RFI: Japanese language evening classes in London

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I have made it my immediate ambition to try and learn Japanese and wonder whether any London posters know any good evening classes to which I could go.

I would very much like to read Japanese literature in the original language as I feel an awful lot is missed out when reading English translations. It is worse when you are trying to get into a really great writer like Banana Yoshimoto but are scuppered by "American" translations. Somehow I think that expressions like "the gods are ASSHOLES!" are not quite what she intended. Want to try to understand more about how the Japanese think and therefore appreciate their art/music/literature properly.

There are "learn Japanese" sites on the web but I think I really need to hear the language and have it physically taught to me to learn it properly.

Just very straightforward and reasonably priced evening classes are all I'm looking for. Anyone got any ideas?

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 4 September 2002 06:29 (twenty-three years ago)

plus of course my favourite Belgian would like to email/talk to me in Japanese heh heh ;-)

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 4 September 2002 06:32 (twenty-three years ago)

City Lit runs good courses though they book up early. SOAS LAnguage Centre is also good - possibly pricey and possibly more conversational based. (Both are on the web for more details). Or its off to Floodlight with you.

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 4 September 2002 07:53 (twenty-three years ago)

M - my friend C is/was learning Japanese at evening class. I will get details and e-mail you.

I also know someone who's doing a crash course as he is going to be working in Tokyo for the foreign office. I imagine that this is being done privately, but will find out info about books etc if you like.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 4 September 2002 07:59 (twenty-three years ago)

hi marcello

i'm pretty certain all our (ie the c!ty l!t, where i work) beginners japanese (and frankly every other language) are full up, I can check in the morning. you can look up courses on hot courses or try calling learn direct on 0800 100900. i think i've been working in FE for too long...

CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Wednesday, 4 September 2002 18:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Good luck, Marcello! I live in NY so can't help re classes, but studying Japanese is fun, and I've learned a lot from it so I hope you pursue this and enjoy it.

Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 4 September 2002 23:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Sorry Marcello, as I thought, ours for september are full, and there isn't another complete beginners til May for some reason...

CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Thursday, 5 September 2002 13:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Thanks for looking anyway Steve, I'll see if there's anything else going.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 5 September 2002 13:14 (twenty-three years ago)

three years pass...
I'm debating whether to take up Japanese classes this year but have a feeling that without any daily contact with the language I won't ever make any progress.
Does somebody have any insight on this?

Baaderonixx and the hedonistic gluttons (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 09:31 (twenty years ago)

Well that came to something in the end didn't it? :-(

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 09:33 (twenty years ago)

I will teach you Japanese. Unfortunately I live in Japan though.

How much could I get teaching Japanese privately if I lived in London? (Trained teacher/certificates/interested in something different)

Good Dog (Good Dog), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 09:41 (twenty years ago)

When I did Japanese evenng classes - at City uni, which does a very good course - it was kind of slow going; you do make progress, even without daily contact, but doesn't go in as well as when you've classes every day or live in Japan. It's a good way to start, though.

I don't think there's that much of a market in teaching it, sadly.

spontine (cis), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 10:28 (twenty years ago)

I've studied it a little and it's one of the hardest languages to learn.

k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 11:57 (twenty years ago)

Whey did I choose the word "and"?

k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 11:58 (twenty years ago)

really? why so? I don't think japanese is that hard. it's certainly not up there with dutch. :-) (i'm not making this up, i once read that dutch is much harder than japanese.) true, mastering it well is not that easy - especially if you also want to study kanji - but basic japanese is not that difficult. then again, people always tell me i'm good at languages...

my favourite course book was the yale japanese language course book. even studying it on my own was easy.

the best thing EVAH is having a private teacher. yes, it's expensive but you'll progress much faster. what we (my mum and i) did (in the beginning): paying a belgian student who was still studying japanese. it was great for him cause he could revise and earn money. :-)

i miss my professor japanese. one of the best i ever had but he died of cancer. :-((((((((((((((

(marcello, if you're reading this, i'm going to send you that robyn cd and reply to your email! my parents just came back from japan for a couple of days so i was away from the computah!)

nathalie (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 12:04 (twenty years ago)

(that said, i forgot most japanese. just enough to order some food and serve the clients in the shop.)

nathalie (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 12:05 (twenty years ago)

really? why so? I don't think japanese is that hard. it's certainly not up there with dutch. :-) (i'm not making this up, i once read that dutch is much harder than japanese.)
This is crazy, nathalie. For the language learner Dutch is, like many Germanic languages, an easier version of German. The only way that Dutch is a hard language to learn is that it is too boring to be bothered to learn it.


It is easy to learn beginners Japanese, because they dumb it down for you. But once you try to get into the real deal, you realize that you've been misinformed. Other languages, you get some minimum level ofcompetence and you have a fighting chance to keep improving.

k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 12:13 (twenty years ago)

Well, I read it in an article on languages. They did some list of languages (going from hardest to easiest). Japanese was lower than Dutch. Fuck knows how they reached that conclusion. Maybe they didn't take into account the first langugae of the learner? I don't know. You could be right. Whatever. :-)

I never really had to learn the dumbed down version of Japanese though. Thank god. I immediately started learning with that student and later on took a course at university. No "watashi wa anata o aimasu."

nathalie (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 12:21 (twenty years ago)

The only way that Dutch is a hard language to learn is that it is too boring to be bothered to learn it.

No no! You're wrong! Belgians are boring! The language is okay. ;-)

nathalie (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 12:22 (twenty years ago)

I found it hard to learn, not because it's inherently difficult if you were starting with a blank slate, but because it's so different from any Western language I'd studied before. And no other language I'd studied required using four different writing systems!

I don't know if you could make a living as a private Japanese teacher but if you had a teaching qualification you might get hourly-paid work teaching evening classes. In any big city you'd find a BIT of demand for private tuition I reckon.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 12:22 (twenty years ago)

If you need conversation practice, their are loads of Japanese students at SOAS who need a language swop with English.

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 12:28 (twenty years ago)

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Yes, that was hard. I didn't have much problems until I had to study the different levels of politeness. ECK! I think I had an easier time because I had read about culture and how Japanese people think. (Even a book on how they raise children.)

nathalie (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 12:29 (twenty years ago)

Hmm. The US Foreign Service Institute classifies Dutch as a Category I language, the easiest to learn, and Japanese as Category III, the hardest to learn. It is true that if you have the time and the money and a good teacher, you can progress very fast with a private tutor.

k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 12:36 (twenty years ago)

xpost:
But yeah, once you start learning the different levels of politeness and the different verbs for giving and getting depending on the relative status of the giver and the getter as in-group or out-group AND within the group, then you're talking. Did you start writing in kanji right away?

k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 12:38 (twenty years ago)

Hmm, I spent two years with a private tutor, 3 hours a week, trying to learn German (which I had already studied for 5 years), to absolutely no avail...

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Baaderonixx and the hedonistic gluttons (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 12:44 (twenty years ago)

I think there's gotta be a harmonic convergence of things for it to work right, Baaderonixx. Sometimes the student is not in the right frame of mind, but really I think a lot of people who tutor just don't have the teaching gene.

k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 12:46 (twenty years ago)

speaking as a linguist and somebody who studied japanese for three or four years, japanese pronunciation and grammar aren't actually all that difficult for native english speakers. but if your goal is to be able to read japanese literature, be prepared for many years of dedicated studying. at my peak i knew the two syllabaries like the back of my hand and had working knowledge of 400-500 kanji... i still couldn't read a newspaper or even comic books aimed at preteens. and by "couldn't read" i don't mean i was unable to translate them... i mean it was a struggle to even read the sentences out loud, nevermind comprehend them.

of course i might have just sucked at it, but my japanese profs said i was above average. by way of comparsion, my mother in the same amount of time became so fluent in dutch the locals didn't believe her when she said she wasn't a native.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 12:47 (twenty years ago)

Did you start writing in kanji right away?

Nope. I think we started after about three or four months. As my visual memory is ab-so-lu-te-ly crap, I had a very hard time writing the kanjis. Recognizing the kanjis is of course easier.

nathalie (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 12:50 (twenty years ago)

darren to thread! (he's on holiday just now though unfortunately)

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:25 (twenty years ago)

oooh actually i may be getting confused

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)


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