Which of the Indiana Jones sequels is the best?

And then we can stop going back and forth on this endlessly on every other movie thread.

Well when you put the choices like THAT...

... it's STILL "Temple of Doom"

Pretty certain we already settled this

Hmph: Movies That Were Probably Made By a Spasm of Six Year-Olds on Acid: The Top 75 Action Films Poll Results Thread

Too much white noise clouding the debate.

Loved it when Indiana hid inside Chicago Bears legend William Perry.

... it's STILL "Temple of Doom"

― WHEY AHR MAH DREGUNS? (DJP), Tuesday, June 5, 2012 12:56 PM (2 minutes ago)

Oh, and also the poll got it wrong.

if lucas and spielberg can both agree that temple of doom was bad, it's like getting bush to agree that iraq was a bad idea, so it's practically settled law by now.

Including the Phantom Menace entry for kicks.

I lied. I included it because it's not the worst entry among these three.

everyone who isn't totally insane thinks the first is best

mmph.

The 2s almost always have it: Frankenstein, Superman, Star Wars, Alien, Star Trek etc.

I used to think Temple of Doom was awesome. But Willie and Short Round just make me u_u now. that being said, Kali Ma is pretty fkn cool. and the eyeball soup and whatnot

but it's probably Junior.

I never said I wasn't insane, Morbs.

The second is the best and Kate Capeshaw is one of my favorite post-screwball screwballs ("Ohh I broke a nail...").

last crusade 4 lyfe

Apparently the only way I like screwball is it if's accompanied by chilled monkey brains.

Gimme your poll.

Why?

Cuz I'm gonna THROW IT UP IN IT

Apparently the only way I like screwball is it if's accompanied by chilled monkey brains.

A hair away from the out of context thread.

ahhhh

snake SURPRIIIIZE

oh yeah but that snake/elephant trunk was p lol

hmm I remember a lot more funny things from Doom than Crusade

but then again

JOONYAH

I don't remember Sylvester Stallone in Last Crusade

last crusade is hell boring

Whenever the indentikit valkyrie Nazi is on screen I hope the zeppelin falls on her ("See? Gittee as a schoolboy!" argh fuck you DIE).

Love all three (refuse to acknowledge the existence of The Fridge), going Last Crusade because I saw it in the theater and it blew my mind.

Aryan femme fatale was a babe.

seems her name was Alison Doody.

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if lucas and spielberg can both agree that temple of doom was bad, it's like getting bush to agree that iraq was a bad idea, so it's practically settled law by now.

On the other hand, I'm pretty sure they both said The Crystal Skull was "the best Indy movie yet!"

Say what you will about Crystal Skull, there were at least a dozen truly memorable indignities on the franchise I could've used in "The Refrigerator"s place.

The 2s almost always have it: Frankenstein, Superman, Star Wars, Alien, Star Trek etc.

Morbz is OTM here, in general (left out Batman lol)

'I'm pretty sure they both said The Crystal Skull was "the best Indy movie yet!"'
spielberg thought it was so bad, he said the refrigerator was his idea to protect lucas.

I guess Morbs counts The Godfather Part II as a chapter in one movie.

Nah, just that the first is better.

Would not be surprised to find that the hoi polloi don't agree with Morbs on the 2's theory.

The 2s almost always have it: Frankenstein, Superman, Star Wars, Alien, Star Trek etc.

Morbz is OTM here, in general (left out Batman lol)

no, only on rare occasions do sequels clearly surpass their predecessors. agree on frankenstein and star trek, but that's about it.

are you serious?

Superman II, The Empire Strikes Back, Aliens, Bride of -- leagues better than their predecessors.

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superman and superman ii both suck. empire strikes back and star wars are both great. alien is better than aliens.

agree about bride, as i said.

Superman II, Empire, Batman Returns, and the Dark Knight are all better than their predecessors (disagree w Morbz re: Alien)

xp

and Godfather II is better than I

this sort of only applies to non-horror genres tho imho

okay, i'll grant superman ii, but it's not good enough to care about or haggle over, imo

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"Why do you say this to me when you know I will kill you for it?"

i still haven't seen crystal skull. and haven't seen 2 & 3 since i was a kid. voted temple

Batman Returns, and the Dark Knight are all better than their predecessors

these are interesting cases. both of the batman sequels are longer, more ambitious and much more interesting than their predecessors. otoh, they're both a bit shapeless, narratively. i do like them better than what they followed, though they're both messes with GREAT detailing.

oh cool this thread turned into a kevin smith script

do I have to derail this thread with lame Dark Nought jokes

Dork Knight iirc

raiders
crusade

temple

skulls

formatting ate the six pages of a gap i put in before skulls

formatting recognises they're all bad

i think this is the longest i've seen an indie thread go without a defense of temple of doom

i was gonna but look who needs the beasting

In a thousand years even Temple of Doom may be worth something

my favorite of the four

One part that made me laugh on last rewatching Raiders was the map room scene, where this elaborate set of clues has to be followed in order to… point at the central building on the map?

and the nazis were digging in the wrong place because.. the staff they were using was too short. but why was it too short? i must have missed that during the basket carrying caper.

annoying that marian's genius, signposted escape-via-drinking-game plan just totally.. came to nothing

Belloq's staff was too long!

too long? surely that cuts against a few national stereotypes

It's revealed a little later. The two sides of the medallion together give the right staff length, and the Nazis only had one side, the one that was burned into the Gestapo guy's hand.

aaand take back one kadam, to honor the Hebrew god whose ark this is

that scene with the imam is my favorite indy scene ever

Sallah bursting into Gilbert and Sullivan.

xp lol yeah, the take back one kadam guy is really great. We should do a poll of indiana jones characters with 5 lines or less

100% the monkey

snake

I loved Dietrich.

"M'sieu? I am...uncomfortable with this...Jewish ritual."

"LOVE YOU" girl

You can hear a few muffled comments from the class as they're filing out.

"He's just off today, must be all that travel."

"Every time I see him he looks more like [something something]"

LOVE YOU girl rules

... and his reaction! ‘Flustered’ I guess.

... and his reaction! ‘Flustered’ I guess.

... and his reaction! ‘Flustered’ I guess.

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I rewatched last year for the first time in decades and was v impressed with the presentation of the title, had no memory of that.

xpost: weird it got compressed, maybe this works:
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― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, July 13, 2016 5:06 PM (four years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Still can’t figure out what this is showing.

imdb score!

Star Trek: The Motion Picture (the “V-Ger” one) apparently scored so low it couldn’t even fit.

Watched TEMPLE OF DOOM last night for the first time in eons. The kid was ready for it.

It's def a good one. I think now I'd probably rank it as the second-best Indy flick, just due to the sheer pacing of the thing (it's a vv fast two hours), with a classic opening leading cleanly into the main storyline without pausing, and a sense of genuine foreboding leading up to the palace sequence. I think it's a relatively *distant* second to Raiders, but that doesn't mean this isn't classic.

The gore isn't that bad here, you take away the sacrifice sequence and there's no much onscreen grisliness. But the tone and atmosphere makes it feel worse. Even the brief scene of Indy going into the black sleep or w/e has a disturbing feel, not to mention the forced blood drinking/voodoo doll torture/whipping scene immediately preceding it. It's crazy that it's not inconceivable a lot of this might get it an R today, forget a PG-13.

Kate Capshaw, not bad. She can be grating sure, but she frequently just simply looks amazing and she plays well off Harrison Ford. A bit of Melinda Dillon in her appearance I think?

Ke Huy Quan is really terrific here, it's a genuinely really fine performance which is funny but somehow doesn't descend into him being an annoying sidekick. It could have been so easy, but he can be very funny and even moving.

I probably need to rewatch it. I saw it when it was first released and was appalled.

Genuinely not sure it’s worth the effort or credibility hit it takes to defend DOOM anymore … but its still the only Indy I ever have any desire to rewatch, in parts or in full

Eric and omar otm

The second is the best and Kate Capeshaw is one of my favorite post-screwball screwballs ("Ohh I broke a nail...").

― go down on you in a thyatrr (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, June 5, 2012

I'll defend her for playing a cartoon character with totally committed cartoonishness...yet she also imbues a couple lines with unexpected pathos, i.e. explaining how her grandpa was beloved by kids for his magic tricks but died "a very poor man."

Short Round would need to ascend to annoying sidekick

I was told I have a very loud voice after a screening of this in a local beer theater. I shouldn’t have said “oh shit, here come the white people to save them!” so loudly at the end

I always remember Last Crusade getting a lot of (revisionist?) criticism for Last Crusade and what Jeffrey Boam et al did to the characters, but other than making both Brody and Sallah into more comic relief characters(when a lot of their screen time in the first one was to underline the gravitas of the situation), I can’t see it.

Last Crusade is the worst, most bloodless, and most worthless thing Spielberg was ever associated with. Including The Goonies

Last Crusade was terrible, there are two good Indiana Jones films only, the whole "explaining the hat / explaining the snakes" bit was terrible and unnecessary and created a terrible backstory-explaining precedent that was ultimately responsible for midichlorians and Prometheus

Doom revisionism baffling af itt

Last Crusade has plenty of fun set pieces to make the River Phoenix intro and "lol Indy and his dad banged the same Nazi!" forgivable IMO. (It was one of the first four grown-up movies I saw in a theater along with Field of Dreams and Hunt for Red October, my rose-colored glasses for all three will be forever undimmed. Also Star Trek V but I hated it even then.)

Love Temple Of Doom yeah.

Goose-stepping morons such as yourself should try reading books instead of burning them!

the best bit in the first one is how the ark death angels tidy up after themselves, now THAT'S what i call a secret weapon

not a bone in sight! It's like they're the workers who clean up airplanes as the passengers stagger offboard.

no wonder they're so vengeful

I watched Black Rain last night, noticed that Kate Capshaw was in it although not much. I love her in Temple though.

Didn't even know she was Spielbergs wife.

https://i.imgur.com/ebhJLnI.gif

My recollection is her part in Black rain is, based upon her role in Temple of doom, pretty solid subsequent typecasting.

I don't think TOD really steps wrong that much, unless you're not down with its particular "thing", which is understandable. Last crusade is a lot of fun but it's a film afflicted in a lot of key aspects by a lot of the most tedious blockbuster bullshit. For example I don't think turning Brody and Sallah into unserious comic relief characters is a small thing. Their sharpness and incisiveness and sober qualities in the first film really helped sell the whole damn thing. The River Phoenix prologue was pretty bad. The villains are pretty minor league and a lot of it just feels like an effort to overcorrect after TOD.

it's kinda like what was done with the Rise of Skywalker after Last Jedi, though I want to clarify that I think Last Crusade is a good and fun film and not a terrible and stupid one, unlike ROS.