Grad school statement of intent

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What goes into a good statement of intenet as a prepare to apply for grad school? How long should it be, &c?

Leee (Leee), Wednesday, 4 September 2002 01:17 (twenty-three years ago)

For what type of program? Tip: Spell intent correctly on statement.

bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 4 September 2002 02:13 (twenty-three years ago)

personally, i've found that cheap bourbon ("liquid ideas", i like to call the stuff) can write the thesis proposal on its own if it is treated with the respect it deserves

geeta (geeta), Wednesday, 4 September 2002 02:19 (twenty-three years ago)

I have a feeling that it should sound like the only thing you care about in your life is [insert subject you intend to study] and why [insert school you wish to attend] is the best fit for you and your goals, with liberal use of listing professors at that school whose work you admire, etc, and what you hope to achieve while you're there. You could also highlight some of your past studies in this field and how enlightening that has been for you. Whereas in college statements one should sound well-rounded (I think, at least used to be) for grad school they want you to be very focused on the goal at hand. I think 1 page should be fine. This is for graduate work in the liberal arts, btw. Definitely have your friends read your draft and make suggestions.

Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 4 September 2002 02:26 (twenty-three years ago)

if you can say anything very specific about what you want to study in the field, then do. and it wouldn't hurt to tailor what you say to what the faculty there does best. if you sound like you're too interested in things they're just not into, they'll reject you even if they think you're otherwise a good candidate, because there will be others who they think fit in better.

Josh (Josh), Wednesday, 4 September 2002 02:44 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm aiming for an English program, probably Ph.D. Looking at UC Irvine, Cornell, Univ. of Virginia, possibly UMich, and maybe Berkeley and Stanfurd.

Leee (Leee), Wednesday, 4 September 2002 15:52 (twenty-three years ago)

one month passes...
I've actually started composing it (very slowly though), and now I've hit upon a wee snag vis-a-vis Josh's suggestion, "if you can say anything very specific about what you want to study in the field, then do." I do know very specifically what I might do, but I have more than one such choice. So should I list them all, "for Joyce I'd examine this, while my focus on Pynchon is for that, and perhaps Ondaatje/Woolf for the other thing," or does that seem sort of scattered and wishywashy?

Leee (Leee), Monday, 28 October 2002 22:20 (twenty-three years ago)

I would think showing a breadth of knwledge would be a positive. As long as you come across as "this, this, and this realy interest me." as opposed to "I can't decide because I don't really care about anything," you should be golden. Show you have some insight and passion for each route you're considering.

bnw (bnw), Monday, 28 October 2002 22:26 (twenty-three years ago)

a variety seems fine to me, but try to stick to about three substantial-sounding things. say, the sort that sound like they could sustain an entire master's thesis, or even a career. if you can find a way to step up a level and tie your interest in joyce and pynchon together, that might help things seem less scattered. (I don't know about ondaatje but what with joyce woolf and pynchon in there it seems there are plenty of possibilities along these lines.)

Josh (Josh), Monday, 28 October 2002 23:24 (twenty-three years ago)

I agree. Do look at faculty and tailor what you're writing to the strengths of the school. Have you got an advisor or anyone who is au courant in the field to ask about the lowdown on certain programs? Try emailing current grad students or faculty with questions, too.

Er.. something struck me tho - why would you 'probably' want a PhD? Are you thinking of only a master's? What is your goal? Remember, it's a big time commitment, and stipends are not super generous. Plus if you only go for a master's, the odds of getting funding are not so hot, and you'll need a PhD if you want to eventually be a professor..

daria gray (daria gray), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 01:05 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, be clear on whether they fund or accept students differently based on their intent to get a phd or ma. if you think it won't drastically hurt your chances (in the case that they are more selective about phd candidates), then if necessary to improve your chances of funding and/or admission, claim to be seeking a phd when only desiring an ma, assuming they are the sort of program which lets you earn an ma on the way to a phd. (then if you change your mind or want out for some other reason, you still got a degree out of them.) there may be a slight ethical problem with this, but oh well.

Josh (Josh), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 04:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, a bit naive about this whole deal, it *will* be a PhD program. Here's a rough draft of what I have so far, if anyone cares to read and leave feedback:

I have been gradually developing guiding principles into the temporality involved with being a reader (which falls under the general reader-author-text hierarchy – rank them however you’d like to). The groundwork for this fledgling concept is based on mainly on Ulysses and Pynchon’s twin novels, The Crying of Lot 49 and Gravity’s Rainbow, and to lesser extents works ranging from Virginia Woolf’s Mrs. Dalloway to Michael Ondaatje’s In The Skin of a Lion. So far, my belief is that there is a significant, albeit implicit, temporal gap between the reading of a text and the reader’s subsequent comprehension of it. In the interim, the text exerts authority and tacit influence over the otherwise ignorant reader, yet with a savvy and self-aware text like Ulysses, the reader can in turn gain the upperhand in this void space by, to appropriate a line from Lot 49, projecting a world. It’s not so much a contest to see who comes out on top (reader or text), but more like an idealized sporting event in which really who wins or loses doesn’t matter but how the game is played. Without getting too bogged down in details, it’s the very distance between text and reader that affords these transient advantages of one over the other (an idea also supported by the angel imagery in the two Pynchon novels).
Other periphery ideas include the frame which ostensibly limits and filters the narrative reality that a reader experiences (Mrs. Dalloway), but then the reader can transcend the text’s selectivity through the transgressive act of turning the page in a direction other than forward (In the Skin of a Lion). Intriguingly, the achronological series of events in Ondaatje’s novel subverts the linearity found in traditional narrative, even simulating (on a superficial level) a reader skipping around in a book; this structural quirk of Ondaatje’s occurs on the epistemological and linguistic level in Ulysses.

Leee (Leee), Tuesday, 5 November 2002 00:49 (twenty-three years ago)

!!

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 5 November 2002 00:52 (twenty-three years ago)

I know nothing about this whole statement of intent business - in Aus you get into your Masters or PhD and then much later you decide what your thesis will be about in consultation with your supervisor - all you have to do initially is to fill out application forms and have a distinction average

...BUT (without any knowledge of the conventions of writing these things)...

are modifying words like 'gradually', 'generally', 'fledgling' & 'mainly' suitable? To me they make you sound unsure, lacking in confidence and scared to commit yourself to your ideas.

You could take out all four of those words without it affecting the meaning of what you're saying. To take out mainly you would maybe need to change the later wording to '...and also, to a lesser extent, on works...'.

Also, I would use 'works including' rather than 'works ranging from'

Like I said though, I know nothing about what a statement of intent is meant to be like. This is just some food for thought.

toraneko (toraneko), Tuesday, 5 November 2002 01:18 (twenty-three years ago)

this is a good deal more specific than I was expecting. I'm not sure if that's good or bad.

I think I had in mind something that expressed your awareness of an existing problem or thing to study, preferably something appropriate to the faculty at the place you're applying. if you know a bit how to frame your idea in the context of some existing scholarship, that might make them happier. (then again, maybe this is something peculiar to english programs.)

Josh (Josh), Tuesday, 5 November 2002 04:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Leee, I got my master's in English...so have been through what you're doing now...I think the above is very interesting and well written, but it seems more like an example of a writing sample (which you will also have to submit) to me than a statement of intent. If you would like to study modernism and critical theory I would explain that in a more broad way than the above essay does...I think you're statement of intent should touch upon what you have studied as an undergrad (most meaningful work for you) and what you would like to study in grad school, but a bit more overarching...But what do I know? I didn't get in to most of the schools I applied to!

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 5 November 2002 06:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually, looking back on this thread, I can say that statement of intent would definitely get you into UCI...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 5 November 2002 07:02 (twenty-three years ago)

two weeks pass...
Ok, one more time (this is the generic, template statement):

I’ve been a critical reader for only a relatively short time, but it’s irrevocably part of my identity as a student of literature now. I’ve come to this realization during an extended break away from the rigors of academia, during which I experienced that trite old adage, “You never know how much you appreciate something until etc.” Reading for pleasure will always be integral to me, but in those times where I reach a novel’s ending without having underlined or circled a single word, whatever enjoyment I get seems incomplete. The dialogue I open with a novel when I literally take note of it is a separate delight because of the additional interactivity involved. I don’t mean to say that conventional reading isn’t fun, just that its dynamics are more tacit and nebulous. But when I put my critic’s hat on, I don’t just analyze but also synthesize, and this power gives me the thrill of creation.
Obviously from these remarks, ideas about readership fascinate me, around which my intended area of study centers. More specifically, the temporality involved with reading a supposedly linear text has been a concept whose principles I’ve been developing throughout my undergrad career (of course, I had no preconceptions of this idea from the beginning). The novels that have assisted me with this theory come either from the height of Modernism – largely Ulysses, but also Woolf’s To The Lighthouse and Mrs. Dalloway – or from more contemporary fiction – Pynchon’s satellite novels The Crying of Lot 49 and Gravity’s Rainbow and Michael Ondaatje’s In the Skin of a Lion. The Joyce and Pynchon bear the majority of the load. (Even the relative diversity of these works is an area for further examination.)
In addition to the relationship between book and reader and its subsequent temporality, the engagement of minds in discussion over literature is a similar passion of mine. Reading shouldn’t be confined to the private; instead, another context or method of reading can be done in the public forum and the fast exchange of ideas. If only for selfish reasons, this environment is the only one that I can imagine myself in.

Leee (Leee), Monday, 25 November 2002 06:25 (twenty-three years ago)

two years pass...
Say, is it a bad idea to try and be mildly funny??

As in: "After all, beneath my cold and calculating academic exterior lurks the palpitating heart of a fan of TV who just wants to talk about it at length."

Keep the juices flowing by jangling around gentleee as you move (Leee), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 02:06 (twenty years ago)

yes

j b everlovin' r (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 02:21 (twenty years ago)

i think it's beautiful. i was going to write my essay for lawyer school a month ago but i still haven't, and i don't know what to write. :(

caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 02:25 (twenty years ago)

jbr otm

k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 02:28 (twenty years ago)

oh, i thought she was saying yes as in "yes, that's a good idea." but i still like it! it shows that you're enthusiastic about television. they don't mind humor if you aren't too much of a try-hard, i think.

caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 02:30 (twenty years ago)

I think that is too much.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 02:32 (twenty years ago)

i'm a little bit drunk

caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 02:33 (twenty years ago)

grad school sux

Super Cub (Debito), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 02:35 (twenty years ago)

Should I trust the grunk dirl?

Keep the juices flowing by jangling around gentleee as you move (Leee), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 02:36 (twenty years ago)

no i really think it isn't a bad idea to be mildly funny if you really are mildly funny, but maybe, that sentence there isn't good? (though i think it is cuet). i'm not that drunk i just have impaired judgment a little bit

caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 02:39 (twenty years ago)

what's the program?

Super Cub (Debito), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 02:40 (twenty years ago)

Are grad schools really looking for people who are "funny"? The anecdotal evidence suggests the contrary. Either that, or they really ought to rejigger their recruiting methodology in this area.

k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 03:07 (twenty years ago)

No

dar1a g (daria g), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 03:14 (twenty years ago)

grad school is a pretty broad category to be making generalizations about.

Super Cub (Debito), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 03:25 (twenty years ago)

Obviously an academically-trained mind mocking our puny illogical "folk" reasoning.

k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 03:27 (twenty years ago)

Clearly. Now back to my literature review of academic articles.

Super Cub (Debito), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 03:29 (twenty years ago)

It is hard to be funny in grad school. Oh, you might start off funny - a lot of people do - but then funny isn't funny anymore. I'm just saying grad school can fuck a person up. So you're fucked up for a while and then you realize you've been fucked up, so you get sort of mad and then happy to actually feel something again and OWN IT and either that's the impetus you need to cut back on all the drinking/tv/obsessing/being-fucked-upness and get the fucking thesis done, either happily and/or grindingly. The funniness comes back, and it's sweet.

Anyway, rather than being funny, just go for enthusiastic, interested with a purpose, willing and ready to learn and discuss and build upon the ideas you already have (that's where you show that you're smart smart smart to begin with.)

Okay, going back to visual rhetoric immersion now.

rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 05:04 (twenty years ago)

haha my statement of intent is the part of my application(s) i'm LEAST worried about!

j b everlovin' r (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 05:08 (twenty years ago)

i reckon my statement of intent is the key thing that got me accepted to law school because i had to explain the failures in an earlier aborted arts degree at the same uni. so no funnies on mine. wouldn't it depend on what course you were applying for though?

gem (trisk), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 05:13 (twenty years ago)

Let me generalize once again and say that grad school is also pretty great. Good luck, Leeee and jbr! Yeah, the letter of intent is important but nothing to fret about - "be yourself!" but be the self that knows you're awesome - show that you have critical thinking skills and good ideas - get someone to proofread it. I guess it's one of the only things in your application that you have control over though! I mean, your grades are a fact, your portfolio is of stuff already written, and ref letters are out of your hands. Now you hope that your profile fits with the program you're applying to and works for at least one of the profs - that's kind of key.
(I worked in a grad resource centre for a while, hence my weird counsellor-like tone... which is skewed by tiredness and BOOKS right now.)

rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 05:23 (twenty years ago)

I dreaded having to write statements of intent ... I wrote one for Toronto that basically said "I have no idea what I want to do, so tough shit".

The day after I submitted this, I got a call saying that the grad chair of the department wanted to see me. I figured I'd gone too far and prepared myself for the bad news. Instead he was all like "we got your letter and we understand completely. Lots of students have difficulty choosing a field when they enter grad school". Then he pulled out a schedule and said that he wanted to arrange for me to meet some professors in very well-funded fields.

I felt a bit bad for being such a dick about the whole thing, but I was grateful for the way things turned out.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 05:25 (twenty years ago)

haha canada

geoff (gcannon), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 05:27 (twenty years ago)

I dreaded having to write statements of intent ... I wrote one for Toronto that basically said "I have no idea what I want to do, so tough shit".

i know exactly what i want to do (and my head is already filled with fancy book-learnin' jargon), so i think i have a leg up on many other applicants.

j b everlovin' r (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 05:30 (twenty years ago)

xpost

In the US, many students aren't required to specialize in the sciences until their second or third year of grad school, so the content of the statement of intent (if required) is more or less immaterial.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 06:04 (twenty years ago)

that's not really true. you're thinking of undergrad.

j b everlovin' r (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 06:07 (twenty years ago)

No, this happens in grad school too, and quite commonly from what I've been told (I'm sure it's field-dependent though, e.g. life vs physical sciences).

Incoming students get swamped with courses and TA work, then they have to pass their qualifying exams (of which there is basically no equivalent in Canada), and only then can they focus most of their attention on research.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 06:16 (twenty years ago)

From what I've heard, that's basically the case in the horrible, nebulous field of the humanities. A 3rd year LInguistics PhD in my dorm last year still wasn't sure what he'd dissertate on, as an instance.

Actually my big concern is letters of recommendation; I'm not entirely certain that my profs are wholly on top of things, and I suppose I'm displacing my anxiety instead of bugging them about it.

Keep the juices flowing by jangling around gentleee as you move (Leee), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 06:23 (twenty years ago)

maybe so, but admissions dudes want applicants to have some idea of what they want to focus on, so they can determine whether the program's a good match and in general that the applicant's not just some slacker that woke up one morning and said "uh, this field sounds sorta interesting, i think i'll pursue it." a lot of grad programs are geared towards phasing the student into professional work, with the idea being that there should be a minimum of introductory theory.

j b everlovin' r (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 06:24 (twenty years ago)

xpost

j b everlovin' r (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 06:24 (twenty years ago)

i'm anxious about the recs too, mainly b/c i'm shy and i hate making those kinds of requests of people who are already very busy.

j b everlovin' r (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 06:25 (twenty years ago)

On that note, it's their part of their jobs to write that, so you shouldn't feel like you're imposing. Still, I'm sensitive in this case about bugging them too much, because I feel that I don't feel that I've held up my end in terms of reminding them on a consistent basis.

Keep the juices flowing by jangling around gentleee as you move (Leee), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 06:29 (twenty years ago)

i'm not asking my former professors... i've been out of school too long. a couple of my favorite profs passed away!

j b everlovin' r (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 06:30 (twenty years ago)

Former bosses then? I don't know from the real world, but don't they write recommendations as well on a somewhat regular basis?

Keep the juices flowing by jangling around gentleee as you move (Leee), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 06:33 (twenty years ago)

Former bosses then

and current, but yeah, that's the idea.

j b everlovin' r (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 06:34 (twenty years ago)

maybe so, but admissions dudes want applicants to have some idea of what they want to focus on, so they can determine whether the program's a good match and in general that the applicant's not just some slacker that woke up one morning and said "uh, this field sounds sorta interesting, i think i'll pursue it."

You're right, they do want to approximate who will study what, but students are encouraged to shop themselves around upon arriving. Over the past few years, our department has been encouraging new students to *not* decide on a supervisor until the end of first year, which is really unusual for a Canadian school.

$$$ is something of an equilizer ... the best students will have many prospective supervisors in well-funded fields, whereas others might not be able to work for their first (or second or ...) choice of supervisor, and could find themselves SOL trying to find work that really interests them. That's grad school, I guess, although most of the time everything matches up fairly well.

Re: ref letters, most people have no problem writing letters for just about anybody ... or stated differently, there are a lot of dumbasses out there who procure glowing letters of reference. So you have every right to get yours too (added bonus if you aren't a dumbass :) )

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 06:43 (twenty years ago)

Over the past few years, our department has been encouraging new students to *not* decide on a supervisor until the end of first year, which is really unusual for a Canadian school.

some of the schools i've looked at are asking -- as part of the application process! -- for a short list of the faculty members we'd be most interested in working with.

j b everlovin' r (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 06:53 (twenty years ago)

Former bosses then

See, I'm glad that I've kept in regular touch with my favorite college professor, because I don't know that my current boss would be able to evaluate me as a person, considering a) I hardly interact with her, and b) I'm sort of a slacker at work, anyway. Maybe my old boss would do, but she's a total fruit loop.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 06:58 (twenty years ago)

here's a question that's been burning a hole through my brain: what's the consensus on reference letters that aren't strictly "educational" or "professional," but more like a personal reference from someone who works in your chosen field?

j b everlovin' r (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 07:01 (twenty years ago)

cuz i've known such a person for a lotta years and he could write me a SERIOUSLY nice letter.

j b everlovin' r (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 07:02 (twenty years ago)

Barry OTM on all counts. People stress over their statement of purpose only to find out that the actual faculty never read it unless they were on the admissions committee that year, and even then did so fully aware that you don't know what the hell you are talking about because you're an undergrad and you'll figure it out once you get there. They just want to see if you are articulate and can formulate a reasonable research interest, ANY interest within the broad scope of the present faculty interests. You shop yourself afterwards--it's called "finding an advisor".

Orbit (Orbit), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 07:04 (twenty years ago)

what's the consensus on reference letters that aren't strictly "educational" or "professional," but more like a personal reference from someone who works in your chosen field?

In general, I think that seniority trumps familiarity ... that is, you're better off getting a letter from a more senior person who might not know you too well than you are with a letter from somebody who has worked closely with you and/or works in your desired field and knows you well.

This is kinda an extension of what I wrote a few posts upthread ... pretty much everybody will have great references (even if they're morons), so you might as well get yours from a former employer whose name and title will carry some weight, rather than from a personal reference who has never worked with you directly (or indirectly). (u

(unless, perhaps, the personal reference you had in mind is a major bigwig in the field).

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 07:19 (twenty years ago)

They don't even read the letters, they just look at who they are from, mostly. Better a professor than anyone else, a tenured prof, from a name school, or someone who is known by the school to which one is applying--unless you are in something like writing, when a letter from an author would help.

Most profs will write you letters if you haven't seen them for years if you give them one of your term papers you did for them, your draft statement of purpose, and a transcript.

Orbit (Orbit), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 07:26 (twenty years ago)

I could tell you the foolproof way to get into a PhD program, but then I'd have to kill you.

Orbit, Ph.D. (Orbit), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 07:30 (twenty years ago)

I've been told the exact opposite with recommendations! That it's better to get a recommendation from someone who's less "name" but who knows you well enough to provide a glowing letter.

Keep the juices flowing by jangling around gentleee as you move (Leee), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 07:51 (twenty years ago)

TEH ADMISSIONS PROCESS IS ALL A GAME DO YOU SEE

the departments don't actually want good people, they just wanna fuck with our heads, man.

j b everlovin' r (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 07:59 (twenty years ago)

It all really depends on where you're planning on going. A typical Canadian grad program (I did my PhD there) would want to see some sort of awareness of the respective field, at least in the humanities and some sense of where your work might fit into it (identifying gaps, etc.). As most grad programs are course-based, the expectation would be that your advisor would be sorted out over your first year, once you've had a chance to acquaint yourself with the faculty. You should demonstrate in your letter some sense of the faculty's interests and, more importantly, be able to state clearly why you've chosen that department. They do like to be flattered.

Here in New Zealand, it's a bit more lax in many respects, but also quite rigorous. I'm seeing a student through the process at the moment and she's expected to put together a detailed plan of attack, which includes an annotated bibliography, abstract, time-line, etc. I'm inclined to think that in a thesis-based, one-year MA degree, this is the way to go as it cuts to the chase pretty much straight away. You do lose out on the collegiality bit (i.e. serious drinking), which is unfortunate.

Guymauve (Guymauve), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 23:21 (twenty years ago)

four years pass...

So, uh, how do you usually format these? I wrote a good page or so only to find out I had done it all wrong. How much time should you spend before just jumping into what you're going to do there?

I'm banishing you to a time warp from which you will never return (EDB), Friday, 13 August 2010 22:17 (fifteen years ago)

Several years, working in a bar or cafe. Repeats afterward.

paulhw, Friday, 13 August 2010 22:22 (fifteen years ago)

touché.

I'm banishing you to a time warp from which you will never return (EDB), Friday, 13 August 2010 22:29 (fifteen years ago)


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