ARRRGH things that should NEVER be made into films

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*sulk*

katie (katie), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 09:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It *might* be OK. I mean, LOTR turned out quite well, didn't it?

RickyT (RickyT), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 09:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh come one - this hgas been on the cards in various versions for fifteen years. Its not going to happen. Trust me....

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 09:03 (twenty-three years ago)

b-b-but LotR didnt ALREADY HAVE the definitive versions of the characters! zaphod = CANNOT BE PLAYED BY JIM CARREY! i will cwy!

katie (katie), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 09:05 (twenty-three years ago)

jim carrey is a great actor.

jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 09:07 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm very skeptical of all these 'Catcher in the Rye' knockoffs clogging up the hipper multiplexes right now. (Donnie Darko excepted).

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 09:10 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah jim carrey is great at being over the top and annoying. i can just SEE what he'll do to Zaphod, he'll totally jim-carreyise him! and hugh laurie is grebt but we already have the definitive arthur dent eg. simon jones!! (it is simon and not peter isn't it, i always get the jonses mixed up) i am a HHGTTG ROCKIST. actually i am not cos if i were i would have got all annoyed that they tinkered with the radio series, but you know what i mean.

katie (katie), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 09:11 (twenty-three years ago)

finally someone i can share my 'igby goes down' hatred with!!

simon trife (simon_tr), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 09:12 (twenty-three years ago)

what ptee said. THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN. are we all agreed that apart from the "computer" animation, the tv show was rub.

Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 09:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Hey, i heard an ugly rumour that that Johnny Bravo lookalike from Dawsons Creek is gonna be starring in a movie of 'The Rules Of Attraction' [Bret Easton Ellis' best book, and all dissenters will be tickled untill they pee]. For the love of all humanity, please someone say it ain't true!

And then there's the remake of Ring. Hollywood must be given a sharp kick to the backs of the knees.

petra jane (petra jane), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 10:00 (twenty-three years ago)

No, I'm sorry, that is just fucking WRONG.

But then again, they tried to make a film out of Naked Lunch, didn't they?

Kate, Tuesday, 17 September 2002 12:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i can think of at least two things wrong with that title

simon trife (simon_tr), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 12:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Hollywood must be given a sharp kick to the backs of the knees.

Indeed it must. I've been suffering from temper tantrum outrage for months already over imminent remakes of 2 of my favourite films:

'Solaris' - Hey, let's make it a ROMANTIC SCI-FI THRILLAH!
'Manhunter' - Hey, let's replace the tormented monster of Dollarhyde with an altogether more photogenic smoothie, and overshadow Brian Cox's chilling performance by using that villian from 'Overacting Of The Hams'!

I'd like to be pleasantly surprised, but what are the chances?

A warning example that springs to mind: 'The Vanishing' remake.
But all contributions of 'big Hollywood star remakes that were better than (not just LOOKED better than) the originals' gratefully received.......

Ray M (rdmanston), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 12:06 (twenty-three years ago)

didn't ppl say that the Oceans 11 remake was bettah than the original? i've only met one person who's seen the original and it's his favourite film EVAH but the general consensus seems to be that the rat pack version = rub while the remake = grebt.

katie (katie), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 12:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Ah hell, why not?

I've enjoyed the book, the illustrated book, the Infocom text adventure, the BBC TV series, and the radio program. The original book has remained unmitigated for this long - one more thing isn't going to invalidate it. Jay Roach has done some wonderful things (1st Austin Powers movie, Meet the Parents), and also the screenwriter of the fabulous Chicken Run is on board. I think a big budget may even help - the woeful low-budget scruffiness of the TV series was distracting, though slightly amusing. Yes, I have apprehension toward Hollywood treatments, but I don't find the concept itself of a Hitchhiker's Guide movie upsetting.

Re: the Solaris remake. I thought the original was fascinating and gorgeous. Its most striking characteristics, being slow-paced and philosophical, make it the complete opposite of what a successful (i.e. profitable) Hollywood film would be. Therefore, I bet Soderbergh is going to take it in a very different direction. I'm rather curious to see if he can pull it off.

Now I'm no Tolkien-lover, but it somewhat disturbs me to read that they are adding a love triangle sub-plot that isn't in The Two Towers:

http://us.imdb.com/PeopleNews/2002/20020916.html#9

Quote: "We sexed it up a bit."

Oh dear.

Ernest P., Tuesday, 17 September 2002 12:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Why does anyone care if they make a bad adaptation or remake? It's not like they erase the original. And if you're worried it's going to be bad, you don't even have to go and see it.

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 12:42 (twenty-three years ago)

But Nick - see the Gollum thread. Like it or not, and with mass media marketing campaigns, certain images will get fixed. I always hated the look of MArvin in the original TV series but I find it difficult to now imagine him differently.

Insomnia US is better than Insomnia Norway. The Ring should survive translation and if they remove the massive plot hole even improve it. I've heard the Solaris remake is equally slow and ponderous - though I find that hard to believe of Soderbergh. (Mind you I think Tarkovsky's is fascinating, geoergeous but a bit rubbish).

Has anyone seen the original version of Meet The Parents with Emo Phillips in it?

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 12:49 (twenty-three years ago)

This is the music in ads debate again.

That subplot is sort-of implied in the book, anyway.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 12:51 (twenty-three years ago)

point gun at foot - BANG - OOPS another of my own fav films is in fact a remake - Carpenter's version of 'The Thing'!

Haven't seen the original for over 20 years, though IIRC there's a couple of distoibing/impressive moments in that one too.
Maybe remakes of Sci-Fi or heavy FX-dependent films start off on a better footing - then again would you want a remake of Jason & The Argonauts hmmmmmmm......

'The Haunting': orig - dated but scary, remake - looked great but not enough.

Yes Tom here comes that theme again haha

Ray M (rdmanston), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 12:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Because Katie is an unashamed rockist.

Graham (graham), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 12:54 (twenty-three years ago)

The original book has remained unmitigated for this long...
?

zebedee, Tuesday, 17 September 2002 13:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Solaris: what worried me initially was the casting of HeartThrob Clooney - I've since read that it does also have sex scenes in it (I've got this horrible feeling that they're going to 'sex up' and literalise the 'floating' scene in the original - yeah go on slap us in the head with that trowel - and I'll always suspect its part of a SEE GEORGE CLOONEY'S ARSE! angle to get the punters in. I've also read that it ends as him having to choose between LOVE and SAVING THE WORLD - the latter a real shitty addition that isn't in the original atall.
Other worry is that the only other film I've seen by Soderbergh is S,L&VT which I found utterly mundane.

Ray M (rdmanston), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 13:09 (twenty-three years ago)

I am in love with Sex Lies and Videotape.

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 13:13 (twenty-three years ago)

I thought Sex Lies and Videotape was mundane, but I didn't think it was utterly mundane. The Grammy nominated video he made for Yes was utterly mundane.

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 13:17 (twenty-three years ago)

love triangle subplot not just implied in Two Towers, it's the only reason eowyn is in the book at all!! (well, apart from possible psycho-subtextual "girls who do stuff = boys" reading: i think the substitution of arwen for glorfindel in i. is arguably more heretical) (pending actual confrontation w. how much they sexed it up of course!!)

(haha eowyn = played by shannon tweed?)

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 13:21 (twenty-three years ago)

I remember Solaris being v.sexy. There's some woman with large breasts whose white spacesuit gets all see-through at one point. I always thought of it as Russia's answer to Barbarella.

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 13:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Pullman's Darkmatter series could never be made into successful films. I wouldn't be surprised if someone tried tho.

MarkH (MarkH), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 13:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Eowyn = played by Shannon Doherty wd be so much better HOORAY HOORAY!

Sarah (starry), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 13:26 (twenty-three years ago)

The darkmatter series is in development hell at the moment (posibly waiting to see how HP II does).

Meet The Parents 1992: http://us.imdb.com/Title?0104844

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 13:29 (twenty-three years ago)

sauron is i hope played by jaime pressley

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 13:32 (twenty-three years ago)

N. the woman (actress Natalya Bondarchuk) is way beyond sexy she's hauntingly beautiful....but there is one (disturbingly) erotic scene where she's coming back from the dead after drinking liquid oxygen/nitrogen haha
I think it was more commonly seen as Russia's answer to 2001 - though almost certainly not by Tarkovsky!

Any remake of 'Ring Of Bright Water' = otterly mundane

Ray M (rdmanston), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 13:40 (twenty-three years ago)

'Hauntingly beautiful' = Tarkovsky audience's answer to 'v.sexy'

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 13:44 (twenty-three years ago)

I like a bit of biological reductionism as much as the next man but dammit you've gone TOO FAR.

haha Shannon Tweed haha

Ray M (rdmanston), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 14:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Pullman's trilogy is totally filmable but would be better as a TV series than as films.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 14:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Are books with unreliable first-person narrators generally unfilmable?

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 14:30 (twenty-three years ago)

No, you use narrative voiceovers = cinematic code for unreliable storyline

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 14:32 (twenty-three years ago)

"history became legend, and things that should not have been forgotten, became lost"

SOD OFF YOU PONCEY ELF CHICK!

I may not haf got that quotation right but neither do I give a monkey shaped food.

Sarah (starry), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 14:35 (twenty-three years ago)

What if the unreliability comes from the character's lack of knowledge rather than intent?

eg how would you film a book in which (say) someone who doesn't know what an aeroplane is finds an aeroplane and the description in the book means that we-the-reader don't know it's an aeroplane either? (Substitute aeroplane for spaceship and you have a common s-f plot)

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 14:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh yeah Starry I have bad news re the TT trailer - it doesnt work on my machine either so I think I have been sold A PUP. You can have the disc with it on though to try elsewhere.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 14:37 (twenty-three years ago)

DO YOU SEE!! (ring = not forgotten as actual real lord of the rings viz gollum was wearing it)

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 14:39 (twenty-three years ago)

NADGzxx0rs!

Haha but I haf seen the trailer anyway.

But I still want to see it again! When o when will it be in the modern cinematograph house eh?

Sarah (starry), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 14:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Nabakov novels are generally seen as unfilmable due to typically unreliable narrators, importance of wordplay to plot, etc. Kubrick's Lolita comes closest (he has to gloss over many things, explicit subject matter obviously, but also tends to gloss over unreliability of Humbert to negative effect), remake of Lolita sounds like shit (they make Humbert tragic!), Luzhin Defense was boring and lifeless, and there's a German adaptation of Despair from the '70's that I haven't seen but looks interesting.

Nick A., Tuesday, 17 September 2002 15:05 (twenty-three years ago)

they are adding a love triangle sub-plot that isn't in The Two Towers

What Mark said. It's there, it's unrequited which is the whole point, it works in the book and will work fine on-screen.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 15:26 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah what mark and ned said, although they will film it in a wafty way which will make me annoyed.

katie (katie), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 15:28 (twenty-three years ago)

P'raps. But the trailer already showed Eowyn trying to chop Aragorn's head off at one point, so we shall see. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 15:29 (twenty-three years ago)

cor!! a shieldmaiden spurned, eh?

katie (katie), Tuesday, 17 September 2002 15:32 (twenty-three years ago)


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