We're only a few days away from the NYFCC's new early awards announcements, so why not?
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― michael assbender (Eric H.), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 17:22 (fourteen years ago)
Symmetry required you to start it.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 17:23 (fourteen years ago)
The real reason I'm starting this is because Mark Harris started Oscar blogging, and his handful of columns thus far put all other Oscar blogging to shame.
http://www.grantland.com/blog/hollywood-prospectus/category/_/name/oscarmetrics
― michael assbender (Eric H.), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 17:23 (fourteen years ago)
xpost and no one will allow themselves to misspell detritus on purpose
― michael assbender (Eric H.), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 17:24 (fourteen years ago)
what in hell are the Hollywood Awards? They were given out last night.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/race/15th-annual-hollywood-film-awards-252837
And if you haven't heard, the NY crix have moved their prizes up to Nov 28. This is good news for Romney.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 17:34 (fourteen years ago)
the Streep column is a real beaut, especially the stumping for Viola Davis.
I’m hammering the Streep prediction because aside from everything else, I think it’s bad guesswork. Meryl Streep is 2-and-14; in other words, she has lost more Academy Awards than any actor in history. She is zero-for-six playing real people. Phyllida Lloyd, The Iron Lady’s director, has made just one previous film, Mamma Mia!, which is not remembered for its acting (at least, not kindly). So overall, there’s little reason to believe Streep will win, especially since it’s now a near-annual ritual for prognosticators to claim that it’s her year — for Doubt, for Julie & Julia, for whatever — and then, when they find that narrative tedious, to start boosting an underdog. I guess it’s just too boring to assume that the best movie actress in the world is going to win another Oscar, which is probably why Streep has only two and not the five or six she deserves.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 17:38 (fourteen years ago)
xpost Oy.
Michelle Williams (My Week with Marilyn), a top contender for the best actress Oscar...The cast of The Help, which is a top contender for the best picture Oscar...Glenn Close (Albert Nobbs), who is a top contender for the best actress Oscar...It was uncertain how Christopher Plummer (Beginners), the 81-year-old who is widely considered to be the frontrunner for the best supporting actor Oscar...Diablo Cody (Young Adult), who is a top contender for the best original screenplay Oscar...Perennial honoree George Clooney (The Descendants), who is a top contender for the best actor Oscar...Joseph Gordon-Levitt (50/50), who is a possible contender for the best actor Oscar...Alberto Iglesias (The Skin I Live In), who is a top contender for the best original score OscarHarry Potter and the Deathly Hallows -- Part 2, which is a possible contender for the best picture Oscar...
Based on the pattern, Carey Mulligan must have really sucky Oscar chances this year.
― michael assbender (Eric H.), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 17:40 (fourteen years ago)
Yes, these have been a real treat to read, and a welcome respite from Sasha Stone's daily inanities.
― A Lip in the Blandscape (jaymc), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 17:42 (fourteen years ago)
tho I'm sure he's better than at least one guy who'll be AA-nominated, don't wanna see Bennett Miller get any prizes dor Dumbeddownball.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 17:46 (fourteen years ago)
at least one guy who'll be AA-nominated
Wouldn't put Woody Allen's name in stone yet.
― michael assbender (Eric H.), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 18:00 (fourteen years ago)
too bad Aronofsky doesn't have a new one, eh
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 18:07 (fourteen years ago)
Thx for the new screenname, btw.
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 18:08 (fourteen years ago)
hmmm
quality #1 and 2 on the Oughties horror list, knock me over w/ a feather!
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 18:15 (fourteen years ago)
I've no problems with the top 5 at all.
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 19:04 (fourteen years ago)
Burton's Sweeney Todd missing tho
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 01:20 (fourteen years ago)
any of you boys seen Margin Call yet?
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 02:13 (fourteen years ago)
Skipped it. My dad gave it a rave on Twitter, which means Armond probably hated it.
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 03:35 (fourteen years ago)
Britindie noms, whatever they are:
http://www.indiewire.com/article/shame_tyrannosaur_and_tinker_tailor_lead_british_independent_film_award_nom/
Shame, for shame.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 15:36 (fourteen years ago)
I saw Margin Call. If that's one of the best of the year, we're fucked.
― encarta it (Gukbe), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 15:57 (fourteen years ago)
I like how the Britindie noms seem to include pretty much any British film.
Then there are the Gotham nominees:
http://gotham.ifp.org/
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 16:01 (fourteen years ago)
Margin Call was fun.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 16:02 (fourteen years ago)
Is Beginners going to have weight in the awards season? Christopher Plummer I can see but anything else about it? Really?
― encarta it (Gukbe), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 16:03 (fourteen years ago)
It's probably the worst film I'll watch this year.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 16:03 (fourteen years ago)
when I use anticipation, casting, script, and audience reaction as factors.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 16:04 (fourteen years ago)
I liked Margin Call fine, but if it makes it into Year End Top 10 lists then it's been a pretty bad year.
― encarta it (Gukbe), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 16:05 (fourteen years ago)
Has anyone here seen The Descendants?
― encarta it (Gukbe), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 16:07 (fourteen years ago)
not yet.
NYC MoMA having their annual "Contenders" series w/ some Q&As after.
http://www.moma.org/visit/calendar/films/1218
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 November 2011 15:39 (fourteen years ago)
Will be seeing Descendents on Sunday. Missed the press screening yesterday. Expecting less than nothing.
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Thursday, 3 November 2011 17:02 (fourteen years ago)
It could be that I'm just not old and crusty enough yet to appreciate Payne when he's not dealing with over-zealous high school students.
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Thursday, 3 November 2011 17:03 (fourteen years ago)
pro-choice lesbians howling at moon ftw
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 November 2011 17:10 (fourteen years ago)
Paris Je T'aime segment ftw. If The Descendants is longer than 6 minutes, I'm not so sure.
― encarta it (Gukbe), Thursday, 3 November 2011 17:15 (fourteen years ago)
LOL, I keep forgetting he directed that segment because it was so good.
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Thursday, 3 November 2011 17:18 (fourteen years ago)
This seems by far the worst year for animated features since they had a category for them, but somehow they scraped together an eligibility list long enough to allow for 5 nominees. (Chico & Rita and Alois Nebel look promising.)
http://thefilmexperience.net/blog/2011/11/5/18-animated-features-for-oscar-will-5-nominees-bring-diversi.html
The Adventures of TintinAlois NebelAlvin and the Chipmunks: ChipwreckedArthur ChristmasCars 2 A Cat in ParisChico & RitaGnomeo & Juliet Happy Feet TwoHoodwinked Too! Hood vs. Evil Kung Fu Panda 2 Mars Needs Moms Puss in Boots Rango Rio The Smurfs Winnie the Pooh Wrinkles
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Saturday, 5 November 2011 17:52 (fourteen years ago)
I will always remember 2011 as the year detrius expended all its energy in the Pauline Kael thread.
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Saturday, 5 November 2011 18:31 (fourteen years ago)
Like a corpse belching what remains of its gas.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 5 November 2011 18:32 (fourteen years ago)
critics looooove critics
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 5 November 2011 18:32 (fourteen years ago)
I've just come to find awards not hateable, just boring.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 5 November 2011 18:33 (fourteen years ago)
The Kael thread will float to the sea floor when everyone realizes how dull Brian Kellow's bio is.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 5 November 2011 18:34 (fourteen years ago)
I suspect about 10% of the partcipants will read it.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 5 November 2011 18:35 (fourteen years ago)
I'm not inclined to read it at this point. The blogasm has probably told me everything I "needed" to know.
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Saturday, 5 November 2011 18:42 (fourteen years ago)
The awesome, beautifully remodeled, $2 per ticket second-run theater I live near just started running The Help and Midnight in Paris (both of which I've avoided til now) this weekend. It may be a very detriusy weekend for me.
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Saturday, 5 November 2011 18:43 (fourteen years ago)
and possibly a wasted one.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 5 November 2011 19:04 (fourteen years ago)
Probably, but I have a cold and it's that or sleep. ("Or.")
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Saturday, 5 November 2011 19:24 (fourteen years ago)
Midnight is thoroughly enjoyable imo
― encarta it (Gukbe), Saturday, 5 November 2011 19:28 (fourteen years ago)
It's nearly an hour shorter, so it has that going for it.
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Saturday, 5 November 2011 19:29 (fourteen years ago)
It needed to be a 20-minute short.
Euro Film Award noms, yay Le Havre and Essential Killing:
http://mubi.com/notebook/posts/european-film-award-nominations
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 5 November 2011 21:41 (fourteen years ago)
Descendants OK-ish. Probably a soft favorite for NYFCC.
If best actor's gonna turn into Clooney vs. Pitt (who I can not for the life of me figure out why he's even in the running for a nod, much less being hyped for a win), I'll be in the former camp.
― dor Dumbeddownball (Eric H.), Monday, 7 November 2011 04:58 (fourteen years ago)
I'd be in the latter, in part because I love being proven wrong (i.e. Pitt's a more interesting screen presence this year than Clooney's been for a while).
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 November 2011 12:01 (fourteen years ago)
Pitt's "in the running" for the wrong performance, as is fairly common with the AAs.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 November 2011 12:16 (fourteen years ago)
David Ehrenstein... man, what is the deal w/ that guy.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 January 2012 22:28 (fourteen years ago)
he loves comment sections!
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 January 2012 22:29 (fourteen years ago)
ultimate comments whore
lol i called him out once for saying something dumb bout trans ppl in the tlrd comments section and he got pissy about it
― donna rouge, Friday, 20 January 2012 22:33 (fourteen years ago)
he even commented on one of my reviews once, neutrally
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 January 2012 23:02 (fourteen years ago)
He comments on THND all the time.
― dead-trius (Eric H.), Friday, 20 January 2012 23:11 (fourteen years ago)
what's tlrd and THND? do i even want to know?
― jed_, Friday, 20 January 2012 23:13 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.slantmagazine.com/house/
The only D.E. book I have is Open Secret: Gay Hollywood 1927-1997
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 21 January 2012 01:06 (fourteen years ago)
Producers Guild award to yep, u know
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 22 January 2012 17:16 (fourteen years ago)
Some downright fantastic vitriol here:
http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2012/01/vulture-critics-poll-worst-movie-of-2011-ballots.html
1. Shame. Steve McQueen’s tale of pursuit-of-sexual-gratification-as-stations-of-the-cross punished its hollow shell of a protagonist (a too-game Michael Fassbender) as much as it flattered its audience by making them feel superior to him. Its acclaim isn’t mind-boggling only because it’s so clearly calibrated — in artful composition, self-serious score — to make you think you’re watching something of import. It’s actually childish, chastising, moralizing drivel so histrionic it has its main character literally wailing on his knees in front of the New York City skyline at the end. Nice dick, though.
― dead-trius (Eric H.), Monday, 23 January 2012 18:15 (fourteen years ago)
Love when things like this happen:
Mark Kermode, BBC1. New Year’s Eve2. Film Socialisme
― dead-trius (Eric H.), Monday, 23 January 2012 18:16 (fourteen years ago)
Nathan Lee and Chas Taylor very funny, but Armond's 1-2 most efficient:
We Need to Talk About Kevin. Must we?The Help. A return to Jim Crow, now called "Viola Davis."
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 January 2012 18:33 (fourteen years ago)
We Need to Talk About Kevin. Must we?
Wow. Yeah. Don't know how the movie will recover from that zingage.
― dead-trius (Eric H.), Monday, 23 January 2012 18:43 (fourteen years ago)
I am looking fwd to the box-office sieges if Tilda gets nominated and this plays to reg'lar folks.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 January 2012 18:50 (fourteen years ago)
flattered its audience by making them feel superior to him.
Yet more evidence that I did not see the same movie as most of y'all.
― Simon H., Monday, 23 January 2012 18:51 (fourteen years ago)
we are v interested how you'd measure your superiority to Michael Fassbender, Simon.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 January 2012 18:52 (fourteen years ago)
4. A Dangerous Method. Respectable David Cronenberg makes me long for exploding heads and gash fucking.
― dead-trius (Eric H.), Monday, 23 January 2012 18:57 (fourteen years ago)
Horror always plays well to us neo-Cronenberg-hating plebes.
― dead-trius (Eric H.), Monday, 23 January 2012 19:00 (fourteen years ago)
Gash-fucking Cronenberg and "respectable" Cronenberg equally permissible in my book.
― Simon H., Monday, 23 January 2012 19:02 (fourteen years ago)
Super 8. A movie only Spielberg-haters could love.
OTM, as the Slant DVD review proves to almost satirical degree.
― dead-trius (Eric H.), Monday, 23 January 2012 19:04 (fourteen years ago)
After watching Super-8 I have more respect for The Goonies.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 January 2012 19:05 (fourteen years ago)
Hey now.
― dead-trius (Eric H.), Monday, 23 January 2012 19:09 (fourteen years ago)
It's true!
I was disappointed by the number of people who seemed charmed by Super 8.
― Seriously, who votes for Drake? (Nicole), Monday, 23 January 2012 19:11 (fourteen years ago)
when did you see A Dangerous Method, Eric? cuz it's of a piece with his entire oeuvre.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 January 2012 19:22 (fourteen years ago)
No it's not.
― dead-trius (Eric H.), Monday, 23 January 2012 19:30 (fourteen years ago)
what's your "neo-Cronenberg" dividing line?
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 January 2012 19:53 (fourteen years ago)
Yeah I think Dangerous Method is very Cronenberg-material.
― encarta it (Gukbe), Monday, 23 January 2012 23:08 (fourteen years ago)
SAG gives best actor to Jean Dujardin's smile.
http://www.sag.org/screen-actors-guild-honors-outstanding-film-and-television-performances-18th-annual-screen-actors-gu
If this were to happen at the Oscars, I may grab a fork and go all Albert Brooks.
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 January 2012 12:44 (fourteen years ago)
and both maids told "you is special..."
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 January 2012 17:01 (fourteen years ago)
I think Dujardin winning the Oscar is a strong possibility. Pitt and Clooney split the movie-star vote; Dujardin charms everyone else and climbs over the seats like Roberto Benigni.
― jaymc, Monday, 30 January 2012 17:12 (fourteen years ago)
yes, he's the Benigni with sex apppeal instead of tastelessly misapplied comic talent
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 January 2012 17:14 (fourteen years ago)
Dujardin would certainly be the first winner since Benigni whose performance was afflicted with a terminal case of the cutes.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 January 2012 17:18 (fourteen years ago)
Hazmatvicious won DGA if u missed it
(NON-OSCAR POST)
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 January 2012 17:22 (fourteen years ago)
it's the AARP awards!
http://carpetbagger.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/07/making-a-play-for-older-voters-and-moviegoers/?ref=movies
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 18:43 (fourteen years ago)
hey, guess what swept the BAFTAs
http://mubi.com/notebook/posts/bafta-nominees-and-winners-2012
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 February 2012 15:17 (fourteen years ago)
glad to see Senna take a prize for editing.
― Simon H., Monday, 13 February 2012 16:00 (fourteen years ago)
Lubezki won his guild award
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 February 2012 18:34 (fourteen years ago)
nb: The Interrupters airs on PBS tonight
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 22:29 (fourteen years ago)
WGAs to Midnight in Paris, The Descendants
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 February 2012 20:25 (fourteen years ago)
Oh, they have the cinema or cinephiles now?
http://icsfilm.org/index.php
PICTURE01. A Separation 02. The Tree of Life 03. Mysteries of Lisbon 04. Certified Copy 05. Weekend 06. Margaret 07. Uncle Boonmee Who Can Recall His Past Lives 08. Drive09. Meek's Cutoff10. Hugo11. Melancholia
DIRECTORTerrence Malick – The Tree of Life
ACTORTom Cullen – Weekend
ACTRESSAnna Paquin – Margaret
SUPPORTING ACTOR Brad Pitt – The Tree of Life
SUPPORTING ACTRESSJ. Smith-Cameron – Margaret
― dead-trius (Eric H.), Thursday, 23 February 2012 04:04 (fourteen years ago)
Mrs Lonergan's character was the weak link in Margaret.
Tom Cullen is the boring one in Weekend, right?
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 23 February 2012 07:14 (fourteen years ago)
y
― encarta it (Gukbe), Thursday, 23 February 2012 07:18 (fourteen years ago)
Lord God
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/indie-spirit-awards-winners-list-the-artist-294970
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 26 February 2012 09:51 (fourteen years ago)
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It was an OK film -- not as bad as that piece of vitriol suggests, nor as good as its supporters suggest?
Not sure how the audience is made to feel superior unless its 'he is utterly devoid of charm however that does not stop him sleeping with half of New York but IS HE HAPPY?' type thing. And even if it is you can always flip this around...
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 26 February 2012 11:18 (fourteen years ago)
Yeah, I watched the Indie Spirit Awards. Oscars will be grim. Also, Plummer's acceptance speech will go on for an hour.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Sunday, 26 February 2012 17:29 (fourteen years ago)
Xpost
FC readers' poll
http://www.filmlinc.com/film-comment/article/readers-poll-the-20-best-film-of-2011
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 March 2012 05:37 (fourteen years ago)
I like to be out front on year-end lists, so here's mine for 2011:
1. Bobby Fischer Against the World2. Project Nim3. Phil Ochs: There but for Fortune4. A Separation5. Paul Goodman Changed My Life6. Eames: The Architect & The Painter7. A Dangerous Method8. Bill Cunningham New York9. Melancholia10. Urbanized
At least a couple aren't technically 2011, but that's when they first played here. I was holding off on this until I saw A Separation, which I did today. In all honesty, I half dragged myself to it, expecting that it wasn't for me. But it kept going in directions I didn't anticipate, the two kids were great, and it had one of those final shots where you suddenly think "End it right here," and happily the director did.
I also more or less liked the following: Conan O'Brien Can't Stop, Moneyball, The Ides of March, American: The Bill Hicks Story, The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. I didn't share in the enthusiasm for The Tree of Life or The Interrupters, although I can see where they deeply affected people. So-so: Page One: Inside the New York Times, Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, Into the Abyss, Contagion, Jane Eyre, The Iron Lady, Gerhard Richter Painting (technical difficulties a factor). Didn't like: Meek's Cutoff (my biggest disappointment), J. Edgar, Tabloid, Sarah Palin: You Betcha!, The Artist. Bafflement: Uncle Boonmee Who Can Recall His Past Lives (While I Can't Recall Much of Anything About Uncle Boonmee).
― clemenza, Sunday, 8 April 2012 05:09 (fourteen years ago)
I see I began my list on last year's detritus thread with pretty much exactly the same joke. I'm officially entering the Henny Youngman phase of my life.
― clemenza, Sunday, 8 April 2012 05:23 (fourteen years ago)
Can't find a separate thread for A Separation, or for Iranian film. (Did you know that if you do an ILX search on "Iranian film," at the top of the list is the "COMEDY POLL ANNEX--which film is more racist: Napoleon Dynamite or Ghostbusters?" thread? I'm not sure I get that.) The little girl is so good. I know she's not required to do a whole lot, but her face is so expressive--she's like the kids at the puppet show in The 400 Blows, or the young Apu in Pather Panchali. I didn't know anything about the Alzheimer's thread of the story going in. I never saw the Sarah Polley film about Alzheimer's, so this was easily the best treatment I've ever seen of that subject. I was trying to think of another one, and I thought that Julia Roberts' mother might have had it in Sleeping with the Enemy, but I guess not. There was some mainstream film I saw once where the mom had Alzheimer's, and the daughter would visit her in the hospital. There must be a few of them.
― clemenza, Monday, 9 April 2012 04:02 (fourteen years ago)