:53 (four years ago)
https://help.dropbox.com/files-folders/share/leave-shared-folder
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 7 December 2020 16:14 (four years ago)
hmm don’t want to remove anything necc - just sort into my own folder structure
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 7 December 2020 16:30 (four years ago)
Oh I see. No I think if you reorganise stuff there’s two way sync. They’ll be out of business in 5 years though so i wouldn’t worry about it.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 7 December 2020 16:40 (four years ago)
Yeah, Google Drive's general wack-ass file structure is better in that regard, everything's just a symlink anyway
― Nhex, Monday, 7 December 2020 16:47 (four years ago)
lmao caek why do you say that(thanks for the reassurance about my reorg - i’m goin in)
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 7 December 2020 16:50 (four years ago)
lmao caek why do you say that
(thanks for the reassurance about my reorg - i’m goin in)
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 7 December 2020 16:52 (four years ago)
Haha oh shit
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 7 December 2020 17:03 (four years ago)
So “add to my Dropbox” has one function, which is to put it in a giant flat directory of every folder anyone has ever shared with you?? seems mental
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 7 December 2020 17:05 (four years ago)
I’m not sure if you’re talking about moving the top level shared folder (which I think is fine) or moving stuff inside the shared folder (which I think will affect the owners view).
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 7 December 2020 17:07 (four years ago)
when you get added to a dropbox folder you get an email notification that when clicked takes you to the web view of that folder. there’s a big button that says “add to dropbox”, which is what you need to do unless you want to go to that webpage every time. i think there’s also an option to download to disk. anyway, when you “add to dropbox”, it puts that shared folder into your root dropbox directory. the one you see if you click the “dropbox” icon that dropbox adds to your sidebar, etc. THOSE are the folders i’d like to organise. don’t wanna move or rename my home dropbox folder. just the ones inside it.literally every time i type “dropbox” it says “dripbox” o help me lawd
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 7 December 2020 17:24 (four years ago)
lol to be clear i don’t want to rename them! just move em around inside a few folders i’ve created in that top level.
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 7 December 2020 17:26 (four years ago)
When I’ve added shared folders they’ve shown up as subfolders of ~/Dropbox/shared or ~Dropbox/public or something. I don’t think there’s anything stopping you moving the folder they shared with you to somewhere else inside ~/Dropbox. It might be worth trying to do it in the web ui though. Maybe more obvious what works of you view from there.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 7 December 2020 17:38 (four years ago)