[ADMIN] Future hosting of ILX on Amazon

As you might know, since the last server died we have switched to running on Amazon's servers. There were a few headaches during the switch (and some smaller problems still to iron out), but so far it seems to be going quite well.

It's a bit early to know the costs, but it looks like they'll be $100-$150 a month, which compares pretty well with what we paid before, and we don't have to worry about hardware any more, either.

We get big discounts on Amazon if we can pay a year in advance, so what I'd like to do next is get together a year's worth of hosting costs. I'll use the same paypal-based drive we used before. Last time some people asked for a bit more warning on a fund drive, so we'll start it next Tuesday, Jan 17.

sweet! btw stet, do you know why "ilxor.com" and "www.ilxor.com" appear to be different insofar as links clicked in one instance don't appear brown in the other

it's because your browser sees them as different sites. It's handy, especially if you're a mod, because you can be logged in as an admin on one and as a normal user on the other.

good going stet, will pledge one one trillionth of ilx's ongoing maintenance funds next week xx

nice1 stet thanks for handling the sitch

yeah out of interest i seem to get logged out if somebody posts a link to the other ilx site but it's not a problem

It's not that you get logged out exactly - if you hit back you'll still be logged in. It's that the link takes from (eg) ilxor.com where you are logged in to www.ilxor.com where you aren't.

www is so dumb they never shouldve made that part of the internet

yeah i figured, assuming i'm logged in at both sites i don't notice tbh.

anyway cheers for sorting this nightmarish time-hoover

xpost XD

bump so people know we'll probably do this tomorrow

how many amazon points do we get for each post?

www is so dumb they never shouldve made that part of the internet

^^ obv someone who never spent much time with software engineers.

doesnt berners lee say the same thing nowadays

i remem in late 90s when bbc tv presenters rly seemed to resent having to say aitch tee tee pee colon FORWARD SLASH FORWARD SLASH every time

then someone told them they didnt have to say that, but they had to say the www

*itchy paypal finger* One day to go!

could always just go phpBB route and donate the rest of the money to the Ilxians In Desperate Need fund, co-sponsored by ilxor himself

doesnt berners lee say the same thing nowadays

Sure, with the benefit of hindsight...

But originally? I expect he thought it over for a whole hour, maybe two, decided it was a good idea based on his first notions, plugged it in, and just plowed right ahead with the design. Later, when he showed it to other software engineers in the early stages, I confidently imagine not one of them paid the slightest attention to this design feature (or "guy" in SE-Speak), other than to accept his explanation for its inclusion. Next they all went bonkers over the "cool", "neat" "stuff" in it.

It made much more sense at the time, when ppl had eg ftp.ilxor.com, gopher.ilxor.com, smtp.ilxor.com. It was only dumb because he also added http://

The sports talk show host I used to work with would say "'The Three Ws', then ksyg.com."

but (splutters) the hypertext transfer protocol was, like, a whole new language protocol and you had to alert the interpreter to its presence, and the COLON was a common delimiter, and FORWARD SLASH FORWARD SLASH was unlikely to be reproduced by accidental keystrokes, and the DOUBLEYEW DOUBLEYEW DOUBLEYEW flagged the requirement to prepare for remote content aceess and identified which kind! Al this unique addressing rigamarole made it so much more extensible in the future!

or something like that

Yeh in case people tried to access www.ilxor.com via FTP or do http over port 80.

The combination of reserved ports and sub-domain conventions more than does the job.

aimless://aww.ilxor.com

That was "or do http over port 22" xp

i'm donating less after this

you'll be using the gopher site then

MOD BRUTALITY

round-necks are much nicer than v-necks. i don't know enough about clothes to do the maths regarding how you combine them with other things and how maybe you have to settle to get a better combo, of less desirable individual parts, but v-necks can be a little weird. round-necks (is that what they're called) are just less jarring.

^^otm

^^notm

^^osm

suggest cardigan

we'll start it next Tuesday, Jan 17.

At what time GMT, pls? Its just, for us Aussies, it isnt not getting a heads up, its the fact youse always do this at the exact window we're all asleep, and the drive is over wihtin hours and we never get a chance. I'm not sitting up til 3am to throw money at ILX.

would 9pm GMT/8am EDT be too early?

i can do 10pm GMT/9am EDT/5pm EST -- the last few runs have all been evening UK time so that seems fair.

No that works! I'm usually on at that time having my breakfast (so that would be 8am Weds morning our time then?)

Wolfram Alpha says 10 pm GMT (I don't know what those other times are) is 9 am AEDT

ahh, EDT is an Aus time, soz

I'll do 8am Trayce time.

9pm GMT/8 am EDT/4pm EST.

I will be on a tram at that time but will endeavour to fling cash.

it'll probably run for at least a few hours if not longer. it has done before.

I'll just leave this here:

I'll doan extra seeing as Ive missed every other drive!

Is it possible for you to post the paypal details now, stet? Would save us a load of fartarsing around in the morning.

Ah hm... I dont need a paypal account do I? I dont have one.

no, you can use a credit card on the form i think.

AA I'll email you now

I can't contribute just yet, but can I in February? I really want to help out but I'm about to be on the road again.

let's see how tomorrow goes -- i don't want to stack cash up unnecessarily. i'll only spend it on chips.

Cheers stet.

iirc i read somewhere that TBL wishes he'd gone with http://com/ilxor/blah

Has anyone ever put a port in a publically-disseminated URL?
cough cough 8080 cough

Tracer yeah, that's what I mean, I think - www.ilxor.com is the ILX website, ftp.ilxor.com is the ILX ftp site, ftp://ftp.ilxor.com gets you the standard ftp interface, http://ftp.ilxor.com gets you richer access to the files.

stet - Sure, but is there anyone with an advertised URL with the port in, which won't also work without the port? We use 8080 all the time when we're making websites, but all of our clients hide it behind another site on 80 (IE port optional) for the public url.

No, nobody advertises ports, but we're talking about a hypothetical world where "http://"; had never existed. What should happen in that world is an ftp client pointed to ftp.ilxor.com/foo/blah would go to port 21, while a browser pointed there would try port 80, then fall back to 21 if there was no http server.

There's really no need for a protocol specifier at any time. Only in the super-edge case of "want a web browser to do ftp to a server that also has http on ftp.*" would you do ftp.ilxor.com:21/foo/blah

Weird, I can see the Google ad from work (on Chrome) but not from home (Firefox) even though I am pretty sure I don't have any blocking extensions installed since it's a brand new laptop.

Anyway, we agreed 9:00 p.m. GMT, right?

Morning lads! *waves*

sup

So whens the donate page going up? I gotta go to work soon :/

sorry, battling with idiot widget here http://ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=40&threadid=90604

Haha no worries - donated now! :D thanks for accomodating us roobashers.

thanks for accomodating us roobashers.

^^^^^^^

...ended up being half an hour late for work, oops :(

If I donate, I want a tote bag

here ya go:

http://www.portlandmercury.com/images/blogimages/2010/04/20/1271816235-tote-bag-1.jpg

NOW PAY UP!!

Right, we're on the new-new Amazon server. Seems fast to me, let's see how it goes.

Sandboxers: sorry, few hours of downtime while this beds in.

Seems pretty sharp from here!

new-new!

Damn, this thing know what I'm going to post before I do!

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumblarge_512/1276510861zp1q5c.jpg

92 out of 100 on Google Page Speed test, too.

What does that test?

holy sh

it thats

fast

Mostly sensible stuff like "do you have compression on?" but some of the categories include stuff like the time it takes for them to download the complete page etc. xp

I see. What's their beef with the remaining eight points then?

this is nice! thankig u!

woah O_O

I see. What's their beef with the remaining eight points then?

What a cheek. There are only about ten lines of Javascript in it. In any event compressing it will minify it. I claim 100%.

http://coghillcartooning.com/images/art/cartooning/character-design/speed-freak-cartoon-character.jpg

NEED MORE SPEED NEED NEED FASTER FAST FASTER NEED MOAR SPEEDSPEEDSPEED CMON FASTER

By god this really is fast. Zing is virtually instant.

Guys, my page refreshes are taking 0.74 sec. This is unacceptable, I have to work to do ffs.

zero to clusterfuck in 3.6 seconds

yeah this is pretty badass guys

It looks much healthier, stet. It is clearing garbage way in advance of it filling up with memory, unlike in the last few weeks.

It's so fast it's like none of you are real and I've been posting to an locally stored HTML document all along #tylerdurdentylerdurdentylerdurden

woohoo!

"we were gods. the speed, the power, it went straigh to our heads. we thought we had ushered in a new era free of lag and image loading times. we raised stet above all others.

and then... then the xposts started"

I am NEVER getting xposted EVER AGAIN

wow this is cool--thanks very much stet and well done everyone making it so we could buy expensive shit

It's so fast I just replied to the message below me...

Thanks Stet!

Super fast.

Scientists at CERN want their neutrinos back.

worried bout the damage a choice zing could cause at this pace tbh i think we should all maybe feel our way round quite carefully the next few days

It's so fast I exceeded the speed of light, travelling back in time and accidentally killed all eight of my great-grandp...

it finishes my sentences before I start them it's so fast that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjCRUvX2D0E

Sandbox is back: http://sandbox.ilxor.com/sandbox/

Huzzah for stet!