origin of AIDS: "it was one guy screwing a monkey"

http://www.nashvillescene.com/pitw/archives/2012/01/26/stacey-campfield-on-the-origins-of-aids-it-was-one-guy-screwing-a-monkey

Most people realize that AIDS came from the homosexual community — it was one guy screwing a monkey, if I recall correctly, and then having sex with men. It was an airline pilot, if I recall. My understanding is that it is virtually — not completely, but virtually — impossible to contract AIDS through heterosexual sex...very rarely [transmitted]. What's the average lifespan of a homosexual? it's very short. Google it yourself."

best use of "IIRC" ever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ga%C3%ABtan_Dugas&oldid=420463332

man fuck that guy

no thanks!

guy monkey

It could have been a drug user who shared needles w/a monkey, no?

also let's be real here it was probably a chimp not a monkey

i heard u can get it from shaking hands w/a monkey

No no no it's from sharing a toilet seat with a monkey...

just to be clear here, the most likely culprit was bushmeat, not monkey-fucking.

whatever u want to call it man

hehe "bushmeat"

This reminds me of those SPIN reports from the early nineties purporting to tell The Real Story.

oh man, i remember those

iirc Spin said it was a government conspiracy? or that HIV doesn't cause AIDS?

I heard chimps would put tainted needles in pay phone change receptacles in order to infect the Monkees.

spin twitters those things these days iirc

xp Careless Tork costs lives.

or that HIV doesn't cause AIDS?

^^^it was this

alternate theory was to blame "environmental factors" (ie, promiscuous sex, drug use) that damaged the immune system so badly they developed the symptoms of AIDS

somehow George. H.W. Bush was responsible. Having sex with Barbara released HIV microbes into the atmosphere, later breathed in by gay men.

perhaps the most irritating thing is that this dude's nonsense isn't even internally consistent. he seems to be aware that penetrative sex rarely leads to transmission (hence the "My understanding is that it is virtually — not completely, but virtually — impossible to contract AIDS through heterosexual sex...very rarely [transmitted]" bit), in which case if a monkey was going to have transmitted the virus to humans via sex, the monkey would most likely had to have fucked the gay man in order to transmit the virus, not the other way around.

I'm thinking about this too much.

the monkey would most likely had to have fucked the gay man in order to transmit the virus, not the other way around.

your point?

the Gridler

I'm thinking about this too much.

― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, January 27, 2012 5:20 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

mmmm

i think that point is self evident

there are some sicko monkeys out there

the Gridler

― buzza, Friday, January 27, 2012 5:22 PM (39 seconds ago) Bookmark

your point?

well the real culprit isn't the gay man, it's the vicious, diseased rapist monkey!

well the real culprit isn't the gay man, it's the vicious, diseased rapist monkey!

― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, January 27, 2012 4:24 PM (16 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

worst sherlock holmes mystery ever

It's the gay guy's fault for dressing like a sexy monkey.

Oh so the guy was a furry as well?

he seems to be aware that penetrative sex rarely leads to transmission (hence the "My understanding is that it is virtually — not completely, but virtually — impossible to contract AIDS through heterosexual sex...very rarely [transmitted]" bit)

i am clarifying for myself here not picking you up on anything but the use of the word 'aware' above is throwing me off - afaik "penetrative sex rarely leads to transmission" is not true. right; this isn't a part you're conceding to his admittedly otherwise warped logic. i just wanna clarify for myself bc it's weird to see it.

I haven't worked in the HIV/AIDS industry in 15+ years but my understanding is that the likelihood of the HIV virus being transmitted from the receptive to the penetrative partner via vaginal/hetero sex is, in fact, really low. maybe stats have changed in the intervening period, I haven't kept up.

which (I think) is the factoid the quoted dude is admittedly mangling

This was a pretty good take on the origins of AIDS:

http://www.radiolab.org/2011/nov/14/aids/

I haven't worked in the HIV/AIDS industry in 15+ years but my understanding is that the likelihood of the HIV virus being transmitted from the receptive to the penetrative partner via vaginal/hetero sex is, in fact, really low. maybe stats have changed in the intervening period, I haven't kept up.

ty for this, i appreciate it. i did some training in this a while ago & don't really remember an emphasis on 'really low', though i understand it might be less common - it was made easier to understand, to me, when it was broken down to a focus on mucous membranes, i think, the concentration of which in different areas correlated w/likelihood of transmission, & which was still an issue in the formula you mention. would welcome anyone else's expertise here fwiw.

I heart radiolab

Yup, was going to post the Radiolab link, too. Excellent piece (to this layman, at least).

I haven't worked in the HIV/AIDS industry in 15+ years but my understanding is that the likelihood of the HIV virus being transmitted from the receptive to the penetrative partner via vaginal/hetero sex is, in fact, really low. maybe stats have changed in the intervening period, I haven't kept up.

― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 January 2012 22:53 (20 minutes ago) Permalink

yes, this is a fact which I think some people try to downplay because they're worried it would lead to hetero people being dismissive of STD risks.

WOULD U EVER GO TO A GAY BEACH DURING MOSQUITO SEASON?

look at every HIV outbreak in the porn industry: it's always one male and then a bunch of females he performed with. Hetero men lucked out w/r/t HIV.

xp

*throws condoms into the ocean*

nah bro you'll get warts or somethin'

plus what if you get super drunk and you want to take a walk on the wild side

troo

is the wild side gay sex

take a walk (sex) on the wild side (gay sex)

plus what if you get super drunk and want to take a sex on the gay sex

what if you get super drunk and want to gay sex a monkey

def. wrap it up for monkeysex

I thought the laughter was p innocuous but I gotta admit plax is completely on point

(sorry Je55e)

dudes fucking monkeys will never not be funny, no one can ever take that away from us

Co-sign with everything judith said, which is all totally right. This thread is reaffirming a whole way of thinking that has been having negative effects for decades. If you find my "condescending BS" or pulling hail marys offensive, then that's your own problem. History doesn't go away so that we can have lolz.

This thread is reaffirming a whole way of thinking

WHAT way of thinking?

actually, add to that question another one: and how do jokes on this thread reaffirm that way of thinking? please be as clear and straightforward as possible in your answer. so far i can't grasp exactly what you arguing.

to just, like, ridicule this mans words is kindof to ridicule what the AIDS crisis is, the event and its representation collapsing into each other.

this is completely insane. just fyi.

Can a mod just ban me from this thread so that I don't continue to just waste everyone's time.

that's sort of defeatist. i'm not irritated by your posts or anything, i just don't really understand where you're coming from.

FWIW I agree with most (if not all) of what EDB and Plax have said throughout and think that making those points would be a necessary thing to do in some contexts. I do not, however, think that it was necessarily called for on this particular thread. Sometimes people need to be able to get angry and say - "Hey, get a load of this jerkface" and in this instance I don't think that's a dangerous thing.
As someone who has both studied and worked in sexual health, these are issues that are of both interest and importance to me and I am acutely aware of the value in recognizing the history and origins of the myths surrounding HIV when it comes to policy and programming decision making. TBH, it was the tone of EDB's original protestation that bothered me the most esp considering that there were some interesting discussions starting to happen within the thread that he seemed to ignore entirely. It just came off as really unnecessary and self-righteous to me within the context of this thread.

that's sort of defeatist.

Well duh...

Where I'm coming from is that, at least in the 80s, AIDS policy was largely shaped not just at some grand top-down level, but at the level of the public. It seems like the whole lol-monkeysex thing is an echo of lol-gayplague or whatever dismissmals that ignored the extent to which those attitudes created the realities of the cultural existence of the epidemic. This is what I meant by "way of thinking."

If I sounded condescending then I sincerely apologize. That wasn't my intention. As I said at the beginning "I'm not trying to be a party pooper, just saying that cathartic diss sessions have their undersides too."

Hopefully that's all I'll ever say here, except that, for fucks sake, I didn't "dodge" the grad school question, that was a joke.

Now I believe I have a thread banning coming to me, I have all sorts of stuff I need to get done today.

i think there is criticism of "lol-monkeysex" as if it's only way in which ilx responded to hearing the guy's remarks, when that isn't true; there has been "lol monkeysex, how absurd/retrograde" & then personal, conversational, corrective clarification of what the deal is. it's isolating a single part of the response and saying that our whole discourse is wrong. lol is a reaction to how much of a douche the guy is; discussion about the origins of AIDS a reaction to what he's actually proposing; they're pretty easily split, allowing a cathartic lol instead of an all-encompassing sombre & depressing dismissal. i agree with a lot of Judith's post above too, & think that the general tone & amount of leeway afforded to denialists &c is going to inform policy & attitudes, but i don't think that this thread has been particularly reductive or taken the guy at his terms. i think criticisms of the humour involved are expecting too tidy a response to too large and multifaceted a thing.

also otm:

I mean, if this is in fact a war of ideology, instead of science vs. crazy shit deniers say, then that becomes scary, because in ideological battles no one side can ever claim to be on the absolute and objective correct side of the line as one could more easily assume with science as a foundation.

― dayo, Monday, 30 January 2012 02:02 (9 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

but wait now im confused is monkey sex the only way to contract aids or can you also get it from shaking hands

if you share a toilet seat with a monkey, I think it counts

aids has been used as an ideological weapon
i mean, this is what this guy is doing, right?

well, yes, that is what he's doing in the public sphere. in the ilx sphere, it just looks like he's a total dipshit. think of this less as "getting our discourse in line to confront non-ilxors" and more as "people who have had some stake in the AIDS crisis sounding off around the water cooler". not everyone can really participate in sounding off because it rubs people in the wrong way, but what seems like too much levity is sometimes catharsis, and we all get over shit in our own ways.

I don't put this on the same level of a joke with racial overtones or speaking in less-than-serious tones about rape or other violence. Mocking an ideological dinosaur doesn't help when dinosaurs walk amongst us, but I think in the time we're trying to figure out how to hunt these fuckers down or wait for their extinction we have some free time to mock their t rex-like stubby short arms and walnut brains

wait, did i make a prison rape joke

not everything is about you, frog (not frog)

i hope not! just was trying to see why such a thread exploded

its ok to laugh at cluelessness and monkey sex w/o first referring back to yr experts guide to internet commentating, srsly its ok, give it a shot

As a slightly interested outsider, I came into this thread over the weekend and read it because of the "lol small-minded nutter" opening, but actually found myself being educated from several sides about the medical and cultural history of AIDS and HIV. I can see EDB's point and understand their upset and frustration, but sans the diss I'd not have learnt anythign at all, and I suspect that this conversation has done more to get people to consider the issue's scope than it has to reinforce the initial douchebag's worldview.

fwiw this thread has now concerned itself with the Discourse, and not base lolz, so mission accomplished, chapeau.

this was a little jerky and dismissive, but tbh I actually think the "derail" has been beneficial!

heheh

http://www.nashvillescene.com/pitw/archives/2012/01/30/stacey-campfield-denied-service-at-knoxville-restaurant#readerComments

oops
http://www.nashvillescene.com/pitw/archives/2012/01/30/stacey-campfield-denied-service-at-knoxville-restaurant

"I'm busy making soup. I've got to run," Boggs said.

haha awesome

a+

omg i just heard about this

grimly fiendish, where/who are you?

apparently the bistro at the bijou has been jammed to capacity since this went down yesterday

chalkboard at the front says "today's specials: a, b, c, etc - and no stacey campfield"

something similar happened w/ a state senator in madison IIRC

come for the food, stay for the right-wing politician getting tossed on his ass

;_;

http://lastcar.blogspot.com/

Unfortunately some people do not let facts get in the way of their prejudice.

kind of lol, but mostly sad...

i mean ffs he didn't even get the profession of Patient Zero right! (and that was the smallest of the details he got wrong!)

I commented, but guarantee he doesn't post it.

kills me that if you take him at his word and google "lifespan homosexual", you get one flawed bullshit report and the only people that host it are sites like Catholictoday and reformed homosexual/anti-homosexual websites. yet half the people that read this asshole's shit won't even bother cuz they'll assume he did his due diligence.

that is awful. what is Catholictoday? is it a mainstream Catholic magazine?

from what i saw just some BS religious website or some shit.

yeah, he didn't post any of my comments. cuz he's a chicken shit. I hope he dies horribly.

(sorry, sense of humor is impaired atm)

lol he posted mine:

see, it would have been different if she had kicked you out for being red-haired or having a girl's name

this guy is on some next-level real-life troll ish

http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/kitchen/bjcuis/gr-1-close.jpg

ha

Stace is going to be Newt's campaign co-chair in TN!

http://www.memphisflyer.com/MemphisGaydar/archives/2012/01/31/stacey-campfield-chosen-as-newts-tn-campaign-co-chair

omg

well, Newt did tell a gay man that his recommendation was to vote for Obama if you're gay

ok this guy is a menace:

http://www.metroweekly.com/news/last_word/2012/02/sen-stacey-campfield-insurance-companies-charge-ho.html

God, if AIDS is what happens when we screw monkeys - ostensibly a pretty close relative I mean how different are they from us really - I shudder to think of what will come from this new dolphin trend.

have you heard about armadillos carrying leprosy?

I heard they try to, but they never manage to carry it all the way across the road.

lol

I don't ever wish for people to die, but I wouldn't cry much if Stacey was squashed in multiple pieces on I-95