Are you obliged to hurry when there's a queue behind you?

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This evening I got to Charing Cross 4 minutes before my train was meant to leave, and my mobile is fucked so I needed to use the pay phone to call my dad to say I was getting the train home, so I only needed to use it for 4 seconds, but both were occupied and there was another guy waiting. The two people appeared to be having proper conversations, and I somehow found this rude. I also thought about asking the guy whether I could go before him, but figured I was in London so I'd doubtless get knifed.

So also:
Do you get mad at people ahead of you TAKING TOO LONG GRRRR?
Have you tried to jump the queue with an excuse?
Do you believe other people's excuses? Did they abuse your trust?

Graham (graham), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 23:48 (twenty-three years ago)

I tend to have no patience, at all, ever... so I end up bouncing around my keys & fidgeting, which makes a racket, and usually gets the point across to the slowpoke in front of me. ; )

lyra (lyra), Thursday, 12 September 2002 02:01 (twenty-three years ago)

I *TRY* go practice good queue karma, but I get SO IMPATIENT. Why do people take so bloody long to do the most mundane of things? How long does it take to buy a bloody tube ticket? And you fuckers in Sainsburys doing your weekly shop, and you can SEE that I'm standing here with a box of Allways and a bar of chocolate, can't you SEE that I NEED to go ahead of you?

If I've got tons and one person has one item, I almost always let them go ahead of me.

But in train ticket queues, no way in hell. If someone is in a SUPER URGENT RUSH it invariably means that they will ask 40,000 questions and hold up the entire line, so they can WAIT THEIR FUCKING TURN.

Yes, I get worked up about this, it annoys me. I hate queueing.

kate, Thursday, 12 September 2002 08:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Parisians have NO concept of queuing politely. It is a very individualistic society and everyone thinks that they are much more important than all the other lowly peons around. It happens very very often that in the unlikely event that there is a line, someone will just sashay to the front, ignoring everyone else because their need is much more urgent than everyone else's. It's beginning to make me very hostile. I've taken to glaring and pointing out the existence of the line in a not very nice way. Usually, they seem surprised that anyone one would challenge their "droit de roi". I elbowed someone in the ribs when she pushed me out of her way getting on the metro & boy, did it ever feel great!

Miss Laura, Thursday, 12 September 2002 08:42 (twenty-three years ago)

they have paid for their conversations = they can talk as long as they want.

chris (chris), Thursday, 12 September 2002 08:51 (twenty-three years ago)

In Croatia last year I was told that 'we don't queue in this country', which as a Brit was naturally anathema to me. I didn't actually believe that a society could function without SOME sort of queueing protocol. Until I caught a bus. It really was every man, woman or small child on crutches for him or herself, and made me appreciate the daft old British obsession with queueing.

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 12 September 2002 09:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Archel, that sounds like Brixton.

chris (chris), Thursday, 12 September 2002 09:12 (twenty-three years ago)

No one queues for the bus anymore.

I think if someone is using the phone, then that's just too bad. Look for another phone or think "oh well".

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 12 September 2002 09:14 (twenty-three years ago)

The phone thing does really annoy me but there's nothing you can do about it. I've had to wait ages to make an urgent call, yes - I've also in pre-mobile days spent ages on the phone myself, karma will out. If mobiles had never been invented I'd suggest that in places with 3 or more phones one of them should be an express phone which automatically cuts out after 5 mins talktime. But they have been invented so tough.

Ticket queues in stations can be MENTAL though especially if there's not a dedicated complaints/info desk. You always end up behind some fucker who's been overcharged 20p for his travelcard and is giving the poor bloke behind the counter grief for half an hour about it. With automatic ticket machines I have on several occasions thought oh for fucks sake and asked if the people need help using it. I have not as yet been knifed.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 12 September 2002 09:28 (twenty-three years ago)

It's always over tiny amounts too. "Excuse me, this coupon says 5p off." "That offer expired yesterday." "Well, couldn't you make an exception just this once, I drove 20 miles to get here." What are these idiots like at home?

dave q, Thursday, 12 September 2002 10:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Also, people who complain about food in establishments where it's a given that the food is going to be terrible anyway should be dipped in a bucket of hot fat. I think anybody who raises even the slightest objection ("Hey, there's mustard on my Big Mac!") just likes complaining for the sake of attention.

dave q, Thursday, 12 September 2002 10:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Plus I hate people who act self-righteous when informed of queuing, like this Australian idiot I saw in Sainsbury's yesterday. "So much aygro!" he tutted in that fucking retarded accent they all have

dave q, Thursday, 12 September 2002 10:04 (twenty-three years ago)

I think anybody who raises even the slightest objection just likes complaining for the sake of attention.

Dave Q we'll make a Britisher of you yet!

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 12 September 2002 10:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Oi you, the way we speak is normal! It's all you Brits, Yanks, NZers etc. that have the retarded accents. Why can't you learn to talk properly??

toraneko (toraneko), Thursday, 12 September 2002 10:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Dave q is Canadian.

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 12 September 2002 10:10 (twenty-three years ago)

On the queue issue though, when you live in a house with other people and there is only one phone and more than one person wants to use it then usually people take turns, do not speak for longer than they really need to and they are generally considerate. Well, unless they are trying to piss each other off anyway. The same sort of consideration should be shown with public phone, I believe.

I used to live somewhere without a phone and there was a block of housing department flats nearby where there were many people without phones. There was one phonebox nearby.

One night I went to the phonebox and there was a guy in there talking and two others waiting to use it. The guy on the phone was just chatting, not even having proper conversations. It sounded as if there were a few other people at the other end and there was a lot of "what did she say", "no come one, tell me", "ha ha", "what's going on" blah blah blah shite going on. Basically your normal, teenage, spend the whole night on the phone kind of stuff.

After about 15 minutes the other two got sick of waiting and both left. Another guy turned up, eventually got sick of waiting and left too. I had attracted the attention of they guy on the phone a couple of times during this time to let him know that I was waiting and he kind of scowled and ignored me. After almost 45 minutes and after tapping him on the shoulder again and asking him to hurry up (and I think I offered him 30c so he could call them back later) I finally just hung up on him.

He told me I was a bitch and hung around and then hung up on me as soon as my call was answered and then ran away. I was only talking to the operator asking her to connect me to someone anyway, so it didn't cost me anything and I just called again.

I still can't believe how inconsiderate and rude he was. He probably thinks the same thing about me. Difference is I'm right.

toraneko (toraneko), Thursday, 12 September 2002 10:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Canadians, Yanks, same diff.

toraneko (toraneko), Thursday, 12 September 2002 10:19 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't get fussed. I don't rush. I get there when I get there. I would get on without a ticket for the last train and see what happens. You ain't going to get a penalty fare if you act pissed and lary and if you do - well its still cheaper than a cab.

Pete (Pete), Thursday, 12 September 2002 10:35 (twenty-three years ago)

when mark s was middle-sized and first arrived in london, he noticed that queueing for buses was quite strictly observed as a cultural ritual in the west, but not the south or the east (and CERTAINLY not the middle)

"to the north i go not"

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 12 September 2002 11:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Lines don't normally bother me much, except in places like supermarkets where stupid self-obsessed beotches bring 45 items to the "12 items or less" aisle. Or bring out the sale paper and try to get the place to match the prices of the supermarket down the road, or just argue about the price of things being too high to begin with (hey, you can read -- why did you put the item in your cart if you thought it was too high, you stupid cow?). Or then have the clerk take some of the stuff off of their bill because they decide "I don't want it anymore". And these are always the same stupid cud-chewing heifers that then proceed to take 20 minutes writing a check. I hate grocery shopping.

Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 12 September 2002 11:12 (twenty-three years ago)

The concept of the bus queue seems to have disappeared with the advent of the shelter; it seems to act as a dispersant to those waiting - everyone just mills about.

I was told off for failing to observe queueing protocol waiting for a 53 in Woolwich recently; b-but I was checking the timetable!

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 12 September 2002 11:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Bus queueing is only important if the buses are full - then a strict heirachy usually sets in. cf Tube Strike days.

Pete (Pete), Thursday, 12 September 2002 11:28 (twenty-three years ago)

On tube strike days it's every Londoner for him/herself, you must arm yourself with an umbrella / sharp heels / feign pregnancy in order to even have a hope of getting on.

Emma, Thursday, 12 September 2002 11:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Bus queue = nasty when there are 40 people waiting and the bus can only fit 10 of them.

toraneko (toraneko), Thursday, 12 September 2002 11:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Don't they normally just pile you in completely oblivious to the game of old people Twister going on behind them?

Graham (graham), Thursday, 12 September 2002 11:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Try buying a train ticket in India. Or don't - go to a travel agent and get him to do it for a small commission. The stations are scary especially as the ticketing system is utterly Byzantine. Actually the airport was just as bad. And there was I thinking that a 3 hour check in was excessive.

In New York a few years ago I noticed everyone seemed very polite about queuing, except for the bus to the airport where surly Europeans were milling about - until the bus arrived whereupon there was scuffles galore.

tigerclawskank, Thursday, 12 September 2002 13:33 (twenty-three years ago)

in London, it's often best to observe that a bus will often overshoot the bus stop, and being at the back of the shelter is a strategically wise place to stand. As with the tube, walking to the end of the platform is best, coz the last and first carriages are often not as full (this does depend on exits and entrances at prior stations).

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 12 September 2002 13:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Ooh, I've just remembered the night I needed to find a payphone in Oxford to discuss something semi-urgent, and it was absolutely pissing it down, and the nearest phonebox contained a guy who wasn't using the payphone but was standing in there for shelter while he talked on his mobile, and there were plenty of doorways around and the like. So I walked round Oxford getting completely soaked and all the phoneboxes I could think of were in use and I got back to the first one half an hour later and he was still in there nattering on his mobile and laughing (just looked like a gossip session) and generally not taking any notice of me trying to look like a long and very pissed-off-and-on queue outside. I still didn't say anything. I spent the next week in my room sneezing and feeling too ill to eat anything except satsumas in some kind of bizarre vitamin C obsession thing. GRRRRRR.

Er, I just wanted an excuse to rant. Sorry. I don't normally mind people ahead of me taking too long, but I do get annoyed if a queue's forming in a shop or whatever and the person at the front is just gossiping with the staff. However when I'm at the front I get neurotic about taking too long and end up faffing even more than I would otherwise, eg over packing bags and pocketing change and the like.

Paris Metro gave me panic attacks, and that was when I was accompanied by someone who knew the language (yeah, so I spent seven years learning French, and a complete waste it was too) and the layout and so on, I'd rather not think about the horror of trying to navigate it alone. Shudder.

Rebecca (reb), Thursday, 12 September 2002 19:18 (twenty-three years ago)

I am not an impatient line stander, therfore, when I get to the front of the line I take my time to do what it is I was standing in line to do. I only get annoyed when people blatently cut into the line.

I went to the Crouch End cash point on Saturday morning and there was a guy using the machine and a lady waiting behind him in line. So Alasdair and I got in line behind her, and then when the guy was done, another lady came and got in the line behind us. So there are about 3 people in this line and a guy walks by, looks at the line, and exclaims, "For Fuck Sake!" and goes into the bank directly. Meanwhile the lady at the cash point is making impatient "tsk" noises with the machine. I'm standing there thinking, it's Saturday morning - 10:00 - people have got to learn to relax a little. Did that time you saved by hurrying not just get negated as you walked away from the ATM - forgetting to take the money that you had just requested. This is the problem with cities.

I''m only impatient with traffic when I'm in a bus! And also when I'm waiting for a bus to arrive. Maybe also with slow walking pedestrians on Oxford street etc.

marianna, Thursday, 12 September 2002 19:39 (twenty-three years ago)

>How long does it take to buy a bloody tube ticket?

It takes me roughly fifty seconds.

It seems to take everyone else about seventeen fucking minutes.

You are right, Kate. Who can explain this phenomenon?

Venga, Thursday, 12 September 2002 20:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Obligation for me presumes some sort of transfer. What am I getting for hurrying up? Nothing. So no.

david h (david h), Thursday, 12 September 2002 20:12 (twenty-three years ago)

I hate these stupid social obligations that we have. Saying goodbye before I leave my flat, to my flatmates, huh? Why? Fuck off. I hate it.

david q (david h), Thursday, 12 September 2002 20:14 (twenty-three years ago)

People in New Zealand are so polite and sweet. If they see you have only a couple of things to buy, they always insist that you go ahead of them. It's embarrassing sometimes - for instance, when I used to queue to fill my single bottle with water at the Speights Factory (a place you can get fresh water in Dunedin, which has an 'E-grade' supply) I'd always get hussled to the front of the queue and invariably end up dropping my bottle several times, not being able to find the lid, etc, thus taking longer than the people who pushed me ahead of them. I've found that old people are the worst culprits for pushing in front in queues, probably because they're tired. Perhaps people can more easily afford to be 'queue polite' in smaller towns.


Actually, no-one has much to do in Dunedin, so come to think of it, insisting someone go ahead of you is probably the equivalent of having a love affair in London. (Or is it just me?)

maryann, Friday, 13 September 2002 07:19 (twenty-three years ago)

I saw a television comedian who, very amusingly I thought, claimed that she passed her time driving around insisting that other people pull in front of her when it was her right of way. I guess it seemed amusing to me because I can definitely identify with the level of boredom that leads you to do things like that.


Someone tried to insist that I go ahead of them at a ROUNDABOUT yesterday. They were on the roundabout, STOPPED, signalling 'go, go.' That's ridiculous!

maryann, Friday, 13 September 2002 07:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Are there really places where you don't queue for the bus? That's so barbaric! I'd just have to hang out at the back of the queue, pretending that it was an aspect of my mystery. Thus I would rarely have a seat! Surely men allow women to go first, and old people above all? That's how you prove to others that you're not insane - isn't it?


I could talk about this queueing thing for days. This is like a dream come true!


A few months ago I had a supermarket problem where old people would just walk into the queue ahead of me. It was really paining me - did I seem that unthreatening? I imagined their internal monologue as something like, 'stupid little chit. This little wisp of fluff deserves to be at the back.'

maryann, Friday, 13 September 2002 07:31 (twenty-three years ago)

You know how they say that the 'Type A personality' dwells on, and gets riled up, by these problems unnecessarily - this forum is the perfect therapeutic device! There should be threads where aggrieved people can complain about all the minor irritations of life - trains arriving late, shop assistants not 'noticing' you, people who don't hear you right the first time you say something ...

maryann, Friday, 13 September 2002 07:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Re flatmates - 'good fences' etc.

dave q, Friday, 13 September 2002 07:35 (twenty-three years ago)

... dave q ...


Sorry! It's just I didn't know you were a thief!

maryann, Friday, 13 September 2002 08:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Start all those threads Manny!

Graham (graham), Friday, 13 September 2002 08:09 (twenty-three years ago)

i like that "didn't hear you properly" thing: it introduces needed randomness to my life

mark s why on earth did you buy THAT *points*
well, i asked for [whatever] but in quite a weedy and quiet way, and when the assistant handed me that i couldn't think of a reason why i didn't want it etc etc

mark s (mark s), Friday, 13 September 2002 08:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Worst queuing I ever experienced was at the Planetarium in Calcutta. It all seemed very organised, in a neat line, until they opened the doors for the next group, at which everyone charged. This is not exaggeration: young men were knocking children and old people aside to get there first. Unbelievable. When everyone got inside, the place was less than a third full.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 13 September 2002 19:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Queueing to get on an Easyjet flight where there are no seat numbers is amusing, baffling and annoying -- EVERYONE stands up and tries to get on despite them calling it in batches of rows. Do people panic the plane will take off without them? And despite the scrabbling to get the "best" seats there are always empty middle seats near the front, often in the first row.

That does mean you have to sit next to two strangers. The horror!

Queueing to get on a plane is the only form I have patience for. Something that almost made me fall over with exasperation: someone paying for something by cheque but using their debit card as a cheque guarantee card.

Clive (Clive), Friday, 13 September 2002 19:44 (twenty-three years ago)

No queuing for buses? Dear god, no-one has ever gone to Birmingham, have they? Not queuing for the bus... that's a fucking hanging offence. First couple of weeks there I didn't bother, till one time some old feller grabs me arm, pulls me off the bus and yells "Don't you bloody try it!" at me. Which was fun. Specially as how there were seven people queuing for an empty bus...

Another way to identify yourself as a newcomer to Brum involves putting your money in the machine on the bus and waiting for change (hint: you don't get any), and asking if the bus goes to Corporation Street. I did both of these in one go. I was well chuffed with that.

Mr Swygart (mrswygart), Friday, 13 September 2002 19:53 (twenty-three years ago)

if someone gets in front of me I get really MAD, a vein pops up and I kick in the leg and say: 'Take that you fucker!'

Roy Keane (jdesouza), Friday, 13 September 2002 20:01 (twenty-three years ago)

'Fecker', Julio. 'Fecker'. I really hate it when people don't stereotype properly.

Mr Swygart (mrswygart), Friday, 13 September 2002 20:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Wanna FITE Swygart!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 13 September 2002 20:11 (twenty-three years ago)

You see, technically, that sentence should've ended 'yeh little bollix'. You really haven't got the hang of this at all...

Mr Swygart (mrswygart), Friday, 13 September 2002 20:47 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm Irish and I reckon Roy Keane would say "fucker".

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 13 September 2002 20:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Ah, you are therefore unqualified to speak about this, then. This is our stereotype of you. And as such, Roy Keane speaks like a cross between a Roddy Doyle character and Father Jack.

Mr Swygart (mrswygart), Friday, 13 September 2002 20:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Something tells me I'm really going to regret that.

Mr Swygart (mrswygart), Friday, 13 September 2002 20:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Something that almost made me fall over with exasperation: someone paying for something by cheque but using their debit card as a cheque guarantee card.

The reason for this, of course, is that they've no money in their account. Their debit card will be rejected by the mad machines, but a cheque will go through (either to push them into unauthorised overdraft territory, or offset against money due a couple of days later).

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Friday, 13 September 2002 22:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Well yeah, considering Roddy Doyle's books are set in North Dublin. They are pretty accurate though in fairness to the man.

Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 14 September 2002 09:41 (twenty-three years ago)


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