is it really possible that we don't as yet have a thread about DAVID LYNCH'S DUNE?

how does that happen? how does this film happen?

new incomprehensible answers.

I think about this movie a lot; really a very beautiful film and so close to being great. The first 10 minutes or so are fantastic.

Saw this on Bluray recently. I think it's a lovely film, even if it is a poor adaptation of the book.

it is a "haunting" film

Where was it shot?

Churubusco Studios, Mexico City, Distrito Federal, Mexico
(studio)

Estudios Churubusco Azteca, Mexico City, Distrito Federal, Mexico
(studio)

Imperial County, California, USA

Samalayuca, Chihuahua, Mexico

Imperial County - I drove through there last week

http://www.geog.ucsb.edu/~joel/g148_f09/lecture_notes/colo_desert/algodones_dunes03.jpg

Wonder about that parallel universe where this turned out great and was a big box office smash and Lynch was doing big Hollywood stuff for a few more years.

TS: universe where this was a success vs. universe where Jodorowsky version exists vs. universe where Lynch directed The Return of the Jedi.

Love this interview with Lynch from right before the movie came out - he was already working on the script for the sequel!

http://www.davidlynch.de/duneinttrans.html

This was great, when i finally saw it, it was like "What's the fuss all about? This isn't a bad movie at all!" Maybe the boils were too much for people.

love this movie - altho when I saw it as a kid the pacing seemed totally off to me. but there's too much great stuff in it to dismiss it.

Jodo version probably would've been even better.

is it really possible that we don't as yet have a thread about DAVID LYNCH'S DUNE?
how does that happen?

ASK MAUD'DIB (FORMERLY KNOWN AS CAN WE TALK ABOUT DUNE, DEAN?)

The Jodorowsky probably would have only worked with a 300 million dollar budget.

"Maybe the boils were too much for people."
boils are fine; it's baron spitting a big phlegmy ball of spit on vanessa redgrave's face. did he save up for that loogie?

The Jodorowsky probably would have only worked with a 300 million dollar budget.

sounds great to me! Hollywood's spent larger sums on infinitely worse crap

like a scenic drive at 100mph, definitely needed more time or better editing

is the movie or the book closer to the video game?

it's just an unfilmable book in a 2hr time limit, isn't it? Everyone has tried and failed. That's why Jodorowsky's initial plan was a 7hr movie or whatever.

Yeah, Lynch's version was as faithful as a feature-length adaptation of Dune could've possibly been. But still incoherent. But also great to look at.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFTS5-cIHgQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvCeLzC2sNs&feature=relmfu

I am watching an extended version of this tonight, just short of 3 hours. Not sure if it is the David Lynch approved cut or the version that he requested his name taken off. Not arsed tbh because it is still very good.

Watched this a couple times last year - turns out it's great! Love the special attention paid to dogs, Picard brandishing one as he charges into battle. Der Schtingle. The sleeper has awakened!

I adored this as a 12 year old. The inscrutability of the plot made it seem thrillingly mysterious and grown up. Not sure I've really revisited it since.

Minneapolitans Swede this POS movie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIzTat3OD3w

i just saw this for the first time a few weeks back. not as bad as advertised (though what could be that bad?) but yeah not exactly a triumph either. but of course there's that lynchian je ne sais quoi that makes it worthwhile--there's something tactile about the world building in this that's missing in other similar movies (maybe it was all that puss, haha). wish he'd made another movie like this with more freedom.

Has anyone been to a screening of this yet?

http://jodorowskysdune.com/index.html

was about to ask the same thing

There are so many cool ideas and great (expensive) props and costumes and sets in Lynch's film. I always think of the one shot where Kyle Maclachlan shouts at the floor with his ~weirding~ powers and punches a dent in it - it's so sudden and intense and ~weird~ and at that moment you get "yeah, David Lynch is perfect for this material." But what gets left by the wayside is a lot. The most interesting things about the book to me - the long-term eco-planning Gaia hypothesis stuff, and Paul's burden of knowing he's in a messiah plot that can only end in tragedy - are brushed over or just can't come into their own as themes. Kind of into watching it again though.

best part of the movie is where kyle maclachlan says (or rather, thinks out loud, like many of the lines in the movie) "Where are my feelings??"

And a great post here from Ron Miller

http://io9.com/i-made-the-spice-flow-my-work-as-a-concept-artist-on-l-1509730566

Nice read! I'm always charmed by old fashioned positive accounts like that.

Has there ever been a rapper nerdy enough to reference this with "Make it rain like Paul Atreides"? Google says no so just adding it to the internet here. "Make it rain like Muad'Dib" doesn't work as well.

I got the dough, got the flow down pizzat
Make it rain... KWISATZ

nice.

there are so many ridiculous/great moments in lynch's film

Is there any place online to watch that 3 hour fan edit (DUNE SAGA)?

there are so many ridiculous/great moments in lynch's film

^^^

I feel like the film's underrated because it splits the difference between Lynch's sensibility and the source material, which results in some jarring narrative leaps and shifts in tone. These things don't bother me so much when stacked against the film's best moments - the Baron, the opening sequence with the emperor, the worms, "fear is the mindkiller", the creepy sister etc.

http://i60.tinypic.com/ad2m2c.png

the moments don't really add up to any sort of narrative whole, it's more like stuff just happening left and right

and a pug

That photo is amazing.

https://twitter.com/Kyle_MacLachlan/status/765390472604971009

pretty accurate iirc

Lol

now I need an emoji of kenneth mcmillan's face from this.

hahahaha

shaddam iv: "bring in the floating fat man -- the duke!"
not quite sure why this^^^ description needed qualifying, but i guess it does suggest quite what dopes the padishah emperor has surrounded himself by

SO MUCH exposition and inner whispered monologue

this film reminds me more of STINGRAY than i quite expected (also TREMORS and THE KEEP but that is less surprising obviously)

i need to rewatch this. i saw it once, 25 or 30 years ago, and never since. has it aged well in any kind of weird way? and the lynch version is still preferred over the extended cut?

Lynch version is definitely better. Is there any good quality DVD or blu-ray release of this? The copy I have is letterboxed into oblivion.

True, it's simply a classic film that should be studied and used as the basis for an exciting new era of Lynchian sci-fi blockbusters.

I suddenly have the feeling I have lived too long.

to be clear, i hate the movie but i would absolutely read about the making of it

"Ridley's out. Who else we got?"

there are some amazing, memorable bits from it

I don’t think the producers gave Lynch the support he needed, having not tackled anything of that scale, and it shows. but the visuals, casting, and scenes that work are cool

And just an update that the oral history is now out and my copy arrived today, looks amazing. Direct order link:

https://www.1984publishing.com/bookstore/a-masterpiece-in-disarray-david-lynchs-dune-an-oral-history

!

https://www.wired.com/story/david-lynch-dune-sequel-script-unearthed/

"bring in the floating fat man -- the duke! "

Yes yes but this story I've linked.

Coming back to theaters!

https://www.fathomevents.com/events/dune-40th-anniversary/

Enjoy Sting's jockstrap in full!

New sales guy at my office is named Feyd-Rautha Rabinowitz, so I know what you mean

― mick signals, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 02:55 (five years ago) link

i am wondering how feyd-rautha rabinowitz is currently doing

oh, i see, that post was a jape following a post about the shadout mapes

"Japin' With The Mapes"

just a little shadout to all my mapes in tha house

Did not know this!

Frank Herbert was literally there in 1984 https://t.co/01okcAKwdP pic.twitter.com/7bweOzzoxH

— Motion Picture Potion Mixer (@mopipomixer) March 17, 2024

the servant waits while the shadout mapes

Did I write a piece for the latest issue of The Wire? I did:

https://www.thewire.co.uk/issues/486

Did I discuss Dune? Indeed I did.

Did I become likely the first person in the history of the magazine to seriously discuss the work of Toto as a result? Probably!

So for Mother's Day I took my mother the Bene Gesserit to see this. I'm not sure what sort of pregaming is necessary to make this...thing...work, and I wasn't prepared. I will say that the palaces are stunning--Senso as space opera, befitting the multiple De Laurentiises (De Laurentii?) in the opening credits.

"Homophobic" is not the word I would use; "homoerotic" is much more fitting. I don't associate that with Lynch, but I could be wrong.

From the beginning I said that Twin Peaks would have been better as a miniseries, giving the story and characters time and space to develop towards a definite conclusion. I think Lynch's Dune also would have been better in a miniseries format, but Lynch never really did decisive conclusions.

i: someone on BSKY is currently arguing at me that a plot hole untackled by herbert and also by villeneuve (= why did shaddam iv want to end the atreides?) is handily solved by the WEIRDING MODULES
ii: has veg grrl learned to love this movie (which i will hotly defend against all haters but never not mock to stans)?
iii: alien3 is the only good alien movie

My impression from the books and Villeneuve film is that the Atreides were getting too big for their britches and becoming a threat to his supremacy. They were seen as a popular leader that the various houses could rally behind. Of course, having a super-weapon would help with this.

The weirding modules were one of the better original ideas from the film and were the source of the dopest DnB samples

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4PeZ6YsbQ8

Yeah that’s how the books frame it. Still begs the question why he’d put the house into Arrakis as saviours if he was trying to take them down.

Rewatched this last year after the second Villeneuve movie. I didn't exactly "like" it more than previously — it's still just a mess, the narrative is rushed and incoherent, and unlike Villeneuve I get no sense of Lynch engaging with the material beyond a superficial skim. But it does have a lot of striking visuals and some good (or at least compelling) performances. And as a contrast to Villeneuve's somewhat portentous stateliness, it is pleasantly technicolor and bonkers. It'll always feel like vestigial Lynch to me, but vestigial Lynch is still Lynch.

the superweapon would help yes (tho herbert's version is that the unleashed fanaticism of the fremen's love of maud'dib is the actual super-weapon)

either way shaddam doesn't know they have such a weapon until long after it's too late

one of many weaknesses in the book is that landsraad politics is all tell no show: the atreides are being given arrakis (and its spice revenues) as a gift demonstrating great favoura that's also a poisoned chalice, while the harkonnens are being demoted yet at another more intricate level etc etc

(a fun element in many of herbert's books that's often also extremely laboured and boring is where a conversation is afterwards picked apart in "what did he really mean by that" mode -- FH is of course correct that high diplomacy and palace intrigue are full of such stff but he's not exactly lawrence fkn durrell so

many xposts to mark s

i can appreciate the movie as an oddity & i dig some of the visuals, music etc but if we’re talking purely as a Dune adaptation then my answer is still firmly no lol

more glaring plot hole (to me) in every version is that the atreides *absolutely knew* taking control of arrakis was a trap and did essentially nothing to prepare for it other than whispering vague shit about 'desert power'

'oh the emperor ordered them to' well are you a strong voice in the landsraad or would you prefer to put your head in a vice *and* make your former allies hate you for your 'good fortune'

the harkonnens were clearly mismanaging arrakis and running out of time; why not just say no thanks jose ferrer (loved u in the caine mutiny btw!)

and okay, a million deaths are not enough for yueh, but *everything else* went wrong too and now everyone has to milk cats

completely unserious House

it's been a long time since I read the book, but IIRC it wasn't clear that it was a trap in the sense of "Sardaukar gonna kill everybody", right? might have been more of a strategic play that would see the Atreides lose their power over a longer time period.

but leto was basically accepting death from the start by giving his signet ring to paul! like a sucka! there was never any sense of 'we're gonna make this work'

A recurring theme throughout the books is knowing exactly what is going to happen, but having to let it play out because there's no escaping fate.

agreed, but i find it unconvincing

(and uninteresting)

it's called suk medical conditioning bcz it suks

Dune is STar Wars if Luke turned out evil

Star… Worm?

Worms even!

Luke the Hut

counterpoint: Star Wars is Dune if Paul Atreides was inherently “good”

always check in when vg posts in case she's come round on this silly whispering eyebrowed masterpiece

I mean they literally do the sandworm in Star Wars already. Oh but hey anyone else ever notice the pain box is completely lifted for Phantasm? They even roughly quote Dune and say "Fear is the killer" or something like that.

and before you nip at me yes I'm taking about Return of the Jedi.

phantasm is abt what happens to you when you join a fandom

I never understood how Luke was supposed to be the Qwitazch hadderach but in the STar Wars sequels it seemed like everything sucked in the univere, hardly a golden age Luke brought

also princesss irulan v princess leia

xp

but was it better or worse than the cosmic genocide that Paul ushered in?

As mentioned back in 2012, David Lynch was asked by George Lucas to direct Jedi, but perhaps anticipating that he would been supervised to within an inch of his life Lynch turned the job down. Whatever his faults Dino De Laurentiis was at least willing to allow his directors to squander huge amounts on money.

Still, I would pay good money to see Lynch's Jedi. Just as there's a Jodorowsky's Dune. I imagine a film in which Darth Vader graphically crushes Moff Jerjerrod's head into a pulp while Jerjerrod screams in pain and fear, Jabba the Hutt is played by Dean Stockwell with a neat little moustache, and the ending involves the Emperor (Dennis Hopper) trying to force Luke Skywalker to eat creamed corn. Yoda's dying words would be "death bag, catch you he will". Jabba's band would be played by The B-52s. Admiral Ackbar would be a home-made prop composed of animal body parts. The film would single-handedly be responsible for the PG-13 certificate.

"Okay", said Han, "I want you to plant the detonators behind the control console. The control console on the table next to the hyperwave decoder. The hyperwave decoder that is currently decoding a transmission from the fleet. The one beside the power regulator. The one that the Imperials recently moved away from the plotting table. Not the smaller console, the bigger one. The black one. Plant the charges there."

excellent vision. I was recenlty thinking how can anyone take star wars seriously when admiral ackbar exists, our rubbery squid man

I also like to imagine that there exists, somewhere in the cosmic consciousness, Verhoeven's Jedi. It would be an R-rated take on the franchise in which the broad details of the opening scenes are similar, but Princess Leia's gold bikini is considerably smaller, and there's much more lapdancing. The behind-the-scenes featurette would explain in great detail how the puppeteers achieved the scene where Leia bites off Jabba's spaghetti-filled cock. Han would infiltrate the shield bunker by using an Imperial officer as a human shield. There would be periodic inserts of Imperial propaganda films. Darth Vader would be played by Michael Ironside.

Or alternatively there's Cronenberg's Jedi where the entire film is shot in Toronto, doubling as an alien planet, and it turns out that the Emperor isn't real - he's just a series of video recordings - and it all ends with a psychic battle between Luke and Darth in which all the veins on Mark Hammill's face explode and his eyes melt, but he can still see.

Godard's Jedi, where the whole film is stop-motion-animated using actual Star Wars toys, as a critique of commercial film-making. Etc.

My Dinner With Greedo

"You know, Greedo, when I was young all I thought about was art and music. Now I'm 36 and I just think about money."
"Chaski nya wich-yootzoo, Solo. Chaski nya."
"Everybody talks about how they want to leave Mos Eisley. They say they want to go somewhere else. But they never do. They just stick around. Sometimes I wonder if this place is a giant camp, constructed by the inmates, and we are the guards. I want you to give this to Jabba. It's the seed of a gloam tree. From the planet Gloam. It can move around. I want you to take it to Jabba and tell him-"

I got that bit of Greedo's dialogue from this transcription of the cantina scene, posted to Usenet in 1992:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.arts.sf.starwars/c/3QPh3H2RsKY?pli=1

The discussion's final post is strangely melancholic, because they had so much hope back then:

>>What I heard a while back is that Lucas is waiting for computer technology
>>to get to where he wants it before starting on anymore SW trilogies.
>>
>>My hope/guess is he won't need wait that much longer (if T2 is any
>>indication).

Han Solo = Duncan Idaho