Shut the fucking fuck up about Don Draper already

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But I have nothing else to talk about.

*Lights cigarette, stares pensively out of window*

"Co-sign."

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we can probably stop talking about that dude too

no.

a couple weeks ago I met a family who had never even heard of Mad Men so no

it used to be you could watch network television, kick a ball in the street

feel like people have m/l shut up abt don draper, or at least were moving in the right direction

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/scocca/2012/06/mad_men_season_5_why_do_obsessive_fans_and_the_new_york_times_mistake_the_show_for_reality_.html

thank you, Hurting 2

If you want to read the work of college-educated people thinking less than rigorously about culture it's hard to beat the New York Times COME TO AMERICA

Don Draper will never die, but will just fade away.

The thing I also don't get about all this is that from the two seasons of Mad Men I sat through, Don Draper comes off as deeply sad and mildly disturbed, so I don't exactly get why he's become shorthand for the all-american manly man.

Feel like Don Draper is the noble elite type that David Brooks fantasizes was ruined by all that awful hippie counter-culture crap.

deeply sad and mildly disturbed, so I don't exactly get why he's become shorthand for the all-american manly man.

uh

I mean he's basically robocop, or is that just the acting

Alex, that would be Roger. Everybody idealizes Draper 'cause they love Hamm.

that is exactly why he's shorthand for the all-american manly man, sheesh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jzk3-5GYvbE

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/scocca/2012/06/mad_men_season_5_why_do_obsessive_fans_and_the_new_york_times_mistake_the_show_for_reality_.html

― max, Friday, July 13, 2012 3:23 PM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i hope people continue to talk about mad men because it annoys this guy

that is exactly why he's shorthand for the all-american manly man, sheesh

^^^

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i feel like i need an apparition of jon hamm's giant head to float around with me and give me advice on being a True American Man (R)(TM). kinda like woody allen's play it again sam, but draper's outdated advice would lead me into hilarious circumstances. it'd end up with me sleeping on the streets, an outcast in our over-feminized world. what a tragedy.

I always thought the Ideal American Man was some kind of hero to his kids, not the guy who gets drunk, drives away from his kids' birthday party and forgets to come back.

i think the issue we're having here is that you're forgetting to be humorously cynical about american ideals

don't forget, you're not a true adult unless you are constantly sardonic

Maybe they're the same guy.

they're deconstructing the Ideal American Man myth, you see. xpost

no, that's all fine, that's at least what the show is going for in its hamfisted (ha) way, but somehow that all gets lost when "Don Draper" just comes to mean some vague idea of an old-fashioned manly man

is this in response to that NYT article about men becoming women or some shit? the only people I've ever met who care about I"M REAL MAN HURRHGHHH are meatheads (and the girls who love them) who need it for their identity... if they ever had an independent thought their faces would melt raider's of the lost ark style.

"I mean he's basically robocop, or is that just the acting"

robocop is awesome. also robocop is coded M2F trans-op opera.

tbf most of these blog douches are either people who had sand kicked in their faces as kids or ex-fratty types who "discovered" a "sense of style"

"omg, I can't be a man by wearing baggy cargo shorts and polos and chilling with my bros all the time! let's read the sartorialist and talk about expensive shaving kits and make tote bags and chat with bros on blogs all the time"

that slate article's really weird he should maybe hang out in different circles

or not read everything the nyt writes about old fashioneds? idk

"omg, I can't be a man by wearing baggy cargo shorts and polos and chilling with my bros all the time! let's read the sartorialist and talk about expensive shaving kits and make tote bags and chat with bros on blogs all the time"

basically anyone who builds their identity on ready-packed goods has some kind-of security issues going on. our culture promotes this kinda behavior with consumerism and all that ("express" your identity with these products and media images!) so it's prob some rabbit hole kinda shit.

these aren't ready-packed goods, these are limited addition artisan goods that some Real Man in workshop made with leather tools, so we're better

in USA 2012 you have to find some way to be better than others. shit seems the same as buying a BMW depending on your chosen media "culturesphere"

wait, some of you don't have beemers yet?

Feel like Don Draper is the noble elite type that David Brooks fantasizes was ruined by all that awful hippie counter-culture crap.

― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, July 13, 2012 3:51 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

YES. Do you remember like 3 days after 9/11 and Brooks wrote an op-ed about dang, humor isn't funny anymore but America can find its inner strength if it looks back to fedoras and guys like nero wolfe's assistant Archie Goodwin?

wow all of a sudden i hate DB all over again