Hurray! The new Houellebecq is translated!

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Tag line from Arts and Criticism Daily website: "Michel Houellebecq: is he a fearless Sade or CŽline for an age of dial-up porn, designer fetishism, and packaged sex tours?"

http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/books/reviews/story.jsp?story=328249

Any nice Brits who would like to do a book exchange? This is so confusing though: 1st book is translated British English, 2nd is American English and now the return to BE. What gives?

Mary (Mary), Monday, 9 September 2002 02:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Paper-thin characters and rote observation work no matter what the argot!

James Blount, Monday, 9 September 2002 03:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Hmm--I agree with you that the characters are "paper-thin" but I think that can tend to happen with a "novel of ideas" which I do think H. is a practioner of, so I find the observation very prescient actually.

Of course, in the spirit of your post it doesn't matter whether BE or AE to translate H. with, it's just a little disorienting for me to read the first book in BE: for me lots of the Britishisms drew me out of the book a bit and made me realize that I was reading a translation, while the next book in AE was more sympatico for me (the style) because I wasn't constantly being reminded that this was a translation--which of course it was.

I am sort of curious about why he or they decided to go with one then the other and then back to the original.

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Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 10 September 2002 03:01 (twenty-three years ago)

I actually like (not love) him, I'm just not very impressed with his ideas. Celine > Houellebecq > de Sade.

James Blount, Tuesday, 10 September 2002 04:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Did you get confused with your signage? Perhaps you meant: de Sade > Houellebecq > Celine

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 10 September 2002 04:13 (twenty-three years ago)

He is a PERVERT and Atomised was the worst novel I've read in YEARS. Ugh! Feh! Feh! I don't care if it's "50% sex, 50% depression" (thanks, Brett) it's still the most misogynistic tripe I've read in ages. Ugh!

kate, Tuesday, 10 September 2002 15:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Hurrah - Kate's back and she's mad as hell.

I don't know what I think about Atomised anymore, other than that the characterisation is rub, as others have said.

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 10 September 2002 15:11 (twenty-three years ago)

If you were let down by Atomised, perhaps the Elementary Particles would be more to your liking...

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 10 September 2002 15:53 (twenty-three years ago)

That's the same book. I don't get it.

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 10 September 2002 15:54 (twenty-three years ago)

whatever

gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 10 September 2002 15:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh right: the UK/US thing is tripping me up again. So actually this works better, if you don't like Atomised, Whatever is actually a much more charming work.

Then get thee to the bookstore oh lucky children of Anglia for Platform--sure to resolve any doubts as to H's merits...

Does no one read Houellebecq's poetry? Why doesn't some nice bilingualist translate for us?

Does no one want to fight about BE vs. AE? When I was in Japan my fellow teachers of British origin were quite upset to see that the students' textbooks were in AE--shockah!

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 10 September 2002 16:33 (twenty-three years ago)

seven months pass...

you all must read "oryx & crane", the new margaret atwood book. it treats similar themes to "atomised" from a slightly different perspective. oh yeah, and it stomps all over it stylistically and intellectually, too.

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 8 May 2003 21:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Can anyone with a copy of Atomised to hand remind me what he is he says (towards the end I think) about British people and their crippling sense of irony?

N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:31 (twenty-two years ago)


he sez:

" When Michel finished he was silent for a while, then lit and stubbed out another cigarette and said: 'I'm not Irish myself. I was born in Cambridge. I'm still very English, they tell me. People often say that the English are very cold fish, very reserved, that they have a way of looking at things - even tragedy - with a sense of irony. There's some truth in it; it's pretty stupid of them, though. Humour doesn't save you, it doesn't really do anything at all. You can look at life ironically for years, maybe decades, there are people who seem to go through most of their lives seeing the funny side, but in the end, life always breaks your heart. Doesn't matter how brave you are, or how reserved, or how much you've developed a sense of humor, you still end up with your heart broken. That's when you stop laughing. In the end there's just the cold, the silence and the loneliness. In the end there's only death.'"

We're deep into Ayn Rand territory here. For the last hundred pages or so I was having trouble differentiating between narrator and dialogue.

vahid (vahid), Friday, 9 May 2003 03:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks, vahid.

"You can look at life ironically for years, maybe decades, there are people who seem to go through most of their lives seeing the funny side, but in the end, life always breaks your heart."

I do like that. Though Houellebecq is an asshat, obv.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 9 May 2003 09:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't pick up the similarities between Atomised and Oryx and Crake... have I just forgotten the thrust of Atomised after getting depressed by the 'Westerners deserve a life of pleasure and it's the duty of the Far East to provide it for them; anyone [Muslims] who objects is a psychopathic killjoy' message of Platform?

Archel (Archel), Friday, 9 May 2003 09:31 (twenty-two years ago)


well, i was referring to what in the us is called "the elementary particles", i had assumed that the uk title was "Atomised" so i used that title.

the similarities basically revolve around: 1) detailed exploration of the ramifications of human sex drive, 2) politics of genetic engineering, 3) applied to immortality, 4) the two main characters are worldly sex addict/otherworldly scientist.

vahid (vahid), Saturday, 10 May 2003 00:15 (twenty-two years ago)

twelve years pass...

This bit was a paragraph I enjoyed from Submission:

We feel nostalgia for a place simply because we've lived there, whether we lived well or badly scarcely matters. The past is always beautiful. So, for that matter, is the future. Only the the present hurts, and we carry it around like an abscess of suffering, our companion between two infinities of happiness and peace.

xelab, Friday, 18 September 2015 21:09 (ten years ago)

well not technically a paragraph..

xelab, Friday, 18 September 2015 21:11 (ten years ago)


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