Art revolts

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So why does a culture create art .

― anthony, Friday, 10 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

ah, but anthony, doesn't art create culture?

― Geoff, Friday, 10 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Art records the revolts happening elsewhere. Sometime at teh same time (ie David or de Sade)

― anthony, Friday, 10 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

New Art Riot!

― Sterling Clover, Friday, 10 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Isn't it a give and take situation? Art is about conflict within a person who then shows it to the world. Because you throw it in the world, it gets chewed up by culture. Then comes part of it.
I think I'll enroll in an art history course. First need some plastic surgery so I fit Nick Dastoor's rule of art historians being pretty girls.

― nathalie (nathalie), Saturday, 11 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Perceptive point Nathalie. Bit of a snake and his tail. According to sean i am girly and i am not pretty.

― anthony, Saturday, 11 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

This is one of the reasons I never thought Koons made art: it does not shock. No revolt present. Only kitschness. Of course the desire to rip you off as well. It oozes from his slick art works.

― nathalie (nathalie), Saturday, 11 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

But it does shock. Esp. in his reclaming of forms. His sex stuff or the giant topiary dog. Or the "Brancusci Weiner Dog". Aside from making us consdier bourgoise taste and art as commerce. The concept of craft. etc etc. Plus i am not sure shock or displacement is the only revoutionary emotion.

― anthony, Saturday, 11 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Jeff always seemed so... fake to me. Like his ex, La Ciccolina. But then who am I to say? Maybe I just don't relate to it like others do. Maybe the viewer's background matters.

Yes, I agree, you can quietly subvert culture. Shock is just a radical form of subversion, no?

― nathalie (nathalie), Saturday, 11 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The whole point was Jeff was fake. Sex was fake, aRt was fake , craft was fake. We live under the twin signs of Pop and Commerce. Both artifical.

― anthony, Saturday, 11 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What if you discover an artist, say Koons, admits he was only in it for the money. Would it change the way you perceive his work? Would you still consider it art? (Just asking.)

― nathalie (nathalie), Saturday, 11 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Warhol said exactly that. I think it would matter what they did. I assumed Warhol was a whore, added an ironic wrinke. Koons was a commidty Trader, he has not really switched jobs . But i hate Batemen because i consider him a whore. Tough question.

― anthony, Saturday, 11 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

serious answer: to tell us the things science can't (or we refuse to hear) and we no longer trust to god. Which is, either to walk circles around that which we can't yet name, or to mystify that which we are afraid to name.

― Sterling Clover, Saturday, 11 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hey, Koons, Warhol and Bateman are also getting discussed across on my CASH PRIZES!!! thread on ILM as we speak. This IL* thing is getting too sprawling, it's as big as Tokyo these days!

http://www.ilxor.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0062AW

― Momus, Saturday, 11 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The purpose of art is to enable criticism.

― Tom, Saturday, 11 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The purpose of Tokyo is to enable [head thuds on keyboard]

― mark s, Saturday, 11 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

But does your critique follow your dislike/like or does it precede it? Do you consciously decide: this is mediocre. I love changing my views. Stubbornly holding on to your view is ridiculous. I now like Koons.

― nathalie (nathalie), Saturday, 11 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

'Art' = yet another veil of mystification people need to convince themselves that life isn't as pointless as it it. Why not cut out the middleman, and go straight to the hard drugs?

― dave q, Saturday, 11 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Tokyo? I like to pretend ILE is amerika-mura. Screaming teens having way too much fun. I once nearly fainted in a recordstore. The lights, the music coming from all the boxes. Momus playing in one corner. Guitar Wolf in another corner. Then I ran outside and the shopkeepers try to sell me clothes which I couldn't even wear if I was an anorexic baby.

Art can be found in the backstreets of Shibuya. You look in the wrong places. Get lost and there it is.

― nathalie (nathalie), Saturday, 11 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

ciccolina was cool

― Geoff, Saturday, 11 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Art means nothing to scientists but cultural behavior. Its all relative to who's doing the judging of what's the Art and whats the trash. Our American society seems to be turning into a completely ammoral salad where anything eventually goes, and thus our "art" follows suit. NO more "fine Art" and "coarse art" ...its all= now. SOmetimes artists try to lead cultural trends and be the Shaman of the tribe. But culture doesnt need art. Nor does art need culture.The individual is more inportant today and the individual must find their place outside of culture if they are to fin d themselves. Individuals create art, culture creates movements. The world is increasingly fragmented and splintered, I doubt there will ever be another movement like cubism or abstract expresionism, unless artists feel a sudden need for a gang-mentality.

― Mike Hanley, Saturday, 11 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Art is the desert which you can find at the end of that twelf course meal. You can choose to eat it or not. If you do, it might ruin the rest of your evening. Give you nightmares of Koons fucking Ciccolina like a pink puppy.

― nathalie, Saturday, 11 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Unless youre a bestality enthusiast in which case it would make you horny.

― turner, Saturday, 11 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Bestiality is art, but its bad for animals.

― The Toffee Focker, Saturday, 11 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

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