Is crack cocaine really so bad?

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So we're all used to the idea that pure heroin's only ill side effect is constipation and that all the badness is caused by impurities, unreliable strength and dirty needles. But crack - that's some bad shit isn't it? Or so we've been led to believe. I'm just wondering if it is. Does it turn you into a nasty motherfucker or is it all just meedja lies?

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 2 September 2002 14:52 (twenty-two years ago)

if someone isn't upset by this thread the world shall collapse I tells ya!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 2 September 2002 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

"Does it turn you into a nasty motherfucker"

Drugs cost money, and the more you use, the more money you need. Since the high of crack, from what I have heard, seems to last less than most, the amount of crack necessary to keep one going is larger than other drugs, and I have heard the crack is the most addictive out of any. This means that crack addicts need more money than other users, unless they are getting a good deal (I don't know the price of crack). A user may become a nasty motherfucker when they need the money, which they will eventually if crack is addicting as the ME-dia says.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Monday, 2 September 2002 16:59 (twenty-two years ago)

So we're all used to the idea that pure heroin's only ill side effect is constipation

what in the world are you talking about??

i don't know much about crack, but i hold cocaine in fairly low regard. it divides people, plus my friend killed himself while on it.

ron (ron), Monday, 2 September 2002 18:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Drugs are bad, straight up. It took me a long time to realize that. Crack is particularly bad, not least because it's easily available in small ($10-$20) amounts so what seems like a minor investment ends up a being a whole paycheck gone by Saturday morning. I can't imagine how awful the consequences of that would be if one had a family etc to support.

adam (adam), Tuesday, 3 September 2002 01:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Aaron - that's kind of what I thought. Is crack that superamazing instantly addictive though, or was that an attempt to make it sound more exciting in sensationalist reporting around the time it emerged? I'm quite prepared to believe the former, it's just you hear about people who've tried it and aren't holed up in some crack den somewhere. Mind you I guess that's the same with everything.

Ron - I'm not talking about addiction and the downside of that. I mean the actual physiological harm caused by (non-OD doses of) an opiate. Which is non-existent, as far as I know. Why, what did you think heroin did to you??

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 3 September 2002 07:36 (twenty-two years ago)

All I know is that on a panel about drugs in comics there was this guy who worked with drug users in some sort of "art therapy" capacity, and he got them to come up with FUNNY real-life drug stories, and they came up with loads, but crack was the only drug they couldn't come up with a funny story for.

Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 3 September 2002 07:49 (twenty-two years ago)

What about PCP?

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 3 September 2002 07:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Nothing could be as addictive as crack is made out to be: it's medically impossible. All drugs stats are suspect for obvious reasons, but I have figures ranging from 2.5% to 17% of people trying crack becoming addicted. You've got to factor in, however, that anyone giving crack a go after the mid-80s did so with the awareness it was going to "enslave" them: there's a whole question of to what extent people ever become addicted to hard drugs "by accident". People I know in London who have tried crack as the ultimate bit of naughty drugs tourism have found it underwhelming, but who knows what they actually bought...

MM, Tuesday, 3 September 2002 08:36 (twenty-two years ago)

That said, the media scare stories might have - for once - had a relatively positive effect, assisting in crack swift slump in the US, and failure to really take off in Europe. This might be because, though exagerrated, the stories were connected to most people's experience: unlike, say, ecstasy coverage, which flies in the face of both stats and what the majority of people who have come into contact with the drug have seen.

MM, Tuesday, 3 September 2002 08:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I lived in a neighborhood that was temporarily dominated by crack dealers (really) and it was not pleasant to deal with the slightly uncoordinated swaggering pipers asking for a quarter sweetie, though at least I was never accosted.

I also had a friend who was a former cocaine addict, who tried crack and enjoyed it, but did not become addicted. (She did later get hooked on tobacco again after smoking pot or hashish in Berlin, where it is apparently always mixed with tobacco.)

I think cocaine in whatever form is potentially very nasty stuff, and my friend's description of her withdraw from cocaine made it sound horrible.

DeRayMi, Tuesday, 3 September 2002 12:14 (twenty-two years ago)

But what is the nastiness? Is it just the fact that users become nasty trying to score their next quarter or is it the drug's intrinsic psychological effects?

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 3 September 2002 12:44 (twenty-two years ago)

what's the point of ignoring things like addiction and overdosing?

ron (ron), Tuesday, 3 September 2002 12:45 (twenty-two years ago)

To be honest these days people are just as much under threat from what are being peddled as legal highs than they are from Johnny Crackdealer. Have a look at this

Lynskey, Tuesday, 3 September 2002 12:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Ron - because I'm interested in the intrinsic physical side effects, not the stuff that goes with it. I guess it's all bound up with the legalisation debate. ODing would hardly ever happen then (the dose multiple for clean heroin that results in an overdose is lower than for say, paracetemol). And addiction is only a problem for one's own morality if obtaining your fix isn't tied up with crime and an empty pocket.

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 3 September 2002 13:09 (twenty-two years ago)

There is nothing like a crack rush while you are getting your booty animalistically hammered with 10 or more inches.

Jackie, Tuesday, 3 September 2002 15:53 (twenty-two years ago)

BEST POST EVER!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 3 September 2002 15:56 (twenty-two years ago)

There was an experiment in an area of Manchester or Liverpool that lasted for years, allowing doctors to prescribe heroin to addicts. I don't recall the figures (I went to a UCL lecture that covered it, and didn't take notes) but the deaths by OD went down from a couple a year to zero in eight years, and various kinds of robbery-type crime in the area dropped by about 80%. The programme was halted after some stories objecting to giving free drugs away. I don't know what Nick's sentence about heroin and paracetamol means, but we were told that an overdose of the latter is significantly more damaging than an overdose of pure heroin.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 3 September 2002 15:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I assume that was Dr John Marks' clinic in Liverpool

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/Misc/60minliv.htm

prescribing heroin to long term users, to be used in a clinic rather than taken away, has been introduced to the Netherlands and has proved a success in reducing crime and the health damage to users. I used to work in a drugs crisis centre and with those convicted of drug related crime in prisons. Crack Cocaine did seem especially voracious in creating dependency, particularly those who combined it with heroin.

stevo (stevo), Tuesday, 3 September 2002 17:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Lynksey's link is killXoring me

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 3 September 2002 17:59 (twenty-two years ago)

. I don't know what Nick's sentence about heroin and paracetamol means, but we were told that an overdose of the latter is significantly more damaging than an overdose of pure heroin.


It meant that assuming you know what you're taking (which obviously with street heroin you don't), you'd have to take many, many times over your normal fix to overdose. 'Many, many' times being more than the multiple required to damage yourself with overdosing on paracetemol, where even a few tablets over the 2 tablets recommended limit can cause liver damage in some people.


Reason for deaths by heroin overdose now: the purity varies hugely.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 4 September 2002 08:32 (twenty-two years ago)

it depends who is taking it! if you have an addictive personality you are in the shit!

leane, Friday, 6 September 2002 15:25 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...
I got a voicemail late last night.

A very old friend did 16 months for 3rd strike possession, released on friday... his father came by his house early tuesday morning to take him to a dentist apartment only to find him lying on the floor in his new apartment, od'd on freebase/crack cocaine, legs blue due to 12 hours of bloodloss, brain dead. The doctors spent 6 hours reviving him, amputating his legs in the process and then pulled the plug.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 9 October 2003 15:27 (twenty-one years ago)

man

adaml (adaml), Thursday, 9 October 2003 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry to hear about your friend,gygax,that's awful news


i was reading ian penman's book the other day,and in it he claims that every single person he knows has tried crack,and it seems to be something that was done for a laugh every so often...
i was fairly surprised by this,i presume it was in media circles in the eighties,i didn't think it was ever really a casual drug...

i think it sounds like an awful drug,and the state of the crackheads in amsterdam was worse even than dublin junkies...

robin (robin), Thursday, 9 October 2003 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)

A million crack whores can't be wrong!


if someone isn't upset by this thread the world shall collapse I tells ya!
-- Julio Desouza (juli...), September 2nd, 2002.

mei (mei), Thursday, 9 October 2003 15:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I've known a fair number of crack smokers in my life, the majority of them British, and they all claim "crack in england is not regarded the way crack is in the US" which I took to be coded racism, ie: "whites smoke it in england so it's alright." Of course a lot of whites smoke crack in the US too but it is generally considered the lowest of the low drugs you can do here and they have given me the sense that this is not so in the UK. Of course they may be full of shit, no idea.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, 9 October 2003 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)

But Kyle, everyone you know is British! :)

No, crack is considered pretty much a low point in the UK too. I know a lot of people who have taken it during prolonged bouts of drug tourism, and they were pretty much excommunicated by everyone that knew them. So, I'd say there's a pretty big stigma, yes.

adaml (adaml), Thursday, 9 October 2003 16:09 (twenty-one years ago)

My British crack addict friends have pulled the wool over my eyes! I fell betrayed!

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, 9 October 2003 16:13 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, they'll do that to you...

adaml (adaml), Thursday, 9 October 2003 16:16 (twenty-one years ago)

You didn't lend them any money did you?

mei (mei), Friday, 10 October 2003 02:36 (twenty-one years ago)

crack heads in being lieras shocker

Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 10 October 2003 02:40 (twenty-one years ago)

three months pass...
REVIVE

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 16 January 2004 23:18 (twenty-one years ago)

It's still bad!

Darcus How? (nordicskilla), Friday, 16 January 2004 23:25 (twenty-one years ago)

like Shaft?

oops (Oops), Friday, 16 January 2004 23:27 (twenty-one years ago)

SHUT YO MOUTH

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 16 January 2004 23:27 (twenty-one years ago)

just talkin' bout crack

oops (Oops), Friday, 16 January 2004 23:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Just look what it did to Oprah, dudes.

Darcus How? (nordicskilla), Friday, 16 January 2004 23:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Bad news.

East Bay Crackhaus (nordicskilla), Friday, 16 January 2004 23:32 (twenty-one years ago)

hmm... just might have something to do with my panic attacks (but I haven't touched the stuff for almost two years).

I have learned that, compared to the majority of other people I've known who've tried hard drugs, my will power is extraordinary. I was able to keep my habit in control, and once I sensed things getting out of hand, I stopped cold turkey. Too few people are able to maintain any sort of control over their use, though.

Aaron A., Saturday, 17 January 2004 01:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Since my previous postings on this subject, I have yet even more british people who smoke crack. I contend that the entire United Kingdom is on the pipe and that is it socially acceptable over there.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Saturday, 17 January 2004 01:36 (twenty-one years ago)

"I have yet even more british people..."

What are they, pets?

East Bay Crackhaus (nordicskilla), Saturday, 17 January 2004 02:00 (twenty-one years ago)

they do best in a terrarium.

I mean I have "met"

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Saturday, 17 January 2004 02:03 (twenty-one years ago)

haha "lieras"

Matt (Matt), Saturday, 17 January 2004 02:49 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry

Matt (Matt), Saturday, 17 January 2004 03:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm just feeling a little superior tonight.

Matt (Matt), Saturday, 17 January 2004 03:01 (twenty-one years ago)

smoking crack will give you that feeling

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Saturday, 17 January 2004 03:24 (twenty-one years ago)

TTSssscchchhhhheeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiighhhhhhhhhhhht. (nk!)

ah

Matt (Matt), Saturday, 17 January 2004 03:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I've never smoked crack. An acquaintance told me it's like when you haven't smoked crystal for a month and finally you do and you feel like you're a foot off the ground, but it only lasts for a few minutes. I've smoked a ton of crystal meth (not at the moment, and not for the past several weeks) and am posting as it's similar to the crack high and similar in the social stigma as well. If I could go back in time and never have done the first hit of crystal I would. There are no words for how addictive it is. I can't tell you how much it's changed me. If I could tell a younger version of myself what I'd go through I'm sure I'd just laugh. You never believe it until you go through it yourself. It's funny that they call it 'partying', as it sure isn't a party. I know this will sound absurd, and I also know it will disuade no one, but say it I will: please don't smoke crystal. It WILL fuck you up.

Craxy, Saturday, 17 January 2004 06:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Seconded.

Allyzay, Saturday, 17 January 2004 06:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Hanging around tweakers was enough to keep me from ever thinking about meth. Some seriously depressing people.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 17 January 2004 17:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I resent that remark

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 17 January 2004 18:17 (twenty-one years ago)

we know you're depressing, J0hn, that's okay, we won't confuse you with a tweaker though.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Saturday, 17 January 2004 18:18 (twenty-one years ago)

outstanding. people with their guard down always leave the pawnable stuff just layin' around in the open.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 17 January 2004 18:22 (twenty-one years ago)

two years pass...
There is nothing like a crack rush while you are getting your booty animalistically hammered with 10 or more inches.
-- Jackie (comfyspar...), September 3rd, 2002.

i guess 8 inches just pales in comparison

timmy tannin (pompous), Saturday, 21 October 2006 15:23 (eighteen years ago)

once again ILX proves that all experiences are improved by assfucking

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 21 October 2006 16:24 (eighteen years ago)

top thread

trying to think of some glib flipness to add to the fun, but sadly i know too many recovering and active users through work.

i've met some great fucking people. really articulate and humane, funny and sweet. kind of folks i would be proud to take round to my folks house and introduce to my mum as friends - OFF DRUGS.

on crack and/or heroin they become a danger to themselves and a danger to society.

quoth one: 'when i drink i get using thoughts. when i use, breaking into someone's house to get money becomes a completely reasonable idea.'

everyone's bracing themselves for the first full-on meth wave here in the uk - yikes, could our inner cities get any more decimated? could our jails get any fuller?

beeble (beeble), Saturday, 21 October 2006 16:44 (eighteen years ago)

see the US.

Sam rides the beat like a bicycle (Molly Jones), Saturday, 21 October 2006 16:47 (eighteen years ago)

could our inner cities get any more decimated?

meth in the US is a surburban/rural problem. Thus the clampdown of Wal-Mart on selling its basic ingredients.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 21 October 2006 16:54 (eighteen years ago)

clapdown on every retailer in the us. have you tried buying OTC allergy medicine lately?

Sam rides the beat like a bicycle (Molly Jones), Saturday, 21 October 2006 16:55 (eighteen years ago)

have you tried buying OTC allergy medicine lately?

Yup. I'm genuinely bitter about this. My head, man, the itching is in my head, it's in my ears man and I need to get well...

hearditonthexico (rogermexico), Saturday, 21 October 2006 18:52 (eighteen years ago)


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